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Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« on: July 15, 2017, 07:19:45 pm »
As the title suggests, do you block ads? Why, or why not?

Personally I global block all ads, so I won't participate in Internet warfare. It is known when either a Chinese Internet user loads an ad from wherever, or any Internet user loads an ad from a Chinese server, this traffic can be used to launch weaponized DDoS attacks against any entity.

Also the hard block is applied on my phone since my data plan is metered by traffic - I pay (very expensively) for the Internet traffic on my phone. (My home network is not metered though.)
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2017, 07:20:41 pm »
what ads?  I haven't seen an ad in like 6 years
I'm new here, but I tend to be pretty gregarious, so if I'm out of my lane please call me out.
 
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2017, 07:22:26 pm »
what ads?  I haven't seen an ad in like 6 years

 ;D  :-+ :-DD

Ads ?  :-//
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2017, 07:34:26 pm »
I don't block ads on most sites that I frequent, like this one, but recently had to start blocking YouTube ads again. It was getting too obnoxious. I'm sorry for the loss in ad revenue for the content creators I subscribe to, but enough is enough.
 

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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2017, 07:45:02 pm »
Pay Dave each month via either Patreon or direct via the Paypal donate link on the front page of the website. More that do that the better, as you at least know that you are both directly supporting him, you run a lot lower risk of getting malware from drive by ads, and he probably gets a higher percentage of the per person money as well.

He does not demand this, does not make it a condition, but probably will appreciate it.
 
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2017, 07:59:23 pm »
I block them because some of the sites I used to visit had so much advertising with active scripts and flash that it would cause my CPU to cook!  Otherwise I don't mind supporting web site by letting them show it.  It is the excess that ruins it for the rest of the sites.
 
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2017, 08:01:37 pm »
While any of the following are true, I block ads:

1. Any ads are animated.
2. Any ads make unsolicited noise.
3. Any ads execute any script or program.
4. Any ads are a source of infection.

Note that I have run across or can find examples of all of the above so I block ads, period.
 
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2017, 08:45:38 pm »
Many sites blasting ads are simply unusable.  :palm:
Thus I block all ads. Sorry for those sites which
use ads sparingly. They suffer of course a bit
of collateral damage. Can't be bothered to enable
ads on a site by site basis. I simply just want to get
on with my business without being sidetracked.
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2017, 08:50:31 pm »
Adblock Plus with acceptable ads not blocked.
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2017, 09:27:04 pm »
I have a large hosts file which seems to block the majority of ads.

I notice that most sites seem to load there adverts from a dedicated ad server, rather than from the website itself. This can make adblocking quite easy.

I've been blocking ads since about 2008 ish. Back then I had a Pentium III machine (old by 2008's standards) and it couldn't cope with most web ads. These days, I have a much more modern PC, but it still can't reasonably cope with many current ads, and my older machines certainly can't.
 
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2017, 10:52:35 pm »
I block most ads on all websites except for a select few such as the EEVBlog on both my computer and phone. Pure text ads which are clearly demarcated and not in the way of site content are alright with me. I hate those ads that make your phone start vibrating. As an aside, the person(s) that thought of that idea should be taken out behind the house and shot.
 
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2017, 11:18:47 pm »
I block all ads because:
- Ads take the focus away from the actual content
- Ads are a source of malware/virusses and I want/need to avoid any risk
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2017, 12:24:24 am »
Could someone list some good ad blocking tools.
Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2017, 12:27:54 am »
I block ads on my PC, but not on my tablet nor smartphone, so it's a bit of a compromise.
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2017, 12:31:09 am »
blocking html5 video autoplay seems like a good idea, trying it now on chrome
 

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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2017, 01:07:22 am »
I've raised this point in another thread, but I block ads for two main reasons: They just get in the way of the content I actually want to view and advertising doesn't "work" on me, I simply ignore the ad and I certainly wouldn't buy the product or service based on an advertisement. If I want to find out about a product, I'll do my own research and shop around.

