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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2019, 01:05:53 am »
Everyone can relax, it was just an "error"  ::)
Coincidentally just as the purge news had hit Forbes and other big news sites...

 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2019, 01:10:34 am »
For those content creators that I follow and use these other platforms, I will exclusively only watch them using either LBRY or Vimeo from now on.

A couple of videos about LBRY from me coming up...
*cough* *cough*


I'm up to 1500 subs on LBRY now, and the daily subs growth on LBRY is approaching that of my Youtube channel!
Hence why I've been pushing this the last handful of videos, and that will continue.

As for Vimeo, sadly that's not hugely viable for creators. Not only is there no audience there (Bitchute and LBRY have larger existing audiences), there is no ability to auto-sync content from Youtube.
So that means creators have to not only manually upload to Vimeo, but also the title, description, thumbnail, etc, all manually. This is a real PITA and is why I don't bother. I just batch upload to Vimeo occasionally by just dragging the files over. Hence the title defaults to the filename, and there is no description.
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2019, 01:25:54 am »
@EEVBlog : Dude, harsh  :popcorn:
Unlike regular investments or investment channels, the crypto market is wholey unregulated. With the collective magnitude of losses from those who put their life savings into these crypto-scams, after thoroughly researching their investments on YouTube, the class action lawyers will be looking to the largest and lowest hanging fruit - which is Alphabet, aka Google. Google is not exactly flavour of the month with governments, so beating the Big Greedy also looks good.

Google is legally protected because it's a PLATFORM and NOT a PUBLISHER. These are very specific legal protections under US law.
Once Youtube start moderating content thinking they have a "duty of care" as you put it, they risk becoming a PUBLISHER, and they are no longer legally protected.
I highly recommend you go and research this.
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2019, 07:55:41 am »
The US has too many laws and regulations about every little thing when it comes to the internet, which is what forces Youtube to be so ridiculous, though YT is still at fault too because they do everything with a shot gun approach which perhaps they don't need to, and lot of people get screwed.  Either way, there really needs to be a competing platform, and it needs to be based in a country that has friendlier internet related laws.  Like just look at the whole coppa thing, it's ridiculous.

LBRY does look interesting, I created an account, just not sure how scalable something like that is.  Blockchain is an interesting tech but I don't think it's the end all be all of decentralizing stuff. 

I have two Youtube videos related to me giving away Ethereum. One is the announcement that I'm giving it away and the other is me announcing the winner.   I'll be curious to see if these eventually get deleted.   So far they have not been hit.  The videos don't mean anything at this point though, it's about a contest that's now over.  Maybe because I'm not really specifically talking about crypto they flew under the radar.
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #54 on: December 27, 2019, 08:31:07 am »
The US has too many laws and regulations about every little thing when it comes to the internet, which is what forces Youtube chooses to be so ridiculous

Fixed it for you.
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #55 on: December 27, 2019, 08:33:13 am »
One of my friends is on Youtube, dressed as Wednesday Addams talking about horror movies and series in a polite e professional way, and for certain obscure reasons, Youtube has tried several times to demonetize her videos accusing her of being about harmful and dangerous content.

YouTube's algorithms may have misidentified her as a child. Given their problems with child-directed content, the algorithms may be overly trigger-happy upon detecting the combination of child plus horror.
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #56 on: December 27, 2019, 08:55:50 am »
But this will only work if the voters are educated well enough not to fall for BS stories.
A rather convoluted way of saying "never" ;)

And really, BS stories from the Internet are not even all of that, quite educated people routinely fall for BS stories from politicians and the media too. You people really are going after low hanging fruit by picking on antivaxers and flat earthers.
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #57 on: December 27, 2019, 09:19:00 am »
whilst both aren't quite as polished as YouTube, they offer numerous advantages. Firstly, you don't need to sign up for an account to view any of the content, you can just skip that stage.
There has never been a need for an account to watch youtube videos either.
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2019, 09:45:17 am »
numerous advantages. Firstly, you don't need to sign up for an account to view any of the content

Anonymity favorites anonymous shit, hence this is not an advantage, while if you get banned on Youtube, you stay banned even on other Google's services.

Secondly, no advertising! I can even follow my favourite channels on LBRY without an account or signing in to anything.

Yeah, whimpers have to complain how annoying it is to see the video stopped for advertising, like when you are in your car, and you complain that the traffic light gets red and you have to wait for it becoming green, or you have to stop and wait at the level crossing because a train is there about to pass.

Life is something like that. With semaphores.

I am not an expert on digital marketing, but talking about TVs I have some experience with a local TV station where no advertising apparently seemed a good idea, but in the end, it meant the management had to find a way to get money, and ...  things went even worse without advertising.

