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Offline aargee

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Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« on: July 29, 2015, 11:05:48 pm »
Looks like it might be. The wing section is from a Boeing 777. More evidence and tests will follow I guess.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-30/plane-wreckage-sparks-malaysia-airlines-mh370-speculation/6658600
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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2015, 12:28:22 am »
If it is the flap, it doesn't look deformed in any way as you'd expect if the plane hit vertically at speed as most suspect due to the lack of debris.
So points toward a softer landing.
But perhaps they were just looking in the completely wrong area all this time?
To take all this time for wreckage to wash up seems a bit far fetched, but it is one big arse ocean.
I wonder if they can trace currents back to an approximate lattitude?
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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2015, 12:32:53 am »
Good.
"No part of the wreckage has ever been found" - This is not true. A halon fire extinguisher spherical tank washed up on a Maldives beach, Mar 26, 2014. Closely matches photos of the same tank in a Boeing 777.
See http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54178
And several other reports around that time, see http://everist.org/archives/links/__Flight_MH370_disappearance_links.txt  time sequence.

But it doesn't fit the official story. The tank disappeared, and was never mentioned in the MSM.
I wonder what the French will say about this wing part?

Ocean currents, indian ocean:
http://www.wikipedy.com/ocean_currents_northern_hemisphere_world_map_ocean_currents.htm
http://www.wikipedy.com/images_o/ocean_current.jpg

Another article:
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3178978/Debris-floating-Indian-Ocean-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-flight-370.html
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Air crash investigators have 'a high degree of confidence' that a piece of wreckage found on the Indian Ocean island of La Reunion is from a Boeing 777 - the same model as the doomed MH370 which disappeared in March 2014.

Since the Boeing 777 was introduced in 1994, there have been five incidents - including MH370 -  which have led to the destruction of the aircraft. MH370 is the only aircraft of its type which has vanished over the sea. ....

A Boeing source told NBC that they believe the piece of wreckage is from a Boeing 777 and the only missing aircraft of its type is MH370.

He also noted a reference on the wreckage: BB670.  He added: 'This code is not a plane's registration number, nor serial number. However... it's clear that this reference would allow a quick identification.

Edit: pic from that article:

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2015, 12:36:37 am »
Chunks of that size cannot be dropping off 777 wings too frequently. Even then Boeing ought to have the incident in their records if it has happened to another airplane.
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2015, 12:46:41 am »
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A Boeing source told NBC that they believe the piece of wreckage is from a Boeing 777 and the only missing aircraft of its type is MH370.

NBC just broadcast this and showed that the currents could carry it across the Indian ocean (counterclockwise currents).  They also said this is consistent with a "soft" crash landing.  See

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/french-investigators-check-plane-debris-remote-french-island-clues-mh370-n400586?cid=eml_nnn_20150729
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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2015, 12:57:54 am »
Wow.
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2015, 01:01:32 am »
But it doesn't fit the official story.

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2015, 01:02:11 am »
I wonder how long there will be until the obvious conclusion is reached, that the 777 is just not a flight worthy plane yet, no matter how long they failed at getting it built to begin with?
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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2015, 01:05:26 am »
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A Boeing source told NBC that they believe the piece of wreckage is from a Boeing 777 and the only missing aircraft of its type is MH370.

Sounds like we have a winner then. If so, they should start diverting what boats are left and back searching the currents to look for other wreckage.
Gotta be a soft-ish landing.
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2015, 01:07:37 am »
I wonder how long there will be until the obvious conclusion is reached, that the 777 is just not a flight worthy plane yet

How so?
http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/b777.htm
Not many major incidents since 1993
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2015, 01:08:18 am »
Here is a bit of ocean current information. Seems to be roughly on track with the estimated crash location. Of course everything waaay to preliminary.

http://5newsonline.com/2015/07/29/garretts-blog-gyres-mh370-debris/
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2015, 01:11:40 am »
I wonder how long there will be until the obvious conclusion is reached, that the 777 is just not a flight worthy plane yet

How so?
http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/b777.htm
Not many major incidents since 1993

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2015, 01:12:54 am »
Here is a bit of ocean current information. Seems to be roughly on track with the estimated crash location. Of course everything waaay to preliminary.
http://5newsonline.com/2015/07/29/garretts-blog-gyres-mh370-debris/

Wow, that's almost bang-on:
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2015, 04:03:58 am »
I'm not sure why so many people are looking at this and saying "Proves it must have been a soft ditching".
It's been ripped off the wing, it has lots of damage around the rear edge, the actuator mount that should be present in that pic I posted above isn't there (ie ripped out.)