I know some content producers rely quite a bit off revenue generated by ads and I certainly don't want to deny those people (like Dave, Big Clive etc...) a living by blocking ads, so I donate cash and/or hardware to these people which is more than they'd receive off my ad revenue anyway.

Ultimately, my computer, my rules.

Could someone list some good ad blocking tools.

I use both Ad Block Plus and Ghostery as well as network-level content blocking on my firewall.
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2017, 07:42:04 am »
While any of the following are true, I block ads:

1. Any ads are animated.
2. Any ads make unsolicited noise.
3. Any ads execute any script or program.
4. Any ads are a source of infection.

Note that I have run across or can find examples of all of the above so I block ads, period.


one-hundred-percent agree. fuck ads, seriously. patreon supporter until they will feel there is need for a "change of direction" and the whole system collapses :-+

now for the same reasons as david's i just have to find a way to block them on my phone that doesn't involve using a service running 24/7 that will halve (or worse) my battery life.
regarding free app developers and their "muh ads are muh income": shut up and get a real job.
there are many great free apps that don't rely on any annoying ads that pops up automatically, invade the whole screen or worst of all, self clicking ads that open a webpage that automatically subscribe you to some bullshit service you must be crazy to find how to unsubscribe. you'd think that was a relic of the early nineties and dialup, but we still have those..

fuck ads, seriously.

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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2017, 08:18:47 am »
I don't block  yet  and don't see them as a security thread, just do not click on them.
However lately some sites like this one do not work good on some older hardware like my ipad3. So will start experimenting to see if it helps.
 

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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2017, 09:15:59 am »
Ads had become more and more intrusive so I block them.
I allow only selected websites, like this.
I could allow all the ads of the world if they become not intrusive (i.e. only a fixed block on a specific part of the page that doesn't require interaction). I can't accept pre-video ads or something that must clicked to be closed.
I understand that ads moves money and they supports the creation of new content, but I can't accept the intrusive way they are put on the pages or the way they mask an ad like an essential part of the page (i.e. a fake download button).
 
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2017, 09:34:19 am »
For me the reasons to block ads always and everywhere:

- security, most ads are not served from the server or site you are visiting
  and there is absolutely no guarantee that those ads don't try to install malware.

- the websites I visit don't want to take full responsability and don't want to pay
  any damage done by malware hided in ads.

- privacy, most ads don't care about privacy and will track you.

- ads are annoying.

- loadtimes of pages increases.


I don't care if websites go bankrupt because they don't make enough money with ads.
I also don't feel like a "freeloader". If you don't want to make it available for free,
then don't give it away for free.

Websites can use pay-walls or deny access in case they detect an ad-blocker.
That's fine for me, either I'll pay or I'll go somewhere else. I will not disable
my ad-blocker.

If this means that many nice or interesting sites and fora will dissappear, so be it.
The internet was originally designed for defense and later used for universities
to share knowledge. Would be nice to go back to that era...

 
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2017, 09:59:25 am »
I dont block add i block domains.  >:D
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2017, 10:01:33 am »
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Karel above has summed it up nicely   :-+  :-+

=============

In my case, I have the hottest babes flashing ALL their wares on the top and bottom of every page    :popcorn:    :clap: :clap: :clap:

Unless I'm a lady with better 'wares' and see no point in looking at low class, sub circus sideshow women that could not cut it on the street,
why would I block these?   :-// 

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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2017, 10:48:57 am »
I enabled Adblock a couple of years ago, Ads still appeared on EEVblog & other forums, and were fine

Approx a week ago, it stopped working, tried updating/re-installing etc to no effect
On another forum, it became unusable, scripts running continuously and I often needed 20+ Back button presses just to go to previous page  |O

Had to install another blocker which has done the trick...
 

