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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: james_s on April 27, 2020, 05:16:31 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on April 27, 2020, 05:11:43 am ---I knew you'd say that.
So why wouldn't other businesses that currently have zero or lesser current tracing ability also reject people? Like movie theaters, concerts/events, gyms etc anywhere that has people congregating in close confines for at least several hours. There is nothing special about airlines here. It would be commercial suicide to even try and they know it. Not going to happen.

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There is one thing that is "special" about airlines that doesn't apply to other businesses. When you walk into a movie theater, concert, gym or other venue while infected with a virus, you don't walk out hundreds if not thousands of miles away, potentially in a different country or even continent along with all the people you've infected. Airlines are a special case, without airlines it's unlikely that Covid would have ever escaped from China and the surrounding areas.

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Of course, but it was a government directive that closed airline travel, not the airlines.
Once the government(s) clear air travel again airlines are going to be doing everything they can to get people back flying. The last thing they are going to do is independently decide to turn away passengers that don't have a tracing app installed, that's madness.
As for the government mandating compulsory use of the app for airline passengers, that's not going to happen either. Doing so would be political suicide, as the people and the airlines would be dead set against it.
It's already been seen here in Australia, our PM hinted that the app could become compulsory, and everyone went instantly "!@#$ that!" and he was forced to back down and make it very clear the app would never be made mandatory.

paulca:

--- Quote from: coppice on April 26, 2020, 08:54:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on April 26, 2020, 07:46:38 pm ---People might want to read up on how it works before actually making that assumption. This is not positional tracking. The governments asked for that and Google and Apple told them to get fucked.

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If the app can't trace a person's activity, and who they were near, isn't it just useless feel good fluff?

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Your phone knows who you have been near by recording IDs it has seen in proximity for longer than a moment or two.  Periodically it downloads a list of "reported infected" hash IDs.  If you have been near any of them it lets YOU know.  That's all.  That's enough.  "The System" online is literally just a list of infected hashes.  Nothing more.  No location, no identify (beyond the BT hash).

It seemed to work pretty well for South Korea who never really did do mass lockdowns.

As long as it's temporary, doesn't ask for out-of-proportion permissions on the phone and it's voluntary I'd install it.

bd139:
I'm not going to install it myself because of "feature creep" and the fact iOS auto updates everything. That's my only worry.

paulca:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on April 27, 2020, 06:11:33 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on April 27, 2020, 05:16:31 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on April 27, 2020, 05:11:43 am ---I knew you'd say that.
So why wouldn't other businesses that currently have zero or lesser current tracing ability also reject people? Like movie theaters, concerts/events, gyms etc anywhere that has people congregating in close confines for at least several hours. There is nothing special about airlines here. It would be commercial suicide to even try and they know it. Not going to happen.

--- End quote ---
There is one thing that is "special" about airlines that doesn't apply to other businesses. When you walk into a movie theater, concert, gym or other venue while infected with a virus, you don't walk out hundreds if not thousands of miles away, potentially in a different country or even continent along with all the people you've infected. Airlines are a special case, without airlines it's unlikely that Covid would have ever escaped from China and the surrounding areas.

--- End quote ---

Of course, but it was a government directive that closed airline travel, not the airlines.
Once the government(s) clear air travel again airlines are going to be doing everything they can to get people back flying. The last thing they are going to do is independently decide to turn away passengers that don't have a tracing app installed, that's madness.
As for the government mandating compulsory use of the app for airline passengers, that's not going to happen either. Doing so would be political suicide, as the people and the airlines would be dead set against it.
It's already been seen here in Australia, our PM hinted that the app could become compulsory, and everyone went instantly "!@#$ that!" and he was forced to back down and make it very clear the app would never be made mandatory.

--- End quote ---

The UK being slimey business-comes-first Tories, did NOT direct airlines to stop flying.  They simply put out advisories to discourage travel.  The borders are still fully open and never closed.  You are free  to fly anywhere you like still, though I believe you will be questioned as to why you believe it's essential.  The reason behind this is that all airlines and tour operators would have had to issue refunded or insurance companies pay out cancellation costs if they made it mandatory.  So my £1400 holiday I was lucky the operator allowed me to reschedule it in October.  But it's still not secure.  In October if it's still not wise to travel the airline could put the onus of cancellation onto me and I lose the whole £1400 as a result.

On "air travel made the pandemic worse".  The effect of international air travel is over stated.  There are many instances of pandemic before air travel.  Air travel is not the cause of it spreading internationally, it just makes it faster.  Getting on a ship that takes 2 weeks to cross the atlantic with 1 infected person, means the ship docks with 100s or of infected.

Muttley Snickers:
I don't know about the other Covid-Virus applications elsewhere but our newly released version of Covidsafe currently has precise location marked as GPS and Network Based in the permissions section. Also Dave posted a link to a youtube video which shows some initial bugs in the Apple version.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=au.gov.health.covidsafe

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