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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #75 on: December 28, 2019, 12:56:08 am »
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #76 on: December 28, 2019, 01:05:19 am »
as to demonetizing, I don't know which category it falls in... they are probably just following their customers' wishes (the companies that pay for advertising). This doesn't make them publishers per se, but some sort of agent between the companies and the content creators.
What if we responded to demonetization with our own demonetization? In other words, use adblock.
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #77 on: December 28, 2019, 01:24:34 am »
my humor for the word "dangerous content", like if having a red-polarization could make a video "dangerous", etc. When it's perceived this way, it's clearly a bug in the AI.

YouTube is NOT a publisher, but withholds payments to a content creator for violations? Sounds rather like the behaviour of a publisher to me.

Yeah, this point is very tricky, and a real mess.

The mere fact that Youtube can decide which content can stay on the "platform" and which can't makes it have prerogatives of a publisher. The fact it can withhold payments as well. As long as it has a say in the contents themselves, it's a publisher IMO. But they are probably working around that, at least for the pure censoring. They just say videos are censored when they are against the law. That in itself doesn't make them publishers, but just respecting laws... as to demonetizing, I don't know which category it falls in... they are probably just following their customers' wishes (the companies that pay for advertising). This doesn't make them publishers per se, but some sort of agent between the companies and the content creators.
Well, Youtube is at least balancing somewhere between platform and publisher trying to be on the side which gets them most money for least effort. Is Youtube making money anyway? Last time I heard they where still making a loss.
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #78 on: December 28, 2019, 05:15:41 am »
Is it just me or is Rossmann now the go-to channel for cat videos?
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #79 on: December 28, 2019, 11:09:44 am »
Looks like YT have now admitted their mistake...

YouTube admits error over Bitcoin video purge
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50924494

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YouTube said in a statement that it had "made the wrong call" and confirmed that any content mistakenly removed would be restored.

"With the massive volume of videos on our site, sometimes we make the wrong call," it said.

"When it's brought to our attention that a video has been removed mistakenly, we act quickly to reinstate it."

It said there had been no changes to its polices, and insisted there would be "no penalty" to any channels that were affected by the incident.
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #80 on: December 28, 2019, 11:12:05 am »
Probably because "girls dressed sexy" includes a lot of content, just that she stands out because the intersection with "DIY electronics" is incredibly tiny. Also, some entertainment companies are getting away with that sort of content, which individual content creators aren't too happy about:
That comparison is not going to fly. Music videos and other 'commercial' content has already been censored / rated and thus can be assumed to be safe.
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #81 on: December 28, 2019, 11:21:17 am »
Looks like YT have now admitted their mistake...

YouTube admits error over Bitcoin video purge
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50924494

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YouTube said in a statement that it had "made the wrong call" and confirmed that any content mistakenly removed would be restored.

"With the massive volume of videos on our site, sometimes we make the wrong call," it said.

"When it's brought to our attention that a video has been removed mistakenly, we act quickly to reinstate it."

It said there had been no changes to its polices, and insisted there would be "no penalty" to any channels that were affected by the incident.

There are so many lies in their statement it's not funny.
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #82 on: December 29, 2019, 12:32:29 am »
"Making the wrong call" and "mistakenly remove" are not the same thing, aren't they.
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #83 on: December 29, 2019, 02:23:15 am »
Is it just me or is Rossmann now the go-to channel for cat videos?

No, I think Mike Jeavons still is the authority.
 
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #84 on: December 29, 2019, 05:00:56 am »
Looks like YT have now admitted their mistake...

YouTube admits error over Bitcoin video purge
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50924494

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YouTube said in a statement that it had "made the wrong call" and confirmed that any content mistakenly removed would be restored.

"With the massive volume of videos on our site, sometimes we make the wrong call," it said.

"When it's brought to our attention that a video has been removed mistakenly, we act quickly to reinstate it."