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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2017, 01:49:30 pm »
I feel the same way Karel does.  If you have to keep shoving intrusive ads in my face, obviously your product/service is way too inferior for me to even consider looking at it.  If your product/service is that awesome and I am in need of it, I will already know about and be contacting you.  I use ABP for all sites.  One site I visit puts a bright red banner ad at the bottom of the page to let me know that I have ABP enabled and could I please stop using it to help keep the site free.  It doesn't get in the way of viewing the content so I ignore it.
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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2017, 01:49:49 pm »
My problem with the ads is not the ads themselves, but the tracking.

So, I use uBlock origin combined with blacklisted domains. It is open source and configurable.
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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2017, 02:23:48 pm »
I block advertising where possible because advertising is like a parasitic disease making everything we buy a few percent more expensive and offering almost nothing useful in return.

While other people continue to see and be influenced by advertising I will still be paying for it whether I see the adverts or not.

If there was a cure for advertising the world would be a better place.
 
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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2017, 02:55:25 pm »
There are sites that will request you to disable ABP otherwise it won't show its content.
A few tries of "F5 and ESC" work nicely to break the adblock breaker. If they couldn't figure out that I do let acceptable ads through, they deserve the bandwidth usage.
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2017, 03:05:56 pm »
I dont block add i block domains.  >:D
That's exaclty what adblockers has done for years. Knowing that some ads become served from the same domain of the website you're browsing, and you should block them also (if you can).

See for example google: adwords results were successfully blocked initially, now they're served from the same domain and mixed into the search results making them undetectable by a script
 

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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2017, 03:21:52 pm »
I block all adds...haven't setup my linux laptop to do that yet, and it's annoying as hell. Some sites block me because my ad blocker is running. Fine, whatever. I just won't go there. Seems like a fine solution to me. I block what I don't want to see, and other people block me because of my choice. Simple.
 

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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2017, 03:43:39 pm »
I'm new here, but I tend to be pretty gregarious, so if I'm out of my lane please call me out.
 
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2017, 03:49:54 pm »
Being a CS major I have piled a lot of code (and hardware) into my Google Chrome to shut most of the ads down:

* AdBlock Plus: the main adblocker
* AAK-Cont + Tampermonkey: keep the anti adblock scripts out
* PrivacyBadger by EFF: block out some worst offenders
* Xeon E3-1231v3 & 32GB RAM: enough resource for the scripts to burn without grinding the machine down too much
 

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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2017, 03:50:42 pm »
When my Server is going next room I have space and the silence I need for my Webpage project.
What is the best way to finance it? It cost me ~60€ / Year with all Domains ~100€.
I dont want place Adds. Aff links to the Company who have the same topic?  :-// Just Paypal?
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2017, 04:15:31 pm »
When my Server is going next room I have space and the silence I need for my Webpage project.
What is the best way to finance it? It cost me ~60€ / Year with all Domains ~100€.
I dont want place Adds. Aff links to the Company who have the same topic?  :-// Just Paypal?

What do you think? Hobbies are being paid from your salary. Like all hobbies.

If it's not a hobby, what is your business plan?


 

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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2017, 05:55:02 pm »


So , i found pages of this style, practically the 90% of the screen with ads. Not precisely on strange pages, if not on national newspaper.
I begin to use the ADS Block for avoiding the shit ads TV style on youtbe, one minute of ads to begin video and other one minute at final by the short videos. Or one or two of ads each 15 or 20 minutes for the long video.
 I hate this to dead, when i dinner, many times i watch almost 24 minutes of ads and 2 minutes of program(12 minutes of ads, 30 seconds or  2 minutes of program and again 12 minutes)
 

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« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2017, 06:29:38 pm »
I'm all for supporting the sites I visit, but I block all ads, because the ad networks cannot be trusted and lot of ads now are super annoying.  They are used to spy on you, and some of them even load malware on your machine.  This is not the sites owners' fault but the ad networks.

I see ads on this site occasionally, but think it's because Dave sells advertising directly and hosts them himself.  I don't block them here as I don't really have a reason to, they are not annoying or dangerous etc.
 

