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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2023, 09:12:04 am »
Hardly. Dubbo is 6 hours drive.
Somewhere like San Bernardino I pointed out is about 80km from downtown LA.

I think you picked out some houses in Hesperia, which is a bit further out. But in daytime hours, the drive to LA from San Bernadino or surrounding areas could easily be 3 hours if you include the local journeys to and from the freeway. All the freeways around there have traffic moving at a slow crawl or at a standstill during busy periods. The lower house prices reflect the difficulty of commuting from those communities. And the traffic reflects the fact that so many people have moved out in that direction and try to commute back.

Another reason to live in LA.
If you lived in say San Bernadino, how often would you have to visit downtown LA if you worked from home?
I live in Baulkham Hills about 50km out in the burbs, and the number of times I travel into downtown Sydney per year I could count on one hand.
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2023, 09:23:03 pm »
Somewhere like San Bernardino I pointed out is about 80km from downtown LA.
For sure you have to look at neighborhoods and a host of other factors, but her options must be very limited for some reason (maybe not by choice?) if she can't find a house to buy.
I'd be stunned if she can't buy a house for $500k

80km by helicopter, sure.  Otherwise it is a 2-3 hour drive.  Yes you probably can find a house in a bad neighborhood in San Bernardino for $500k, but between the crime, weather and lack of nice places to go and things to do it isn't a popular spot to be in.  But I do see more on the market in my area--which is about half way between LA and San Bernardino--and for $700-800k you might just find something with a decent garage.  But I know people that are hard at it hunting for a house and if anything liveable and commutable came up for $500k they'd have snapped it up.
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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2023, 09:42:33 pm »
If you lived in say San Bernadino, how often would you have to visit downtown LA if you worked from home?
I live in Baulkham Hills about 50km out in the burbs, and the number of times I travel into downtown Sydney per year I could count on one hand.

That depends a lot on what things you do, of course.  Where we live, my wife's teaching job is 15 minutes away and I worked mostly from home--but if I needed to go to the Federal courthouse in LA it was an all-day trip with me leaving the house at 5 AM.  When I needed to go to a hospital in LA for medical treatment, we ended up staying in a hotel the night before or after at least half the time.  But sure, there are movie theaters, shopping malls, Costco and Walmart all nearby. 
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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2023, 10:27:25 pm »
All that is true and we all have good reasons for willing to stay where we are. Experience does tend to show, though, that unreasonable resistance to change doesn't always end up very well. But some may prefer a bad ending having lived exactly where and how they were comfortable, and that's probably fine. I've been told life never ends well anyway. :-//
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2023, 03:03:12 am »
Somewhere like San Bernardino I pointed out is about 80km from downtown LA.
For sure you have to look at neighborhoods and a host of other factors, but her options must be very limited for some reason (maybe not by choice?) if she can't find a house to buy.
I'd be stunned if she can't buy a house for $500k

80km by helicopter, sure.  Otherwise it is a 2-3 hour drive.  Yes you probably can find a house in a bad neighborhood in San Bernardino for $500k, but between the crime, weather and lack of nice places to go and things to do it isn't a popular spot to be in.  But I do see more on the market in my area--which is about half way between LA and San Bernardino--and for $700-800k you might just find something with a decent garage.  But I know people that are hard at it hunting for a house and if anything liveable and commutable came up for $500k they'd have snapped it up.

My $500k figure is purely arbitrary, I have no idea what her borrowing capacity would be.
Once she posts the address for the yard sale then you could search what the asking price is.
Sounded like she could maybe afford a bit over the Zillo estimate for the current place, but declined due it being a termite infested box of trouble.
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2023, 06:07:26 pm »
Sounded like she could maybe afford a bit over the Zillo estimate for the current place, but declined due it being a termite infested box of trouble.
For that alone it seems she is well grounded in reality and might not have a stubborn attitude w.r.t. location. Just like others, somehow I had the impression this was a side job but apparently not. Well, the lockdowns changed the job market quite severely and therefore my confusion might stem from that.
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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2024, 03:04:25 am »

Near the end, you'll see that she already got the new house, seems to be a decent size although hard to tell for sure. And that she's able to make whatever extra furniture is needed. Handled it much better than Fran did.
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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2024, 04:09:53 am »
Near the end, you'll see that she already got the new house, seems to be a decent size although hard to tell for sure. And that she's able to make whatever extra furniture is needed. Handled it much better than Fran did.

How so?
Both stayed in the same area for convenience/desire and both are still renting, instead of doing whatever is needed to own a place.