It said there had been no changes to its polices, and insisted there would be "no penalty" to any channels that were affected by the incident.

There are so many lies in their statement it's not funny.

They still don't say what triggered this targeted purge of crypto content.
That leaves us to ponder that it's either:
1) AI that has gone beserk on it's own with no input from humans. If so, why and how did it do so?
2) AI that has gone beserk based on some form of input or change from humans. If so, the question still remains why target crypto?
3) It was a high up policy decision made either internally, or forced on them by external actors. Cue the conspiracy theory music. If this is the case then my guess would be that external actors want pressure put on crypto and Youtube said "We'll try it and see what the backlash is". Once they saw the extreme heat, they backed down.
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #85 on: December 29, 2019, 05:05:41 am »
Looks like YT have now admitted their mistake...

YouTube admits error over Bitcoin video purge
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50924494

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YouTube said in a statement that it had "made the wrong call" and confirmed that any content mistakenly removed would be restored.

"With the massive volume of videos on our site, sometimes we make the wrong call," it said.

"When it's brought to our attention that a video has been removed mistakenly, we act quickly to reinstate it."

It said there had been no changes to its polices, and insisted there would be "no penalty" to any channels that were affected by the incident.

There are so many lies in their statement it's not funny.

They still don't say what triggered this targeted purge of crypto content.
That leaves us to ponder that it's either:
1) AI that has gone beserk on it's own with no input from humans. If so, why and how did it do so?
2) AI that has gone beserk based on some form of input or change from humans. If so, the question still remains why target crypto?
3) It was a high up policy decision made either internally, or forced on them by external actors. Cue the conspiracy theory music. If this is the case then my guess would be that external actors want pressure put on crypto and Youtube said "We'll try it and see what the backlash is". Once they saw the extreme heat, they backed down.

On the AI going berserk, I cannot accept that a company the size of youtube and the dollars involved that an AI would be permitted to, and for such a sustained period, delete so many vids and channels without intervention during the process.
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #86 on: December 29, 2019, 08:33:27 am »
On the AI going berserk, I cannot accept that a company the size of youtube and the dollars involved that an AI would be permitted to, and for such a sustained period, delete so many vids and channels without intervention during the process.

The other side of the coin, Youtube has grown so big and basically own the market, that they can simply say ... "DONT LIKE US ? TAKE A HIKE !!" ... as simple as that.
 
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #87 on: December 29, 2019, 08:51:42 am »
On the AI going berserk, I cannot accept that a company the size of youtube and the dollars involved that an AI would be permitted to, and for such a sustained period, delete so many vids and channels without intervention during the process.
I doubt it too and several of the people linked here complained that they appealed their strikes and haven't received an answer from humans for weeks. I take it was "wrong call" rather than "mistake", i.e. some not quite thought through internal policy change, perhaps under external pressure on "inspiration" or simply a test to see how much they can get away with in controlling this particular genre >:D

Either that or Youtube has reached AI singularity and computers are running the show now while humans can only try to save face and hide their lack of control behind doublespeak excuses ;D
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #88 on: December 29, 2019, 08:59:29 am »
Looks like YT have now admitted their mistake...

YouTube admits error over Bitcoin video purge
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50924494

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YouTube said in a statement that it had "made the wrong call" and confirmed that any content mistakenly removed would be restored.

"With the massive volume of videos on our site, sometimes we make the wrong call," it said.

"When it's brought to our attention that a video has been removed mistakenly, we act quickly to reinstate it."

It said there had been no changes to its polices, and insisted there would be "no penalty" to any channels that were affected by the incident.

There are so many lies in their statement it's not funny.

They still don't say what triggered this targeted purge of crypto content.
That leaves us to ponder that it's either:
1) AI that has gone beserk on it's own with no input from humans. If so, why and how did it do so?
2) AI that has gone beserk based on some form of input or change from humans. If so, the question still remains why target crypto?
3) It was a high up policy decision made either internally, or forced on them by external actors. Cue the conspiracy theory music. If this is the case then my guess would be that external actors want pressure put on crypto and Youtube said "We'll try it and see what the backlash is". Once they saw the extreme heat, they backed down.