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« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2017, 08:00:51 pm »
What is the best way to finance it?
I run four Servers for a community, i hate ads, so there are no ads on any of the services. I work at a company wich does some housing and i can use some space in one datacenter. For new hardware i do usually pay about 50% of the price, the rest of the money is "croudfunded" by the community.  Even without any ads, this is also a good advertising for my company, everybody knows where those servers are...
 

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« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2017, 07:30:08 am »
Much like most consumers, I'm lazy. If even just 1 percent of ads are so annoying that I'm installing an ad blocker, it's blocking everything. If ad block software could have certain channels on YouTube that got white listed, I'd consider it, but I haven't found one that can do that. Not that I've looked that hard, given I have a fully functioning ad blocker, and I'm lazy.  :-//
 

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« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2017, 10:49:19 am »
I am lazy to set up a ad-block utility.
Fortunately I have some kind of ad-filter in my eyes and in my head, that I am not able to recognize them. I can browse websites but I never notice any ads.
Same in public transport, I am not able to hear stupid dialogues of stupid commuters, it is an ambient noise for me.
 

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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2017, 11:05:12 am »
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Fortunately I have some kind of ad-filter in my eyes
I belive the cand block scrips in your browser.
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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2017, 06:43:41 pm »
This is very neat https://pi-hole.net/ and works very well here on a spare Raspberry Pi I have.
Not easy, not hard, just need to be incentivised.
 

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« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2017, 07:03:56 pm »
I am lazy to set up a ad-block utility.
Fortunately I have some kind of ad-filter in my eyes and in my head, that I am not able to recognize them. I can browse websites but I never notice any ads.

I'm kinda the same.......but I have an extra plugin which detects when sites are so overrun with ads such that they are taking the pi$$......the tab is down irrespective of the content I'm looking to see.

Seriously though, I use to run an ad-blocker but heck some of the sites I visit I want them to get the revenue......

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« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2017, 09:45:05 pm »
Yes I block ads, because...

http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Golgafrinchan_Ark_Fleet_Ship_B

Too many people, getting paid too much, to talk utter rubbish. 

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« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2017, 09:55:56 pm »
I don't block ads.

If a website is obnoxious with their ads, I blacklist that site and don't go there again.  Adblockers are WHY ads are so obnoxious these days, I don't want to contribute to sites having to make their ads more and more ridiculous to get past adblockers just so they can get their revenue.
 

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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2017, 01:55:04 am »
Adblockers are WHY ads are so obnoxious these days, I don't want to contribute to sites having to make their ads more and more ridiculous to get past adblockers just so they can get their revenue.
Adblock Plus has the option of letting ads through if they're "acceptable". Thus, ads that are "acceptable" just go through and greatly reduce the incentive to make ads that evade the ad blockers.
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« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2017, 02:04:18 am »
Adblock Plus has the option of letting ads through if they're "acceptable". Thus, ads that are "acceptable" just go through and greatly reduce the incentive to make ads that evade the ad blockers.
A perfect reason to never use Adblock Plus (or any security system with a fundamental conflict of interest).
 

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« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2017, 02:38:56 am »
Adblock Plus has the option of letting ads through if they're "acceptable". Thus, ads that are "acceptable" just go through and greatly reduce the incentive to make ads that evade the ad blockers.
A perfect reason to never use Adblock Plus (or any security system with a fundamental conflict of interest).
There's a formal set of rules for what makes an ad "acceptable":
https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads
Do note that you can disable that feature and block all ads if you like.

Some argue that such measures undermine the point of blocking ads in the first place, others think that promoting acceptable ads reduces the need for blocking ads in the first place.
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2017, 05:01:01 am »
I have found Pi-hole (https://pi-hole.net/) to be good. Just set the router's DHCP server to send the Pi-hole's IP address for the DNS server settings, and have blocked most ads for your network.

If you ever need to bypass it, just change your client DNS server to point directly at the router for a while.

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« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2017, 01:50:34 pm »
I think there are three big problem areas:

1: Web sites that have lost sight of "keep it simple", "work well with the lowest possbile browser / client", and "work in the interest of the user/reader".