Given that Xyla mentioned she considered buying the existing place, but it was just a matter of cost. I wonder how she can get a loan to buy but Fran can't, as they are both in the same business?
Maybe Xyla has a partner with a real job?
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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2024, 12:51:28 am »
Her new lab:


But it's really a 10 lessons learned video, but sadly didn't include "own your own lab space".
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2024, 01:19:25 am »
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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2024, 03:20:16 pm »
Maybe it's just me but for me "evicted" carries the connotation of "fired for cause" rather than "laid off".

For me "lease not renewed" is a very different thing from "evicted". To me "evicted" carries the connotation of "by force", "against their  will", for reasons like non payment of rent or illegal activities. I imagine the sheriff with a court order.

To me "lease not renewed" is very different from "evicted". But maybe it's just me.
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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2024, 04:26:59 pm »
It's common usage in English to say "evicted" if you are forced to leave involuntarily. Yes, it sounds a bit dramatic to say "evicted" instead of "had to move out", but being dramatic is also common in such circumstances.
 
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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2024, 10:15:58 pm »
True, this is a bit of a dramatic phrasing, but you can't blame too much - using catchy titles is what you learn to do when you need to have an online presence.
Try changing the title of this thread or a corresponding video to "Xyla Foxlin's lease not renewed" and see how many people will bother to read/watch or even get what it's all about just reading the title.
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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2024, 01:28:25 am »
It's common usage in English to say "evicted" if you are forced to leave involuntarily. Yes, it sounds a bit dramatic to say "evicted" instead of "had to move out", but being dramatic is also common in such circumstances.

Yes, just common parlance.
In this case the house was sold and presumably the new owners don't want to continue to lease it.
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2024, 04:33:14 am »
True, this is a bit of a dramatic phrasing, but you can't blame too much - using catchy titles is what you learn to do when you need to have an online presence.
Try changing the title of this thread or a corresponding video to "Xyla Foxlin's lease not renewed" and see how many people will bother to read/watch or even get what it's all about just reading the title.
Communication 101. And yes, effective online communication is often borderline with clickbaits. Deal with it, as Elon would say. :-DD

The "clickbait" label pisses me off. I get it all the time of course. To me the "clickbait" slur means a thumbnail and/or title that is not indicitive of the content.
Of course creators have to use catchy titles and thumbnails, even to appeal to their own audience. e.g. the average subscriber would be subbed to dozens or even hundreds of channels, and it's important not to waste subscribers time when they are trying to decide what content to watch in a very long list of subbed videos. So an accurate title and thumbnail is essential.
In this case, it doesn't need to be 100% grammatically accurate, it just needs to be subject accurate, so "eviction" is the right word, it gets across that you are being booted out in one simple clear word.

An example of annoying title would be "I can't believe this happened!"
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2024, 10:18:21 pm »
The "clickbait" label pisses me off. I get it all the time of course. To me the "clickbait" slur means a thumbnail and/or title that is not indicitive of the content.
How come?  The currently-agreed upon definition (in various dictionaries) is based on manipulation to elicit a particular response, with the "traditional" meaning being "using sensationalist headings to get users to view the content".

That is, anything that tricks the user into clicking a link or watching a video is clickbait.  This comes from the manipulation part.

Most common type of clickbait –– extremely prevalent in written online media, where the term originated from –– is a simple question that is left unanswered.  It relies on the human curiosity to trick the person to click and read the article, no matter how banal and predictable the answer is.  (The serious downside is, in my experience, that humans start to ask fewer questions, because the answers they keep reading are so underwhelming and emotionally dissatisfactory; annoying, even.  So, don't think that this is harmless: it is actually changing our societies, and not for the better.)

In Xyla Foxlin's case, the title was "I'm losing my dream workshop :(" with video subheading "I'm getting evicted again."
As the dictionaries say that "evict" means "to expel people from their property; to force people to move out", there is no generally agreed-upon association with causation (although some local languages/dialects might assign some).  Thus, I don't think that video was at all clickbaity; a bit dramatic, perhaps, but that's it.

I consider thumbnails with the open-mouthed surprise face a form of clickbait, because it lies about the content; particularly the levels of surprise evoked by the things discussed.  It is simply a trick, manipulating the user to get interested in the content, via the unspoken suggestion the face conveys that "this content surprised me so much you should definitely check it out".  Social games and manipulation.  It is no different to making the title a simple open question.  To me, it is inaccurate and dishonest.  But, because it is part of today's prevalent online culture, I just have to ignore or work past it.  I cannot just declare it a "slur" against soyboys and get rid of it that way.

