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Offline Ampera

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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2018, 08:08:32 pm »
"borderline illegal"

Something's either illegal or it's not. As an American, I believe I am within my rights to capture whatever traffic can be legally sent to me at any instant.

Well, it's illegal then, American or not.
YouTube license is pretty clear with that: no download allowed (unless YouTube offers you a download feature for the specified video). Also, no add blocker allowed.

As stated, I'm not a lawyer and work off what I know, but I believe you may be confusing a civil agreement and the breaking of a law.

Licenses list terms of service, upon the breach of which (unless it is a signed, notarized document detailing the civil promises made to a body, upon the breach of which no law has been broken, yet you have violated a civil agreement and can be sued and be required to pay damages or, if applicable, submit to some other criteria) all YouTube can really do is deny you access to their services, unless you have also committed some other crime against them.

The capturing and keeping of packets legally sent to you for personal use I do not believe is illegal in the same way capturing and keeping television (formerly signals now digital data) content for personal use. It's the reason, as I said, to my knowledge, you can tape a radio station and use the recording for your own personal uses (defining personal uses as, consuming the content again without redistribution).

Terms of services are written as legal documents, but their effect as contracts is dubious at best and completely worthless at worst. They are intended to set terms they intend you to follow for continued use of their services (hence why it's called terms of service) and often include details on liability of said services, for example as a way to absolve their liability should you do anything illegal on their sites, so long as they actively seek to remove that content.

Again, this is the US law as I know it. You're from Romania, so the laws and extent of unsigned, and often unread civil agreements may be different, but there's a VERY important distinction between civil and criminal courts, and just because YouTube tells you not to download their videos, doesn't mean is a law nor legally binding in any way. They can tell you not to breathe too, but that's not likely to stand up in any court either.
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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2018, 08:50:42 pm »
Thank you for pointing out the differences between something being illegal and the terms of service infringement, I didn't know that. It seems that I was wrong calling that illegal.
 
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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2018, 09:57:42 am »
Till recently I had been using keepvid.com. An online downloader which worked very well, usually amazingly fast.

Then a few days ago keepvid got copyright-Borged. The site is suddenly just some bizarre exhortation to not violate copyright, and why you should obey youtube terms of service.  Apparently written by mentally ill robots. Article about that:
https://betanews.com/2018/03/21/youtube-download-site-keepvid-dead/
 "Popular YouTube download site KeepVid no longer allows downloads -- educates against copyright theft."

Personally, I think it has little to do with copyright; more to do with Alphabet/Youtube/FB/Twitter wanting to stop people downloading and passing around videos which the censors would rather disappeared completely and forever, the instant youtube deletes them. Samizdat video sharing makes it harder to control the narrative. I can think of some notable recent instances.


A quick look around turned up a few alternatives, and I first tried  http://jdownloader.org
It's an installable. Works with a very large number of streaming sources and web sites. So far I'm impressed. Also I notice it doesn't have any trouble downloading videos that youtube refused to allow to download via keepvid. It gets rapidly updated to deal with streaming site attempts to kill it. First use isn't so intuitive, just look for youtube videos on how to install & run it. Ironic.

Other names that turned up, that I haven't tried:
* Free Mp3 Finder
* XDM - an alternative to IDM and is open source.
* aTube Catcher   Youtube only
* Any Audio Converter   http://www.any-audio-converter.com/any-audio-converter.php
* Any Video Conterter   http://www.any-video-converter.com/products-freeware/
* y2mate.com  (online, no install)
* youtube-dl. http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/  Open-source Python utility, runs on the command line (no fancy GUI) and does everything you'd expect it to do, including downloading YouTube metadata (upload date, description, etc.) as an auxiliary JSON file.
   

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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2018, 11:47:28 am »
Something I recently found out VLC could do (It's a jack of all trades innit?)

To download a YouTube video with it, just load the YouTube video as a stream (File>Open Network Stream). You just need to put the link in that dialog.

Next go to Tools>Codec Information and copy the link in the location box into any web browser. That's the direct link to the video, and it will either save it, or in the case of my browser (Chrome) you can right click and save video as just like you would do an image.
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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2018, 03:11:56 pm »
A downloader is very useful, thank you Raj.  :-+

Censorship and privacy are not the only concerns. "Data rot"-like problems are also real, even if it shouldn't be.

Look what may happen to your video if you let it on youtube for too long:



That was a fluid, crystal sharp video that I added to my favorites list in the year 2006. I am absolutely sure the quality was very good, and it is the same link.
Now, the same video has an un-watcheable quality.

For occasional use, y2mate.com worth mentioning. No install or subscription required, similar with what keepvid used to be before it was killed.

