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YouTube runs experiment addressing users with ad blocker
ataradov:
--- Quote from: Bicurico on October 17, 2023, 06:19:54 pm ---He would get his money from Patreons or ads,
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So, you are still paying or watching ads. What is the difference to the current situation?
--- Quote from: Bicurico on October 17, 2023, 06:19:54 pm --- the increased bandwidth shouldn't be that expensive (I guess - could be wrong) and he would be in full control.
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You would have to hire people to maintain infrastructure. Hosting video is not like hosting HTML pages. You will be miserable if the videos you watch in Portugal are hosted on one server in the US.
--- Quote from: Bicurico on October 17, 2023, 06:19:54 pm ---3) Netflix or a competitor offers his subscribers to upload and share videos! Why doesn't Netflix do that?
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Because Netflix infrastructure is very locked down and not designed for frequent updates. They ship (or at least used to ship) sealed server boxes to the local data centers of the local ISPs. Data replication between those servers is not done in real time. This model works perfectly for their use case - low turnout low volume of content. It will not scale at all to user uploaded content.
Plus they would have to deal with DMCA stuff. And they would have to be really strict about it, since their main business relies on good relationship with content owners.
MK14:
--- Quote from: ve7xen on October 17, 2023, 05:55:56 pm ---Folks acting like they're entitled to consume Google's resources without giving anything in return is absurd.
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I think there is a huge number of ways, they can make money from such users. A limited number of examples, follow.
* A person, looks for a particular item, e.g. An Oscilloscope, PC, TV or Car, for lots of video reviews, unboxing videos and detailed videos with descriptions of those items. That would be very valuable information for companies trying to sell those items to consumers and businesses. They can then send targeted internet adverts (on other platforms), emails or postal adverts, maybe even ring the person up. Depending on that particular individual or business.
* A so called non-paying person, loves a particular youtube video, so they post links to it, all over the place. E.g. Bigclive makes this funny thing explode into big flames, a must see!. Many of the people who see those links, might be subscribers and/or have adverts enabled, so would (indirectly) get payments to YouTube
* By watching YouTube creators, not paying YouTube anything, but paying that creator significant funds, via Patreon, for doing better content in the future. Which then also gives better content to the paying people, via subscriptions or watching YouTube adverts
In summary, YouTube can indirectly get a lot of payment/money/resources, from the people who don't watch the adverts (e.g. because they block them or ignore them), and who never subscribe to it.
ataradov:
That's like paying contractors in "exposure". It does not work. Just pay for the service you use. The amount of mental gymnastics people will do....
Bicurico:
Dave hosting his own videos to a million of subscribers is a different league than YouTube.
His ads are not intrusive as YouTube ads and hence much better tolerated.
Regarding Netflix, there is no need for speed. I don't care if the latest 8bit Guy video is available for me tomorrow or in two weeks.
If I want real time, I use live TV.
MK14:
--- Quote from: ataradov on October 17, 2023, 07:05:47 pm ---That's like paying contractors in "exposure". It does not work. Just pay for the service you use. The amount of mental gymnastics people will do....
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But it is techniques like that, which allow and pay for Google, to provide a (so far), free search service for everyone.
If they had listened to what you seem to be saying. Everyone would have had to pay, perhaps $9.99 per month to ever use Google's search system in the first place.
I suspect, that if Google had charged $9.99 or whatever, right from the start for searches, we would have never heard of Google, and they perhaps wouldn't even exist, now.
I use the above as an analogy to YouTube, re this discussion.
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