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Re: World's first professional Youtuber quits Youtube
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2019, 01:04:25 pm »
One thing I noticed, and don't know if this is always been this way or not, but if you don't watch every single video from a subscription, it will stop showing the videos on your page after a while.  So if you have youtubers you don't watch all the time (or they don't release videos every couple days) then you can easily miss their videos since they won't show up unless you check their channel. 
Maybe it's time to make an app that "watches" all your subscriptions? Or even check for new videos and automatically download them?
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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2019, 01:13:43 pm »
Maybe it's time to make an app that "watches" all your subscriptions? Or even check for new videos and automatically download them?
Make it a shell script so that it doesn't become too popular among illiterates and get killed like hooktube.
 
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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2019, 01:17:20 pm »
OTOH these small 'independent' persons are often sock puppets spreading FUD or have very weird views of the world.
As opposed to the main stream media which is universally like that?
Which mainstream media? There are many mainstream news sources on the internet. In this day & age you aren't limited to your local newspaper or TV station.
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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2019, 01:30:27 pm »
OTOH these small 'independent' persons are often sock puppets spreading FUD or have very weird views of the world.
As opposed to the main stream media which is universally like that?
Which mainstream media? There are many mainstream news sources on the internet. In this day & age you aren't limited to your local newspaper or TV station.
There are certainly many sources of news these days, but not a single one that the viewer has any reason to trust.
 

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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2019, 02:27:15 pm »
You can't blame YouTube's algorithm for an oversupply of cat videos, but there are serious problems with the algorithm:

'An ecosystem of hate': How YouTube radicalized Brazil
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/youtube-gave-rise-to-a-radical-right-wing-movement-in-brazil

 

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Re: World's first professional Youtuber quits Youtube
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2019, 02:49:01 pm »
The new "algorithm", as I got it, consists (among other unknown things) in favoring more "diversity" in the suggested videos, to "force" users discovering new things (which, ultimately, is supposed to help less known youtubers to get more views, and prevent the very successful youtubers to attract most of the audience). Of course this improved "diversity" is not just to make things better for the world, it's relatively easy to understand how it can make things better for Youtube's business as well.

The side effects obviously are that successful youtubers will see their audience decrease, the less successful ones, their audience slightly increase (obviously not in the same proportion, it's a basic numbers problem), and the users will see suggestions that seem to have nothing to do with what they want to watch.

Not defending Youtube in the least here, but I think no matter what the algorithm is, a fraction of youtubers and users are bound not to like it. It's a very tricky balance.
 

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« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2019, 03:44:22 pm »
I’m a cat lover, and found a semi-random video I picked rather dull. Some light comedy there, but a cat in a video should the star, and doing cat things, or going nuts.
Never heard of him, but I do know of DoDo, which plays on your emotions and pulls your heart strings like a day time soap opera.
 

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Re: World's first professional Youtuber quits Youtube
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2019, 05:18:23 pm »
I knew it had to be some plot against me. That is why my videos never get more than 20 views.
 

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« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2019, 05:25:11 pm »
'An ecosystem of hate': How YouTube radicalized Brazil
Lol, it's not even 4chan anymore, you can get radicalized anywhere :-DD
 

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« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2019, 05:45:46 pm »
OTOH these small 'independent' persons are often sock puppets spreading FUD or have very weird views of the world.
As opposed to the main stream media which is universally like that?
Which mainstream media? There are many mainstream news sources on the internet. In this day & age you aren't limited to your local newspaper or TV station.
There are certainly many sources of news these days, but not a single one that the viewer has any reason to trust.

So.. wait, you don't believe anything from any kind of news source? Granted, there is often bias, intentional or otherwise with any source of information, but we all have to rely on some things being true.  It is never an-all-or-nothing - I'm not suggesting if you trust one source you should trust everything they say, just, a blanket statement like you just made makes no sense.   You clearly trust some sources of information.