2: Client / browser / extension software that has lost sight of "work in the interest of the user / reader".  Clients that are vastly bloated in resource consumption.  Clients that do not give the user fine grained control of what the user will allow to happen on their own computer system as a function of remote site, protocol, privacy, bandwidth, resource consumption, computer facilities (sound / audio, video, file system access, downloading / uploading content, animations, ....).

3: Web "standards" that promote the insanity of #1 and #2 and keep devising ways to make the internet "richer" by bloating the "web browser" with more and more functionality. 

Web browsing is for reading, not video, audio, DRM, chat, teleconferencing, organizing files on your computer, sharing files with remote sites, etc.  Where does it stop what "bloat" will be stuffed by the sites, the browsers, and the WWW specifications toward the hapless / helpless users?

Having thoughts about web sites / sw / browsers like the following should not be controversial or surprising :
"No!  I came to this site to read a few paragraphs of text, I don't want any movies to start playing!  I don't want my speakers to start blaring!  I don't want animations and junk swirling all over my screen!  I explicitly selected to visit site ABC.com, that is all I asked for.  I do not want 50 different connections / scripts / media accesses to all kinds of completely irrelevant companies / computers / sites just because I visited a SPECIFIC site to see information THERE!  I *pay* for my bandwidth, I don't want unwanted audio / video / transmissions to sites I did not intend explicitly to visit and exchange data with my computer!  I don't want malware or the FLASH / JAVA / AIR / JAVASCRIPT / PDF / MP3 / AVI / MP4 / whatever crapware wrappers it hides in!  I JUST wanted to READ some TEXT!  I don't want "rich media" and dancing "power point" presentations and dynamic web 2.0 crap scripting just to read a little TEXT!  I don't want remote sites to be able to geolocate me, discriminate against me because of my ip address / "profile" / OS type / phone model / geolocation / browser choice / whatever!  I don't want to use browser X brand / version, I have a PERFECTLY GOOD ONE FOR MY NEEDS!  I don't want remote sites, (particularly 3rd party ones!)  to know what I'm typing as I type, know my location, my cell phone number, my computer / phone serial number, my installed fonts, my installed software, what OTHER UNRELATED sites may have been visited on this PC, my location, what OS version I run, what browser I run, be able to turn on my microphone / camera / printer / whatever, when I installed my browser, what my entire history of visiting X, Y, Z same or UNRELATED sites is!  I don't WANT my browser to use 99%, 90%, 50%, not even 10% of my CPU, EVER!  I don't WANT my browser to use 99%, 90%, 50%, not even 10% of my MEMORY, EVER!  I don't want my sites visited or browser to track everything I do online!"

But right now it is the "perfect storm" of abusive sites, abusive client / www browser SW, abusive operating systems, and software insecurity insanity that means that you're likely to look up a word in a web dictionary today and get your financial information and personal identity stolen as a result tomorrow because of bad SW, bad sites, bad OS, bad behavior, and abusers at every level that put user concerns LAST.

Having "the sum of human knowledge" online is great.  Having "the sum of human idiocy" online and baked into every piece of software / protocol / malware / ... is not so much.

The only way users CAN protect themselves is to "turn it off".  Whether that means their computing devices.  Their internet link.  Their operating system.  Their web browser.  Or more selectively their particular protocols / browsers / apps / clients / "features" / "permissions" which are really "misfeatures" and "overly permissive" because that's all the tools they have to stop being abused on many levels by many bad actors that intentionally will stop at nothing to abuse them and their information / resources as much as they possibly can for their own profit.

It is all in the money. Mega-corporations making more and more and more and more money.

Investors want to see accelerating acceleration of growth. This is a positive third derivative of money some entity have over time. Such a function rushes to positive infinity fast, so the mega-corporations have to try make more money faster to keep the (already filthy rich) investors happy at all times.
 