Thus, calling "clickbait" a "slur" (in the "insult or slight" sense) is ridiculous, because the definition is based on the presence of a trick.  It's like saying it is a slur to call a prostitute a prostitute when they're trying to sell you their services.
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2024, 10:51:23 pm »
Yes, agreed, and I wasn't meaning that too negatively either (as long as it's not abused). Which is why I clearly said I understood why people would do it, as it's a communication tool that is hard to do without if you want to be heard, especially in a world where there is just too much competition to get a small chunk of some people's attention without resorting to some tricks.
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2024, 11:38:32 pm »
The "clickbait" label pisses me off. I get it all the time of course. To me the "clickbait" slur means a thumbnail and/or title that is not indicitive of the content.
How come?  The currently-agreed upon definition (in various dictionaries) is based on manipulation to elicit a particular response, with the "traditional" meaning being "using sensationalist headings to get users to view the content".

That is, anything that tricks the user into clicking a link or watching a video is clickbait. This comes from the manipulation part.


That is exactly what I said.
Of course every creator is going to pick a title and thumbnail that encourages people to click on the content. As I said, creators have to do this in order to even stand out to their own subscribers in a sea of content in their sub feed.
As a creator and a viewer, as long as the title and thumbnail matches the content, I'm fine with it.
I've had countless people throw "CLICKBAIT!" at me for just putting descriptive text in the thumbnail, and that pisses me off.
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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2024, 03:01:48 am »
That is exactly what I said.
Then me fail English, which happens often.  Sorry!

Of course every creator is going to pick a title and thumbnail that encourages people to click on the content. As I said, creators have to do this in order to even stand out to their own subscribers in a sea of content in their sub feed.
As a creator and a viewer, as long as the title and thumbnail matches the content, I'm fine with it.
Right; and I do agree, even though the current social media culture requires types of encouragement that I really don't like.  (My preferences are not in alignment with the majority, that's all.)

As an outsider, the line between encouraging and tricking is clear, but the closer you are, the fuzzier the line becomes, especially when you do not intend to trick anyone, but think the information conveyed is useful.  I know I have often crossed that line when tutoring people face-to-face; all I can say is that my intention has always been only to help, not to gain anything myself.  And never to troll; to always have a meaningful, useful-to-others point.

I've had countless people throw "CLICKBAIT!" at me for just putting descriptive text in the thumbnail, and that pisses me off.
Sure; that would rile me to no end.  But it is being mislabeled as someone who tricks others for their own personal gain that offends you, not the label itself, right?

Many of those people are using these words only to externalize their own confused emotions instead of trying to convey information or interact with others.  Some are using words they think they know the meaning of, but really, genuinely, do not.  Some are trolling, trying to evoke emotions in others to soothe their own inner turmoil, and gain some small reaction from a completely indifferent world.  And because all of them involve emotions instead of logical or rational thought, they often get more traction in social media than anything actually meaningful.  So, being mislabeled thus is doubly annoying/hurtful.

Point is, it is not the term or label itself, but its misuse; and especially against yourself and others who systematically denounce and detest the practice and such behaviour in general.  Just look at all the videos you've made showing exactly why the various ridiculous tech claims are bullshit.

It is ubiquitous in human societies, and excarberated in social media because of the lack of body language cues and evolved social limits and restraints in person-to-person interactions.  It does not happen because people are evil; it happens because they react by emotion instead of think things through, or because they misunderstand, or because they're feeling bad and externalizing it on others.  Having the label applied to yourself is difficult to deal with for a rational person; but understanding it as an action lets you see the various causes and effects, and thus deal with it, at least to some degree.  I do believe countering it as an action (by pointing out the contradiction, for example, and leaving it at that) is also a useful technique (even if it gains no traction, other rational/logical people often see and understand the context, and why the label does not apply), but that gets into the sector of social behaviour where my own track record is pretty damn poor.

In the case of this thread, note that nobody referred to a video being clickbait: SiliconWizard only said that "effective online communication is often borderline with clickbaits", referring to just that sometimes (not here) the encouragement slips into social tricks to get the clicks, even if not deliberately intended by the author, as the border is fuzzy; and that as encouragement is practically required, accidental slips will happen, so we better learn to accept and ignore any small transgressions, while still pointing out the gross deliberate attempts.  All that of course referred to the correct uses of the term, with the mislabeling being a completely separate thing.
 
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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2024, 09:23:19 am »
Mine was just an observation on language use and not intended as criticism.