I can't help but think that youtubes changes will have some positive effects.  It won't prevent people posting "woo" or conspiracy videos, or worse, fake "life hacks" or fake "food hacks", but hopefully it should stop them rising to the top by pushing them down the list of recommended.  It will still mean those who really do want to watch such videos will watch them, and subscribe, but perhaps stop those who will happily hit subscribe to anything, and occasionally watch one of the videos so the recommendations are kept on the list.  Effectively dampening the echo-chamber by preventing runaway-views-figures making people trust the source more.

I'm not a content creator, and I don't really watch that many YT videos anyway so I really have no idea what effect the changes *will* have.
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Re: World's first professional Youtuber quits Youtube
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2019, 06:30:11 pm »
Did, or does, the chap have a contract with YouTube? Is it not like someone using the pinboard in his local corner shop to post jokes, then finding he could make a few bob from them, and then relying on making enough to live on, and then the shop deciding to site the pinboard round the back? Does the shop have any duty of care towards the bloke that, off his own bat, decided he would make a living piggybacking on the shop?

Maybe, after 14 years, his ego can't take not being so revered, and coupled with having to get a proper job...

'Course, I don't run a Tube channel and I might see things very differently if I did. OTOH, I have been a reasonably large fish in a few small ponds and suffered involuntary downsizing for one reason or another.
 

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« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2019, 07:25:37 pm »
So.. wait, you don't believe anything from any kind of news source? Granted, there is often bias, intentional or otherwise with any source of information, but we all have to rely on some things being true.  It is never an-all-or-nothing - I'm not suggesting if you trust one source you should trust everything they say, just, a blanket statement like you just made makes no sense.   You clearly trust some sources of information.
I don't trust any source of information more that I absolutely have to. I try to see what various sources say, which usually differ greatly, and try to puzzle out what truth might lie behind the BS.
I can't help but think that youtubes changes will have some positive effects.  It won't prevent people posting "woo" or conspiracy videos, or worse, fake "life hacks" or fake "food hacks", but hopefully it should stop them rising to the top by pushing them down the list of recommended.  It will still mean those who really do want to watch such videos will watch them, and subscribe, but perhaps stop those who will happily hit subscribe to anything, and occasionally watch one of the videos so the recommendations are kept on the list.  Effectively dampening the echo-chamber by preventing runaway-views-figures making people trust the source more.
So far the main effects of recent changes seem to be to offer people less material from independent channels, and more material from corporate, advertiser friendly, ones. Whatever biases a place like YouTube may have, their strongest bias will always be to maximise advertising revenue by feeding the public a safe predictable stream of warm diarrhea.
 

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Re: World's first professional Youtuber quits Youtube
« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2019, 08:12:34 pm »
The side effects obviously are that successful youtubers will see their audience decrease, the less successful ones, their audience slightly increase (obviously not in the same proportion, it's a basic numbers problem), and the users will see suggestions that seem to have nothing to do with what they want to watch.

I wonder if this is a ploy by YouTube to make more money in the long run, since many of the lesser known videos/channel users may not have the view counts to give them monetization. Therefore a whole bunch of users with <10,000 views start racking up view counts which eventually gives them the opportunity to monetize, which ultimately increases the amount of advertiser options and encourages more user content. Sure the big channels lose but the overall gain in smaller channels may help YouTube and encourage smaller content producers in the long run feel like they have a better chance to make it. The shake-up doesn't hurt YouTube one bit... as long as they can show ads it doesn't really matter if it is a channel with 100,000 views or 100,000,000 views... as long as users get relevant content.
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Re: World's first professional Youtuber quits Youtube
« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2019, 08:17:34 pm »
Hmm. YouTube are definitely manipulating things. I was just on looking at the eye saving mode on Samsung monitors and being not really on the ball I let the next video autoplay, which turned out to be a Linus Tips thing (not monitor related). And all of a sudden I'm in Linus' channel, wall to wall Linus with nothing else. No wonder he is top dog currently.
 