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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2018, 04:17:14 pm »
I downloaded youtube-dl-gui for Windows Portable and just run it
youtube-dl-gui at Github

To test playlists I downloaded this one during the night:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUwbtG6z6pI&list=PL5Qevr-CpW_yZZjYspehnFc-QRKQMCKHB]EEVblog complete playlist

So now I have all 1089 EEVblog episodes locally  ;D
« Last Edit: March 29, 2018, 09:46:15 am by mdijkens »
 
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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2018, 04:46:52 pm »
Now THAT looks useful.
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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2018, 06:35:19 am »
That looks quite handy
 

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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2022, 06:24:56 am »
it'll be illegal as soon as someone else gets hold of my downloads or if i attempt to reupload it somewhere or if I download songs.

That depends on the country. in Australia, mere downloading of content (regardless of copyright) is not illegal. Also, good luck enforcing DMCA here, it's not a thing. We have our own Copyright Act which governs what we do.

Uploading or otherwise distributing copyrighted material without permission however is against the Copyright Act (however it's a civil offence).

For the purposes of this thread and for others who choose to download content from the internet for their own use, have at it, but know your local laws.

I personally download Youtuber's videos for my own consumption because I've been caught out by legitimate content being removed, edited or made unavailable in the past for silly reasons. I'm of the firm belief that if I pay for a copy of a movie, or content is made available freely for consumption, then I should be able to watch that content on any of my devices, at any time, without restrictions.
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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2022, 07:52:00 am »
“yt-dlp” is a superior version of “youtube-dl”. I forget the specific reason I downloaded and started using it about a year and a half ago, suffice to say it was much better at whatever I was doing.
 

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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2022, 07:53:49 am »
“yt-dlp” is a superior version of “youtube-dl”. I forget the specific reason I downloaded and started using it about a year and a half ago, suffice to say it was much better at whatever I was doing.

It doesn't suffer from the speed issues that youtube-dl seems to suffer from whenever YouTube decides to break it's support. Last time I checked, youtube-dl would only download at 70KB/sec for me.

I also found that yt-dlp supports more content providers.
 
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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2022, 08:53:48 am »
I just downloaded yt-dlp and it solved the slow download speeds I had been getting for a while (year?) with Youtube-dl. I was getting ~50kb/s. The test I just did was at my full internet speed.

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I've used youtube-dl for quite a few years now I recommend it and now will consider recommending yt-dlp. I've only ever used the command-line. Some podcasts  that don't normally provide an mp3 download are made available on yt and with youtube-dl I download them and extract the audio. you need to have ffmpeg available for the extraction though.
 

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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2022, 10:12:55 am »
You don't.

With youtube-dl, get familiar with the -F / -f flags, other downloaders may have similar functionality.
Lets you choose which stream(s) to download, and there are many alternative streams available: some audio only, some video only, some combined, different formats, quality and so on.

You can even download MP4 video and Vorbis audio and combine them in MKV if that's what you want, although then you will need ffmpeg for the merge.

MP3 generally is not available on YouTube, but on most videos you can choose M4A (AAC), Vorbis or Speex. They are all better codecs and hopefully you have something that can play at least a few of them.
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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2022, 11:58:25 am »
On the legality side, I think what you guys are discussing is under the heading of "fair usage". I was reminded to think of a famous case that defined the status of the home video recorder. In 1984, Universal Studios argued that the act of timeshifting television programmes on Sony's new fangled Betamax video recorder was a breach of copyright... Instead:
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Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417 (1984), also known as the “Betamax case”, is a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States which ruled that the making of individual copies of complete television shows for purposes of time shifting does not constitute copyright infringement, but is fair use. The Court also ruled that the manufacturers of home video recording devices, such as Betamax or other VCRs (referred to as VTRs in the case), cannot be liable for contributory infringement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc.

Wind on 40 years and the notion of fair usage seems to still apply to any content that is 'time-shifted' to be viewed on any device at a later date - provided downloading is for non-profit and non-commercial use. Although the lawyers might want to beat each other up when it comes to format shifting (FFMPEG) ripped content to view on other 'unsupported' devices and, place shifting ripped content off of local hard drives to iCloud, for example.

With Youtube-dl, provided it is intended as a means of time shifting content on the Youtube platform, it should fall inside the notion of fair usage as defined four decades ago in the Betamax Case.

 

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Re: Youtube-dl front end
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2022, 10:22:33 pm »
With Youtube-dl, provided it is intended as a means of time shifting content on the Youtube platform, it should fall inside the notion of fair usage as defined four decades ago in the Betamax Case.

Pretty much, although there are always nuances to consider whenever you're dealing with these kind of laws and of course it takes a while for laws to catch up with technology. But this is also why no one has been found guilty of simply downloading video from the internet in Australia.

However once you cross the line into unauthorised access, downloading of illegal material, or sharing/distributing, that's a whole other game.
 


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