At the rear edge of the wing, close to the wing root, I can imaging it surviving a high speed water impact and ending up like that. Quite a few large pieces of Air France 447 survived as intact as this one. Including at least one flap I can recall.  So it's condition doesn't really say much about the impact.

I wonder what the flotation volume is? Just hollow sealed cavities, or some kind of closed-cell foam?
Because the question is, did it break off on impact (and then why wasn't it seen?)
Or did it go to the bottom with most of the wreckage and then work loose and pop up later?

Hollow sealed cavities would have been pressure-crushed at depth. So would flexible closed cell foam, removing buoyancy. But a hard foam might have held up. It's just that this is big and light-colored, so WHY WASN'T IT SPOTTED?

I wonder if it might have been floating end-up, rather than flat? Someone should put it back in the water, and see.
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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2015, 04:47:03 am »
I'm not sure why so many people are looking at this and saying "Proves it must have been a soft ditching".

If you have experience in testing stuff hitting water vertically you'll know why.
I've done a lot of such testing, and hitting water can be like hitting concrete.
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2015, 04:50:28 am »
Hollow sealed cavities would have been pressure-crushed at depth. So would flexible closed cell foam, removing buoyancy. But a hard foam might have held up. It's just that this is big and light-colored, so WHY WASN'T IT SPOTTED?

Likely because it's a big arse ocean. And ask anyone who does search and rescue and they will tell you how hard it is to spot stuff.
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2015, 05:05:31 am »
Hollow sealed cavities would have been pressure-crushed at depth. So would flexible closed cell foam, removing buoyancy. But a hard foam might have held up. It's just that this is big and light-colored, so WHY WASN'T IT SPOTTED?

Likely because it's a big arse ocean. And ask anyone who does search and rescue and they will tell you how hard it is to spot stuff.
Been there and done that. Concur.
Every time even a little wave breaks you think you spotted something - and then it vanishes.
In this case a white (or light grey) object lying just below the surface would be very hard to actually detect visually - because that is the colour of a breaking wave.
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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2015, 05:18:25 am »
AF 447 hit the water in a full vertical stall (belly down), definitely not a 'soft ditching', yet bits like these survived. Last one is a wing flap.

Anyway, doesn't tell us anything useful, probably.
Why have no other pieces turned up? Let's hope they find some more now.

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2015, 06:03:33 am »
This is pretty interesting. The flight as reported in a simulator. Military radar altitudes don't fit but otherwise fits.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/latest/a/22235213/flight-recreated-in-777-simulator/
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2015, 06:24:00 am »
It won't take long to know what it is, parts of planes - especially ones this big - have serial numbers on them.
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2015, 08:17:44 am »
They confirmed today that it was part of MH370.
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2015, 09:12:33 am »
AF447 was easily found. Perhaps sheer luck but it probably helped that tracking radar was available until the crash and it crashed (~relatively) close to the coast of Brazil.  Plus, the impact was relatively gentle, all considered.

MH370 hasn't been found yet and is suspected to have crashed in a large area due to the lack of data available.

I suspect more debris may appear as it was predicted that ocean currents would take approximately 1 year to 18 months to reach the coast of Africa going on the estimation of crashing somewhere in the Indian Ocean.
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2015, 11:06:50 am »
Here is a bit of ocean current information. Seems to be roughly on track with the estimated crash location. Of course everything waaay to preliminary.
http://5newsonline.com/2015/07/29/garretts-blog-gyres-mh370-debris/

Wow, that's almost bang-on:



Would there be a dirty big eddy in the middle of that zone, may be there's a whole heap more wreckage floating around in the centre?
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2015, 12:46:13 pm »
it could be difficult to locate.

Quite the understatement. It's still a couple million square miles or so of ocean to search.
 

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Re: Wreckage of MH370 washing up on Reunion Island?
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2015, 01:50:06 pm »
it could be difficult to locate.
Quite the understatement. It's still a couple million square miles or so of ocean to search.

The only way they'll find the black boxes is if they find huge parts of the fuselage on the ocean floor. If the whole thing was scattered to kingdom come then they have buckleys chance.
 


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