I suppose my engineer mind strives for precision in the use of words but I also do understand that people want to add drama or other emotions.

The problem I see is that the language loses precision and degrades (or evolves, depending on your point of view).

When "literally" is used only for emphasis then it loses its meaning.
When everything is "rape" or "genocide" then nothing is rape or genocide.

A lady says someone "murdered her dog". No, lady, no, you cannot murder a dog no matter how hard you try.

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2024, 12:05:47 pm »
Mine was just an observation on language use and not intended as criticism.
If you can't agree on a new rental rate for a new lease and you leave, that's not eviction.

If the owner doesn't want you to be there any more and won't renew the lease, that's eviction.

A middle ground would be when the owner will only agree to a new lease at a stupid high rate. They aren't exactly throwing you out, but they kind of are. There is a lot of brinkmanship in this area, where the owner checks how successful you look, and how committed you are to the location. They may try to hike the rent to the edge of what you can possibly pay. This is the reason a lot of restaurants close down when they seem to be highly successful. Whatever the outcome, each side will walk away with the opposite view of whether this counted as an eviction issue.

Eviction an issue of compulsion, not the good or bad standing of either party.
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2024, 02:49:31 pm »
The "clickbait" label pisses me off. I get it all the time of course. To me the "clickbait" slur means a thumbnail and/or title that is not indicitive of the content.
How come?  The currently-agreed upon definition (in various dictionaries) is based on manipulation to elicit a particular response, with the "traditional" meaning being "using sensationalist headings to get users to view the content".

That is, anything that tricks the user into clicking a link or watching a video is clickbait. This comes from the manipulation part.


That is exactly what I said.
Of course every creator is going to pick a title and thumbnail that encourages people to click on the content. As I said, creators have to do this in order to even stand out to their own subscribers in a sea of content in their sub feed.
As a creator and a viewer, as long as the title and thumbnail matches the content, I'm fine with it.
I've had countless people throw "CLICKBAIT!" at me for just putting descriptive text in the thumbnail, and that pisses me off.
Well, I think your videos are quite well named, the thumbnails are OK, nothing to be upset about. Better names than:
"TSP #207 - Teardown, Detailed Analysis, Upgrade & Experiments of the..." (runs out of characters that Youtube shows).
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2024, 04:27:29 pm »
Well, I think [Dave's] videos are quite well named, the thumbnails are OK, nothing to be upset about.
And if you check out Xyla Foxlin's videos, you'll see the same.  They're a bit more dramatically labeled (many with emphasis via ALL CAPS) but not overly so, pretty similar to how I perceive her in her videos; bubbly, but intelligent and capable.  Not even close to clickbait, any of the videos by either of them, in my opinion.

Which is exactly why getting labeled as clickbait must be so aggravating.
The entire subthread about the use of 'evict' is kinda silly, but slightly related, because it too involves emotions/subtext people associate with the word.
Humans just assume too much, and rarely question their own assumptions.  (I'm no different, and have to work hard at it too, and I still fail at it occasionally.)

I did find it very interesting to compare how she dealt with the situation, how Fran dealt with hers, what Dave would suggest and has suggested, and how I'd deal with it myself; so this thread did/does have value to me.  (It's not the choices per se, but the reasons for those choices, and what kind of effects those choices might have.)
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2024, 06:17:39 pm »
The entire subthread about the use of 'evict' is kinda silly, but slightly related, because it too involves emotions/subtext people associate with the word.
Eviction as a foreigner, it sounds to me when they glue a note to your door that you have 1 week to leave otherwise they will forcibly remove you. And you need to be in a serious offense of the contract to come to that point. This is "they didn't extend my rental contract" but that's a lot of words.
I didn't see a lot of her videos, but I liked the energy she was bringing to them.
 

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Re: Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction
« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2024, 08:18:47 pm »
The entire subthread about the use of 'evict' is kinda silly, but slightly related, because it too involves emotions/subtext people associate with the word.
Eviction as a foreigner, it sounds to me when they glue a note to your door that you have 1 week to leave otherwise they will forcibly remove you. And you need to be in a serious offense of the contract to come to that point.
That is an eviction notice, but it depends on the contract what can lead up to it.  No contractual offense or breaking of the contract is required.

It is only in entertainment/drama where eviction always involves a contractial offense; either the hapless tenant has to break the rules, or the landlord is evil and wants to make money.  That's where the emotive content comes from to us foreigners!  In real life, eviction just means the tenant has to move and cannot stay no matter how much they'd want to.
 


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