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| Bud:
--- Quote from: floobydust on April 27, 2020, 03:01:15 am --- If I'm stopped at a red light, nearby cars or the transit bus passengers beside me- will get proximity logged despite the glass. People living in the same apartment building, living above, next door, below - there's a wall between us but an app would consider the people within a few metres of each other. A cashier at the grocery store sees hundreds of customers, behind PPE. So I see many false proximity events being recorded. --- End quote --- I take the objective of this initiative as a generic statistic based reconnaissance trying to identify hot spot areas. Big numbers do not lie. Proximity or not, if many positives come from an area it is better to look into it what is going on. |
| vodka:
--- Quote from: floobydust on April 27, 2020, 03:01:15 am ---Putting aside my hate and distrust for google, apple, facebook and their monetizing our private data... I'm still skeptical this tracking is bullshit, despite our hopes and wishes and the need for tech to save humanity. An app can't know your distance to another person with any crude accuracy without GPS. If I'm stopped at a red light, nearby cars or the transit bus passengers beside me- will get proximity logged despite the glass. People living in the same apartment building, living above, next door, below - there's a wall between us but an app would consider the people within a few metres of each other. A cashier at the grocery store sees hundreds of customers, behind PPE. So I see many false proximity events being recorded. Coronavirus tests are doing poor for accuracy, 15% false negatives (Abbott ID NOW) and false positives are there too. No test has been approved by the Canadian government, many countries returning contaminated test kits to china. The signal/noise ratio will not be enough to make it helpful. Logistics on undoing a false positive test result, after notifications have been sent out, well- people are screwed because a false +ve can propagate far unless you are known hikikomori. --- End quote --- Neither with gps, now you imagine that pass below of building of 9 plants or subterranean peatonal pass. The gps won't work |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Bud on April 27, 2020, 03:55:15 am --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on April 27, 2020, 02:25:21 am --- --- Quote from: nctnico on April 27, 2020, 01:31:17 am --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on April 27, 2020, 12:28:28 am --- --- Quote from: Bud on April 26, 2020, 10:22:31 pm ---This shit may quickly become weaponized... Say, airlines may deny you boarding the flight if you do not have the app installed. --- End quote --- The free market will ultimately take care of that. But they already know who sat next to who, so no need for that. --- End quote --- At that point it is too late. There is a delay between getting infected and becoming contagious. One of the points of using an app is to get an announcement you have been in touch with an infected person a couple of days ago. --- End quote --- It's called tracing app for a reason. It traces who you have been intact with. In the plane example, they already have mandatory contact tracing, in fact it's already one of the best forms of contact tracing currently available. Adding a tracing app adds little value when it comes to airline travel. --- End quote --- When i wrote that i meant the airline at the boarding gates may consider you a higher risk because since you did not have the app you were not aware of notification that you could met with sick people before. --- End quote --- I knew you'd say that. So why wouldn't other businesses that currently have zero or lesser current tracing ability also reject people? Like movie theaters, concerts/events, gyms etc anywhere that has people congregating in close confines for at least several hours. There is nothing special about airlines here. It would be commercial suicide to even try and they know it. Not going to happen. The whole point is pretty moot anyway when you could have (more easily) picked up something from a surface touching anything on your way in, nothing to do with proximity for a given time at all. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on April 27, 2020, 05:11:43 am ---I knew you'd say that. So why wouldn't other businesses that currently have zero or lesser current tracing ability also reject people? Like movie theaters, concerts/events, gyms etc anywhere that has people congregating in close confines for at least several hours. There is nothing special about airlines here. It would be commercial suicide to even try and they know it. Not going to happen. --- End quote --- There is one thing that is "special" about airlines that doesn't apply to other businesses. When you walk into a movie theater, concert, gym or other venue while infected with a virus, you don't walk out hundreds if not thousands of miles away, potentially in a different country or even continent along with all the people you've infected. Airlines are a special case, without airlines it's unlikely that Covid would have ever escaped from China and the surrounding areas. |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on April 27, 2020, 02:28:45 am --- --- Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 27, 2020, 01:56:03 am --- --- Quote ---And government and businesses are slowly losing the ability to capitalise on people's fear, all this stuff isn't going to last too much longer, people's patience is already starting to wear thin. --- End quote --- Maybe. I mean, you're right that people are getting restless and if it all blew over right now we'd be back to where we were pretty soon. But that assumes it will blow over. Suppose we all start going back to work and it blows up again, like it's doing in Singapore --- End quote --- That's the 2nd time someone here has claimed it's flaring back up in places that have eased lockdowns. Do you have data for that? Because it looks like that's not the case, daily case totals have not increased. --- End quote --- Depends what graph you look at, people were lauding Singapore early on when they kept the local transmission under control and stabilised at 100 cases (see log plot from wikipedia below). https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-25/singapore-hoped-they-contained-coronavirus-but-second-wave-hit/12172446 https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/what-did-singapore-and-hong-kong-do-to-control/12065046 https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/how-singapore-connected-the-dots-on-coronavirus/ |
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