Life is something like that. Nobody does things really for free, and even a smile hides advertising.

Now Youtube now has some problem with its algorithms, ok, hope this can be fixed somehow ... but at the moment I wonder ... has it ever asked you a single penny for all the hours of news, entertainment, and business opportunities it has given you?
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2019, 09:48:53 am »
Everyone can relax, it was just an "error"  ::)
Coincidentally just as the purge news had hit Forbes and other big news sites...

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Seems they make a lot of those.  Ready, fire, aim!

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #60 on: December 27, 2019, 09:50:47 am »
There has never been a need for an account to watch youtube videos either.

An account is required only to
  • to vote I like/dislike
  • to comment
  • to chat (usually used in a live streaming)
  • to receive notifications about new pubblished videos
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #61 on: December 27, 2019, 10:10:16 am »
Now Youtube now has some problem with its algorithms, ok, hope this can be fixed somehow ... but at the moment I wonder ... has it ever asked you a single penny for all the hours of news, entertainment, and business opportunities it has given you?

Youtube didn't create that news and entertainment, the content creators did.
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #62 on: December 27, 2019, 11:05:08 am »
One of my friends is on Youtube, dressed as Wednesday Addams talking about horror movies and series in a polite e professional way, and for certain obscure reasons, Youtube has tried several times to demonetize her videos accusing her of being about harmful and dangerous content.

YouTube's algorithms may have misidentified her as a child. Given their problems with child-directed content, the algorithms may be overly trigger-happy upon detecting the combination of child plus horror.

Something like that. Titles with "horror stories" triggered something, and she had to edit, especially when she talks about murders, suicides, cannibalism, aliens, and all the funny stories used in a movie, e.g. American Horror Stories, and the funny was ... she also had to edit a video talking about Charlie's Angels, why?!? Because she usually dresses "a crown of eyeballs over her head", with the background color polarization that "tends to be red", and this is wrongly perceived by the AI as "dangerous" content(1)


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(1) AI bugged? or intentionally, as an excuse for demonetizing the video? who knows ...
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #63 on: December 27, 2019, 11:12:37 am »
Now Youtube now has some problem with its algorithms, ok, hope this can be fixed somehow ... but at the moment I wonder ... has it ever asked you a single penny for all the hours of news, entertainment, and business opportunities it has given you?

Youtube didn't create that news and entertainment, the content creators did.

Youtube allows Youtubers (content creators) to show their content. I meant. And (if I have understood it correctly) it also gives direct (1) indirect (2) ways to make business on this.

In the end, it's not perfect, but it doesn't look so bad :-//

(1) Youtube pays an average of 50 cent per 1000 visualizations
(2) Youtube allows affiliations; you post a video, you link Amazon's products in the "infobox" section of your video, visitors click on the link and buy stuff on Amazon, and Amazon pays you. Youtube allows you to do that without asking you a penny.
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #64 on: December 27, 2019, 11:32:39 am »
@EEVblog
you have an italian clone-something: "MVVblog" is there, and sometimes this dude quotes you ;D

Found yesterday, when I was looking for a review about a router.
 

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« Reply #65 on: December 27, 2019, 12:17:25 pm »
@EEVblog
you have an italian clone-something: "MVVblog" is there, and sometimes this dude quotes you ;D

Found yesterday, when I was looking for a review about a router.

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #66 on: December 27, 2019, 12:21:33 pm »
Youtube allows Youtubers (content creators) to show their content.
In the end, it's not perfect, but it doesn't look so bad :-//

Sure, but it's a symbiotic relationship, Youtube would not exist if there were no content creators, that's why it's called YOUtube.
But they seem to forgot this and take it for granted, and do everything possible to piss off those content creators.
 
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #67 on: December 27, 2019, 12:56:54 pm »
Sure, but it's a symbiotic relationship, Youtube would not exist if there were no content creators, that's why it's called YOUtube.
But they seem to forgot this and take it for granted, and do everything possible to piss off those content creators.

ah, ok, I get your point. Well, I hope this is just a temporary problem caused by the new emerging artificial intelligence technology. I am personally investing a lot of my time in Erlang, Prolog, and Tensorflow. The first two are well known and don't usually give you bad surprises (except, like in my case, if your skills at programming do suck), but Tensorflow is something new and ... sometimes it tends to piss-off users and even super expert devs because its reactions are completely unexpected, and because there are too many hidden variables to consider during the process.





This girl is known as "Naomi 'SexyCyborg' Wu", she is a Chinese girl, and ... well. I am surprised that YT hasn't issued a warning due to her weird format.  This girl is ... well. I am surprised YT hasn't issued a warning due to her --- emm emm --- "visual format". She talks about 3d printers and technology, but look at how she talks about that. I know a couple of cosplay actress got a warning (kind of "your content should be for adult only") because they appeared semi-naked in a video, while they weren't naked because they wore a pink-body-dress under the costume as showgirls do.

