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| Zero999:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on April 30, 2022, 06:02:48 am --- --- Quote from: gnif on April 29, 2022, 11:24:02 pm ---@m3vuv you landed on the watch list because of your arrogant and insulting behaviour. I have tried very hard to work with you to get you to see how your behaviour is not acceptable. --- End quote --- As someone with their own communications problems (abrasiveness, excess verbosity), I can place myself in m3vuv's proverbial shoes. I know that at some point, those problems may make me unwelcome, too. However, I know that that would not be due to my person or my personality, but by my communications. (I did have to start using a pseudonym, Nominal Animal, instead of my real name online, to truly "grok" this, though.) I only hope that before that happens, I will be notified of being close to the line by the moderators or Dave. (Preferably via a private message describing exactly how, because a public post might trigger a premature emotional reaction (feeling being "publicly accosted"); whereas one can read and digest a private message in their own time, and cool down first.) Putting myself in m3vuv's shoes, having taken a look at their last couple of hundred posts (and noting they have mentioned some personal hardship right now): if this was me, I'd have to conclude the ban is fair, for now. (I've had something like this happen to me years ago, when I was, uh, not in the best mental state possible, myself.) Thing is, one must either adjust their communications style so that they contribute more to the discussion than their personal quirks hamper it. If that's not possible, then that's not the place for them. It's not good or bad, it's just how the world is; much like how one is not suitable for every possible job, only some of them. Thus, in my opinion, the best possible outcome would be for m3vuv to work on changing their posting style for the better (seeing as they are capable of it, at least have been, elsewhere, years ago), and consider it the "cost" of participating here. If they sort themselves out and decide they'd like to do that, they could contact Dave and set up a new account with some strict boundary conditions. I know for a fact that this has been done before, and it has worked out at least in a couple of cases. Not all, though, obviously; and I know of several who have left exactly because they just didn't feel they "fit". The key is to realize that this is nothing personal; it is only about how we communicate with each other, and somewhat necessary to stop the forum for falling into chaos. (And while one could argue philosophically about where that line should lie, just looking at the forum as it is right now, I at least must conclude Dave et al. do a better job at this than I could. I can comment on individual cases, but I definitely don't want to affect the "policy line" Dave sets.) --- End quote --- I have attempted to help him on many occasions but I was starting to give up. I'm surprised he wasn't banned earlier. I can't figure out whether he's genuinely mentally ill/retarded, or just a troll, but I suppose it doesn't matter. It isn't our responsibility to figure out which it is. |
| Labrat101:
After reading though every thing .. I was wondering how on earth .. Did this subject title "" Re: wtf is this about? "" Ever made 2 complete pages . When the Title alone was asking for a Fight .. ?? :box: Surely a couple of well written PM's may have solved his Problem .. |
| MK14:
--- Quote from: Labrat101 on April 30, 2022, 05:52:44 pm ---After reading though every thing .. I was wondering how on earth .. Did this subject title "" Re: wtf is this about? "" Ever made 2 complete pages . When the Title alone was asking for a Fight .. ?? :box: Surely a couple of well written PM's may have solved his Problem .. --- End quote --- PMs (not by me, so I'm not sure how many, but other(s), mention doing it, so I assume it is many) and posting advise has been tried, on numerous occasions. With little success, although gnif did seem to say earlier, that he (gnif) had noticeably improved the OPs behavior. As other(s) have said. As lenient, as this forum tends to be. It is surprising, they lasted as long as they did. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on April 30, 2022, 06:02:48 am ---As someone with their own communications problems (abrasiveness, excess verbosity), I can place myself in m3vuv's proverbial shoes. I know that at some point, those problems may make me unwelcome, too. However, I know that that would not be due to my person or my personality, but by my communications. (I did have to start using a pseudonym, Nominal Animal, instead of my real name online, to truly "grok" this, though.) --- End quote --- I don't find you to be particularly abrasive, but it might just be that I'm equally abrasive so I don't notice. Whatever the case you use punctuation, capitalization and spell most words properly so it is not a laborious task to decipher what you've written. I think what annoys me is when it takes effort to decipher something someone has scrawled and after that effort I find that it was a waste of time. |
| Benta:
@gnif, I find you've handled this admirably and with a lot of patience. I've gone a step too far once or twice and learned from it. The light-handed moderation of this forum is commendable and attests to the fact that almost all users are grown-up professionals. |
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