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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2017, 02:00:32 pm »
My home PC uBlock blocked 1.7 million ads since installation, my work PC 900.000. If I'm spending 0.25 second to decide for something, if it is important or not, that is 31 days (743 hours) of my time, in the last 4-5 years. That is a lot of time. The real time will be of course smaller, but I just cannot afford it to go online without blocking ads.
Its like 10% of the features of all pages.
And I have a blocker for all the social media. I really dont care, how many people 'liked' a stuff. I dont. Go away, I'm not part of the herd.
 
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2017, 02:07:03 pm »
I don't block ads on most sites that I frequent, like this one, but recently had to start blocking YouTube ads again. It was getting too obnoxious. I'm sorry for the loss in ad revenue for the content creators I subscribe to, but enough is enough.

What program do you use?

It seems like its making you watch ads without the 6 sec option (which was fine) or its becoming like commercials on cable TV, which I can't stand. One out of every three seconds you stare at the TV you are watching an ad. Pay 100 bucks a month for that? That's like paying an admission fee to get into best buy, which I'm sure if they could they would charge. I can't wait for the day when we have to pay for data like we do on our cell phones.
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2017, 02:51:14 pm »
My home PC uBlock blocked 1.7 million ads since installation, my work PC 900.000. If I'm spending 0.25 second to decide for something, if it is important or not, that is 31 days (743 hours) of my time, in the last 4-5 years. That is a lot of time. The real time will be of course smaller, but I just cannot afford it to go online without blocking ads.
Its like 10% of the features of all pages.
And I have a blocker for all the social media. I really dont care, how many people 'liked' a stuff. I dont. Go away, I'm not part of the herd.
I don't think AdBlock Pro have a statistics like this. However for me the AdBlock Pro + AAK-Cont + PrivacyBadger does kill most of the ads and social network buttons, and keep some anti adblock scripts at bay.
 

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« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2017, 09:54:28 pm »
What program do you use?

Through Google Chrome (how ironic):
AdBlock
AdBlock Plus
Privacy Badger
uBlock Origin
TamperMonkey
Link Redirect Trace (not really ad blocking, but useful)

And I am about to set up my Raspberry Pi as a Pi-Hole.
 

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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2017, 07:43:22 am »
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You'd think that more people would "get it" that the internet's greatest potential is supposed to be something like a "library" with a lot of "human knowledge and creativity".  Preserve it and make it accessible.  Educate.  Inform.
Ironic indeed that for instance a website like wikipedia, dedicated to this, that had millions of people contribute to collecting and displaying information without adds can barely survive.
Lets face it the internet only runs for one thing anymore and that is making money.
You can be in denial as long as you want this is not going to change anymore unfortunately.

The captchas and other "obstacles" are created to hinder webbots, software written by engineers to scavage any information possible even usernames, passwords and anything of value. Yup it is a pest but less than having the admins have to sort and clean out tenthousands of fake accounts each and every week.

Its the engineers that created the internet and the engineers that ruined it, so there is where you have to complain, engineers that do commercial work on the internet and the engineers that run illegal activities on the internet incl. The cybersoldiers from ten countries.

What is even worse in my eyes is the fake information and untrue theories popping up.
Before the 1600s only the elite could read and write and maintain valuable information. Luckily we are passed that era but unfortunately every dumbo can now share his disillusional theories and fake info, even whole commercial companies are setup to sent out fake information so people are again back in the dark ages, we all should be very carefull where we get our information and from who before we are re-transmitting crap and become part of the problem ourselves.
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2017, 11:49:53 am »
block ads, sure, but also re-arrange broken websites and remove other unwanted content.
 

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« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2017, 12:22:13 pm »
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You'd think that more people would "get it" that the internet's greatest potential is supposed to be something like a "library" with a lot of "human knowledge and creativity".  Preserve it and make it accessible.  Educate.  Inform.
Ironic indeed that for instance a website like wikipedia, dedicated to this, that had millions of people contribute to collecting and displaying information without adds can barely survive.
Lets face it the internet only runs for one thing anymore and that is making money.
You can be in denial as long as you want this is not going to change anymore unfortunately.