Dunno how the artificial intelligence can understand if a body is naked or not naked, hence ok for a certain kind of audience or not. What does it consider? Dunno, anyway Naomi's format seems approved.

Perhaps, she is just lucky  :-//
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #68 on: December 27, 2019, 01:41:26 pm »
Probably because "girls dressed sexy" includes a lot of content, just that she stands out because the intersection with "DIY electronics" is incredibly tiny. Also, some entertainment companies are getting away with that sort of content, which individual content creators aren't too happy about:

Cryptocurrency has taught me to love math and at the same time be baffled by it.

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« Reply #69 on: December 27, 2019, 03:05:09 pm »
Probably because "girls dressed sexy" includes a lot of content, just that she stands out because the intersection with "DIY electronics" is incredibly tiny. Also, some entertainment companies are getting away with that sort of content, which individual content creators aren't too happy about:


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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #70 on: December 27, 2019, 03:32:50 pm »
Guys, that's just too much weird science. No wonder there's so few women in engineering.

@EEVBlog : In Europe, is Google/YouTube a tech platform or an unregulated publisher, is a big debate. (Especially for regulators who grandstand in front of their own committees). The platform model certainly worked when YouTube was kids posting VGA quality cat videos or being America's idiot of the week on a skateboard; but with millions of hours of HD content and an infrastructure to insure legal compliance (moderation), is it still a platform for free speech? YouTube is a de facto BROADCASTER. They store content from producers, broadcast innumerable channels across multiple territories, then sell metrics and airtime to advertisers. This generates income for content producers who make more content for more revenue. YouTube effectively commissions production by offering a monetization path. So for unregulated publisher read unregulated broadcaster. It will be interesting to hear their explanation why their crypto crackdown turned into such a clusterf*k? Publish and be damned.

@legacy : are they saying her content is dangerous, or she is dangerous? A valid observation or a defamatory statement from a corporation that's too big to sue?
 
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #71 on: December 27, 2019, 04:37:34 pm »
@legacy : are they saying her content is dangerous, or she is dangerous? A valid observation or a defamatory statement from a corporation that's too big to sue?

my humor for the word "dangerous content", like if having a red-polarization could make a video "dangerous", etc. When it's perceived this way, it's clearly a bug in the AI.

She is not dangerous, and her videos are not dangerous. She is simply talking about movies, and she is a degree in film-criticism, but Youtube has several times demonetized (= hasn't paid for) any visualization of some of her videos.  Why does it happen? Because for the algorithm (aka the artificial intelligence) there are non-conformities probably due to her visual format.

It can be fixed,  and she can for sure unlock the pending payment, but I think she has to manually contact some human being in the YT team to sort it out.
 

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« Reply #72 on: December 27, 2019, 05:24:31 pm »
my humor for the word "dangerous content", like if having a red-polarization could make a video "dangerous", etc. When it's perceived this way, it's clearly a bug in the AI.

YouTube is NOT a publisher, but withholds payments to a content creator for violations? Sounds rather like the behaviour of a publisher to me. As for deciding if red is the new dead, it's actually a building of messed-in-the-head college kids who are forced to watch everything the A.I. system flags up. Maybe the guy who developed this sacred A.I. algorithm had previoulsy coded flight control systems at Boeing in South Carolina?
 

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« Reply #73 on: December 27, 2019, 10:36:53 pm »
Also, some entertainment companies are getting away with that sort of content, which individual content creators aren't too happy about:
It's not how she dresses or commercial vs individual, but the fact that unlike the others her sole purpose appears to be getting men off.
You know, there are other sites for that kind of shows :P
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #74 on: December 28, 2019, 12:01:06 am »
my humor for the word "dangerous content", like if having a red-polarization could make a video "dangerous", etc. When it's perceived this way, it's clearly a bug in the AI.

YouTube is NOT a publisher, but withholds payments to a content creator for violations? Sounds rather like the behaviour of a publisher to me.

Yeah, this point is very tricky, and a real mess.

The mere fact that Youtube can decide which content can stay on the "platform" and which can't makes it have prerogatives of a publisher. The fact it can withhold payments as well. As long as it has a say in the contents themselves, it's a publisher IMO. But they are probably working around that, at least for the pure censoring. They just say videos are censored when they are against the law. That in itself doesn't make them publishers, but just respecting laws... as to demonetizing, I don't know which category it falls in... they are probably just following their customers' wishes (the companies that pay for advertising). This doesn't make them publishers per se, but some sort of agent between the companies and the content creators.
 
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