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janoc:
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--- Quote from: janoc on February 22, 2020, 04:06:13 pm ---Here is an actual airline captain explaining the level where these systems are today and what the issues are:
On Boeing single-pilot system for airliners:
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Airline pilot says we still need pilots... he would say that, wouldn't he?
But yes, we still need pilots. Someone has to feed the dog ;)
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You didn't watch the videos, did you? But feel free to make dumb comments.
I wonder who else do you want to hear about this from except the people who are actually trained and required to know both the regulations and how those machines operate.
Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on February 22, 2020, 06:22:06 pm ---Airline pilot says we still need pilots... he would say that, wouldn't he?
But yes, we still need pilots. Someone has to feed the dog ;)
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Aerospace engineers or regulation specialists should have valuable opinions.
donotdespisethesnake:
--- Quote from: janoc on February 22, 2020, 07:07:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on February 22, 2020, 06:22:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: janoc on February 22, 2020, 04:06:13 pm ---Here is an actual airline captain explaining the level where these systems are today and what the issues are:
On Boeing single-pilot system for airliners:
--- End quote ---
Airline pilot says we still need pilots... he would say that, wouldn't he?
But yes, we still need pilots. Someone has to feed the dog ;)
--- End quote ---
You didn't watch the videos, did you? But feel free to make dumb comments.
I wonder who else do you want to hear about this from except the people who are actually trained and required to know both the regulations and how those machines operate.
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You don't have to be a pilot to know the regulations and how the machines operate, but you will only ever get one answer from the pilots.
You would have to be pretty dumb to think a professional pilot will ever say "yeah, we don't really need pilots". :-DD
But hey, if a guy on TV/youtube says something, then it must be true, right? We don't need to think about it further. :palm:
In the real world, manufacturers are automating as much as possible, and airlines are eager to buy planes which requires less training, and cheaper pilots.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on February 22, 2020, 05:07:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 01:51:38 pm ---It has been suggested in the industry but the pilots pushed back as you'd expect and the airlines have the cost of training pilots so it's a bit of sticking point.
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While pilots pose a risk their presence is also a huge improvement to safety. They're trained to the level they are not because they need to fly an airplane but because they need the skills and aptitude to quickly and effectively identify and mitigate potentially catastrophic issues. That's how they earn their keep and why they're not just bus drivers. Flying an aircraft can reliably be done by computers but the human flexibility is beyond computers for now and the foreseeable future.
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Add in the fact that people simply will not accept flying in a plane without a pilot at the controls.
Heck, even astronauts and the space agencies won't fly in an automated rocket and space ship without a trained pilot on board.
SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on February 23, 2020, 10:38:02 am ---In the real world, manufacturers are automating as much as possible, and airlines are eager to buy planes which requires less training, and cheaper pilots.
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Given the typical cost of a flight (except maybe for the very short connections?), the cost of the pilots themselves per flight seems pretty negligible to me, even when they are very well paid, so I don't know what it brings to the table, except for the obsession of cutting costs even when that doesn't matter (And I know some companies do obsess over that, but I'm not sure I get the point). To illustrate this, please just take a look at the average full operating cost of a given flight, and estimate how much of this is to pay two pilots. Uh huh. Compare it to even just the cost of the kerosene.
Cost considerations aside, two main points are making this problematic: first, acceptance, as several have said above. Second, responsibility. Human pilots take full responsibility (at least the main pilot in the cockpit) for the whole flight and its safety. If there is no human involved, who is going to be responsible? That's the same issue with autonomous vehicles, this is a very basic problem and is IMO completely unanswered to this day. Machines can't be held responsible for anything strictly speaking, and then the chain of responsibility becomes MUCH more complex and diluted than it seems. Almost intractable.
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