The captchas and other "obstacles" are created to hinder webbots, software written by engineers to scavage any information possible even usernames, passwords and anything of value. Yup it is a pest but less than having the admins have to sort and clean out tenthousands of fake accounts each and every week.

Its the engineers that created the internet and the engineers that ruined it, so there is where you have to complain, engineers that do commercial work on the internet and the engineers that run illegal activities on the internet incl. The cybersoldiers from ten countries.

What is even worse in my eyes is the fake information and untrue theories popping up.
Before the 1600s only the elite could read and write and maintain valuable information. Luckily we are passed that era but unfortunately every dumbo can now share his disillusional theories and fake info, even whole commercial companies are setup to sent out fake information so people are again back in the dark ages, we all should be very carefull where we get our information and from who before we are re-transmitting crap and become part of the problem ourselves.
It takes a bit of practice and not-quite-legal-here-as-of-now censorship bypassing techniques to cross-reference the information. However citogenesis which is common and even intentional now makes cross referencing tedious and unreliable.

A lot people are lying and trying to cover it using citogenesis. When everything we can see are lies the society would collapse, and WWIII may commence.
 

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« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2017, 01:31:50 pm »

Before the 1600s only the elite could read and write and maintain valuable information. Luckily we are passed that era but unfortunately every dumbo can now share his disillusional theories and fake info,

oh man, you got that right

Many of us are old enough to remember when the internet was largely an academic phenomenon.  And even after that, one had to assemble a computer system, get their modem drivered and configured to talk to their ISP, and negotiate various vagaries of the TCP/IP stack to even GET on the internet.  Now we have whole generations who have known nothing but plug-and-play and every asshole-retard-pervert on the planet is out there with a megaphone.  A true tragedy of the commons.
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2017, 09:10:02 am »
What program do you use?

Through Google Chrome (how ironic):
AdBlock
AdBlock Plus
Privacy Badger
uBlock Origin
TamperMonkey
Link Redirect Trace (not really ad blocking, but useful)

And I am about to set up my Raspberry Pi as a Pi-Hole.

A pihole?

The worst site is yahoo. It is ALL ads. Search for the windows 10 cd image. The image is free from Microsoft, EVERY link on the first page that is not an ad is trying to charge you for a free download. So after you scroll through the ads at the top bottom and sides of the page every link is actually an ad. Run the same search on google and after the 2 subliminally marked but still marked, ads you get 10 free download search results.

The other thing that drives me nuts is when the text you are trying to read is squished into a narrow column on the screen with junk all around it. Something is wrong with your site when the actual article you came there to read is just a short blurb with click bait all around. No I don't need to learn one simple trick that saves me money that car insurance companies hate. If it was that good of a trick it wouldn't be published in an ad. Just click your age to begin! where the whole thing is one link so you are not really clicking on anything.

Another bad site I won't click on quora. You see the article for about 3 seconds then a box appears asking for your email and setting up an account, with n way to close it. Once I did make an account luckily it was to a junk mailbox because they send several emails a day even though I unclicked the promotions box.

Has anyone here actually bought something much less opened up a spam email that they weren't planning on buying? Some people must other wise they wouldn't do it, but then again a lot of companies bundle in advertising packages which includes "direct marketing".
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Re: Your opinion on (not) blocking ads on websites
« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2017, 09:43:52 am »
At least the Gmail spam filter is good, and I do not use my other email accounts out randomly, though they also have a nice set of greylists and spamassasin on them as well from my ISP.
 

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« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2017, 10:10:18 am »
My take on ads is that I block Flash (annoying as hell, and always a security problem) and also use a plugin to block user tracking. The tracking blocker blocks ads with built-in tracking too, of course. I don't mind "normal" ads, but tracking is something I really don't like. Unfortunately most companies making money with ads don't get the difference between an ad blocker and a tracking blocker.
 


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