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« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2019, 09:18:53 pm »
One thing I noticed, and don't know if this is always been this way or not, but if you don't watch every single video from a subscription, it will stop showing the videos on your page after a while.  So if you have youtubers you don't watch all the time (or they don't release videos every couple days) then you can easily miss their videos since they won't show up unless you check their channel. 
Maybe it's time to make an app that "watches" all your subscriptions? Or even check for new videos and automatically download them?

I was thinking something like that actually, could be some kind of social media platform that simply aggregates your existing social media.  It would give users more control.  For example it could work kind of like a FB feed and would grab data from FB, Youtube etc and then display it as you wish while cutting out all the crap.

Guessing something like that would probably be illegal though and get shut down.  Yeah could do it at the personal level but it would be more effective to offer it as a free service.
 

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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2019, 12:00:20 am »
Did, or does, the chap have a contract with YouTube?

That's not how Youtube works.
You sign up to some random T&C that they can change at any time and/or selectively enforce or break on a whim, then you upload your content and take your chances that some mystical algorithm will favor you.
Don't like it? Leave. Good luck trying to sue them for anything. If you are lucky you'll have enough enough public influence to get them to fix something if it goes wrong.

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Maybe, after 14 years, his ego can't take not being so revered, and coupled with having to get a proper job...

He was going along just fine until all his channels died in the arse practical overnight.
 

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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2019, 12:06:48 am »
BTW, I've mentioned this someone else on here I'm sure.
But there has been a massive change in the Recommended videos section in recent times. It used to be great, it gave me a mix of stuff I'm subbed to, related videos to ones I've watched, and the occasional unrelated one so I can find entirely new stuff, I used it daily.
Now it is almost completely useless, constantly displays videos that are years old (half half the suggestions), a third of them I've already seen (it can't even track me any more), and just generally crap related content.
It was a huge change.
I asked about this on Twitter and without exception everyone else reported the same thing happening to them.

Many people say "Just use your subscription tab", but I don't want to do that, I want to new "intelligently" recommended content like I used to get that was valuable.
 

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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2019, 12:26:28 am »
Honestly, as a viewer i do not see any changes in recommended videos. And youtube did not track my viewed videos before and does not do it now, i get videos lined up that i watched already and not even once or twice, youtube keeps throwing them at me.
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« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2019, 01:40:46 am »
And youtube did not track my viewed videos before and does not do it now, i get videos lined up that i watched already and not even once or twice, youtube keeps throwing them at me.

With all the videos available for YT to recommend it sure isn't random chance they show the ones they do. Everything Alphabet does EVERYTHING repeat EVERYTHING is designed with the express purpose of finding out more about you and how to leverage that knowledge to maximise the profit from advertising sales.


That IS their business.

Any ranting that doesn't firmly pivot on that point is missing the point. Spitting at the wind would be as productive.
 

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« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2019, 01:47:12 am »
I want to new "intelligently" recommended content like I used to get that was valuable.

Valuable to you. That's the whole point. I know people, people who are probably more representative of the general population who subscribe to nothing on YT. It is argued on this forum (incorrectly I think) that people here are somehow atypical. If that is indeed the case then it is entirely plausible that YT has designed the algorithm for the greater bulk of their target audience who have no subscription history.
 

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« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2019, 01:59:07 am »
And youtube did not track my viewed videos before and does not do it now, i get videos lined up that i watched already and not even once or twice, youtube keeps throwing them at me.
With all the videos available for YT to recommend it sure isn't random chance they show the ones they do. Everything Alphabet does EVERYTHING repeat EVERYTHING is designed with the express purpose of finding out more about you and how to leverage that knowledge to maximise the profit from advertising sales.
That IS their business.

In addition to furthering "their" political agenda.
Sometime it's hard to know which reason they prefer more.
 

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« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2019, 02:01:04 am »
I want to new "intelligently" recommended content like I used to get that was valuable.

Valuable to you. That's the whole point. I know people, people who are probably more representative of the general population who subscribe to nothing on YT. It is argued on this forum (incorrectly I think) that people here are somehow atypical. If that is indeed the case then it is entirely plausible that YT has designed the algorithm for the greater bulk of their target audience who have no subscription history.

