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| pickle9000:
Define fire, and ruling it out without seeing it? Cockpit fire same aircraft. Same masks? Possible fire on mh370, of course. Need not be the same cause. http://avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7 |
| wasyoungonce:
True...I've seen Aircraft fires (or the aftermath)...the Aircraft do not fly for long, short minutes at best if not seconds, to be true they were not civil aircraft. Suffice to say, there is no way if they had a fire MH370 battery or other, that the Aircraft would return to Penang do a wing over then fly off do a couple of more course changes and then fly to southern ocean. These are known's not circumstantial. A fire is a possibility, circumstantial, but there is no way an airliner could have stayed aloft do these course changes and fly on for hrs and hrs from a fire that incapacitated all on board. It would engulf the rest of the airframe, rapidly causing catastrophic break-up. Just like the Helderberg. Oh I should have also said...MH370 flew pretty much over the old RAAF Butterworth Penang Radar station (Primary) which was real odd then did course changes that appeared to be avoiding radar, this is known but the intent is speculation. |
| kosmonooit:
Butterworth has an air navigation waypoint (VBT) that would explain why they routed overhead, and I am suggesting that keypoints were being keyed into the Autopilot (just a case of selecting or entering the letter codes and then GOTO) by a pilots who were perhaps loosing conciousness (that's how these aircraft are flown nowadays) the final one was perhaps on the other side of the earth that why it flew the track it did. http://ourairports.com/navaids/VBT/Butterworth_VORTAC_MY/#lat=5.476309776306152,lon=100.39399719238281,zoom=10,type=Satellite In terms of defining 'fire' that would suggest an open flame, which is ignited from combustible (and toxic) fumes, once that starts it spreads rapidly but it this case it could have started in some way, maybe it was contained or extinguished, but continued to out gas toxic fumes, maybe the skin on the fuselage was compromised causing decompression, whether that Li Ion cargo had anything to do with that, who knows. As far as I know they only really start misbehaving when over loaded and not cooled (let's get Elon Musk's opinion on this) not just spontaneous combusting with no load. There could have been an electrical fault that caused wiring to start burning. Lots of maybes here. About the Helderburg, there was a lot of speculation about its cargo, at that time there was a lot of covert shipping of arms and ammo (and rockets fuel) to SA which was under sanctions, some of the manifest was dodgy and unaccounted for if I remember correctly. It was a Cargo Combo 747, the pax all rushed forward to escape the fumes, some were found three up on the seats. |
| AG6QR:
--- Quote from: wasyoungonce on August 03, 2015, 08:19:43 am ---Exactly...the Helderberg, a SA 747 airliner & cargo plane, crashed ~ 1987 from an onboard fire (from cargo area). Once fire detected....it didn't stay flying for long. There have been a few Aircraft fires, suffice to say, they burn pretty rapidly. --- End quote --- Yes, but there are also numerous documented instances of pilot suicides. Once the pilot took action to commit suicide, the plane didn't stay flying for long. Whatever happened to MH370, it was significantly different from any previous event. It's not impossible to imagine a pilot pointing the plane out into the middle of the ocean. But it's also not impossible to imagine a fire that extinguished itself once it breached the pressure vessel and caused decompression, which would cool things, "blow out" a small fire, and/or starve it for oxygen. |
| pickle9000:
Helios Airways Flight 522 is similar enough (loss of cabin pressure) that could account for the course change and extended flight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522 Excessive smoke in the cockpit could easily cause the same issue and flight path. It's not like you can open the windows and the system can only handle so much volume. Not to mention the toxicity. An electrical fire need not have spread through the plane and could have self extinguished after the crew and passenger where incapacitated. Could it have been some sort of a hijacking or suicide. An Egyptair flight was certainly suspect when you consider suicide and hijacking happens. Can't rule it out, a weapon fired on board is also a possibility and that would also cause a similar issue with loss of pressurization. Basically I like to let the evidence lead the way and there is little there at this point. |
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