Maybe, but there is absolutely no reason why you can't have two algorithms for both camps.
It was working quite nicely for those who were subscribed and logged in, now it's just total crap.
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« Reply #47 on: August 19, 2019, 02:11:27 am »
I've tracked a continuous decline in the quality of youtube recommended videos for the past 2 years now.  Now a smooth slope, but a step at a time around once every 4 months exactly.

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« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2019, 02:25:11 am »
You sign up to some random T&C that they can change at any time and/or selectively enforce or break on a whim, then you upload your content and take your chances that some mystical algorithm will favor you.
The hype train stops for no one.

I´d say with educational type content you can outperform a sensationalist way to shape the (same) content, simply because it is linkworthy from external sources and usually up to date for far longer periods. The recommendation really only favors certain types of content, length, upload rate and so on, but it´s not as if youtube is responsible for how interesting people will find the video or show it to everyone. The "start page as a kiosk" approach is so highly successful that it became a problem of its own and is adressed as being responsible for lack of success.

You can't blame YouTube's algorithm for an oversupply of cat videos, but there are serious problems with the algorithm:

'An ecosystem of hate': How YouTube radicalized Brazil
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/youtube-gave-rise-to-a-radical-right-wing-movement-in-brazil
I read an article that stated these videos became popular through echo-chamber groups in Whatsapp, as Facebook has a deal with carriers for free traffic.

It used to be a fair playing field, the algorithm was based on views in first few hours, engagement, sharing etc, so the independent person in their basement had a fair chance to succeed. In fact the independent players got vastly more engagement than the big news networks which get hardly any, so they were getting beat big time by someone in their basement.
Of course "they" weren't going to let that go on forever, so the "problem" has now been fixed.
Well, hatespeech and fake news became a widespread problem and governments pressed social media of all sorts to react on it (they brought themselves there by providing a platform that lacks conventional human moderation). I don´t really know why you need new approaches for actually existing law (like libel or incitement to racial or ethnic hatred, where applicable), but i guess they just searched for a way around declaring the impact on the data privacy wasps' nest that will happen when actually enforcing the law and giving the free speech argument a spin.

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I was thinking something like that actually, could be some kind of social media platform that simply aggregates your existing social media.  It would give users more control.  For example it could work kind of like a FB feed and would grab data from FB, Youtube etc and then display it as you wish while cutting out all the crap.

Guessing something like that would probably be illegal though and get shut down.  Yeah could do it at the personal level but it would be more effective to offer it as a free service.
For most, as far as i understand it, twitter does kind of serve this purpose, just post a link to every piece of content you make there and it aggregates.
The problem with this starts when a twitter account is used to talk and discuss, same with hashtags applied in an "unintended" way.

It´s an interesting idea, actually you would just need to collect the RSS feeds of your favorite sources and aggregate them. RSS however became a bit unpopular, because it does suppress advertisement opportunities a full webpage has, so fewer platforms offer it. OTOH you could also just scrape websites conventionally and convert them to an RSS feed, or creators themselves could offer RSS feeds to enable such solutions.
I however don´t see a working business model around it.
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« Reply #49 on: August 19, 2019, 02:32:29 am »
And youtube did not track my viewed videos before and does not do it now, i get videos lined up that i watched already and not even once or twice, youtube keeps throwing them at me.

With all the videos available for YT to recommend it sure isn't random chance they show the ones they do. Everything Alphabet does EVERYTHING repeat EVERYTHING is designed with the express purpose of finding out more about you and how to leverage that knowledge to maximise the profit from advertising sales.


That IS their business.

Any ranting that doesn't firmly pivot on that point is missing the point. Spitting at the wind would be as productive.

Not sure what kind of business they are in. What is the point to throw at me same BigClive videos or Mr. Carlson videos or similar, every day same videos, what does Alphabet get out of me with that? Ads i just mute then skip them.
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