On the AI going berserk, I cannot accept that a company the size of youtube and the dollars involved that an AI would be permitted to, and for such a sustained period, delete so many vids and channels without intervention during the process.

Yep, I'm being very generous by even suggesting that's a possibility.
Of course someone fiddled with the controls behind the curtain here. The question is who and why.
 
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #89 on: December 29, 2019, 09:00:39 am »
On the AI going berserk, I cannot accept that a company the size of youtube and the dollars involved that an AI would be permitted to, and for such a sustained period, delete so many vids and channels without intervention during the process.

The other side of the coin, Youtube has grown so big and basically own the market, that they can simply say ... "DONT LIKE US ? TAKE A HIKE !!" ... as simple as that.

But they still keep up the appearance and give lip service to caring. Watch any of Susan Alphabet's recent "interviews" with creators.
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #90 on: December 29, 2019, 09:02:28 am »
i.e. some not quite thought through internal policy change, perhaps under external pressure on "inspiration" or simply a test to see how much they can get away with in controlling this particular genre >:D

And that's the real interesting bit. Why was crypto targeted?, and under who's instruction?
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #91 on: December 29, 2019, 09:08:53 am »
The other side of the coin, Youtube has grown so big and basically own the market, that they can simply say ... "DONT LIKE US ? TAKE A HIKE !!" ... as simple as that.

But they still keep up the appearance and give lip service to caring. Watch any of Susan Alphabet's recent "interviews" with creators.

Of course, those are the real message that Google wants to convey, that whatever you (content creator) do, you will have the blessing from Google, as long you obey to what ever they want & say, don't even dare to ask why, let alone challenge them.

Isn't that clear enough ?

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #92 on: December 29, 2019, 09:11:51 am »
If I were the AI, or even a Youtube employee, I would quickly realize that BTC speculation can be much more profitable than hosting cat videos for free so the obvious thing to do appears to be using Youtube's influence to manipulate the market and insider trade on that :)

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NVM, I thought you were responding to the part about AI taking over |O :-DD
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #93 on: December 29, 2019, 11:08:47 am »
i.e. some not quite thought through internal policy change, perhaps under external pressure on "inspiration" or simply a test to see how much they can get away with in controlling this particular genre >:D

And that's the real interesting bit. Why was crypto targeted?, and under who's instruction?

But at least some (that I checked)  of Chris Dunn's videos you tweeted about are back online on YT now. If there were instructions to delete crypto then why even bother to restore access to them? As far as I can see these videos are likely to encourage people ignorant of the risks to get into into crypto investing that they'd be safer staying away from.

And the response of going to LBRY where the creators have set aside 10% of the pool of LBRY credits for themselves seems highly questionable and massively ironic.
 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #94 on: December 29, 2019, 11:30:46 am »
i.e. some not quite thought through internal policy change, perhaps under external pressure on "inspiration" or simply a test to see how much they can get away with in controlling this particular genre >:D

And that's the real interesting bit. Why was crypto targeted?, and under who's instruction?

But at least some (that I checked)  of Chris Dunn's videos you tweeted about are back online on YT now. If there were instructions to delete crypto then why even bother to restore access to them?

*insert conspiracy theory*

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And the response of going to LBRY where the creators have set aside 10% of the pool of LBRY credits for themselves seems highly questionable and massively ironic.

Completely fair. They have worked hard on this for years.
And you conveniently forgot to mention the part about them taking no cut at all of the LBRY trade from consumer to creator, and them only raising a paltry $500k in seed funding.
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #95 on: December 29, 2019, 11:49:04 am »
Could it be related with facebook's crypto currency and the news from Switzerland?

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« Reply #96 on: December 29, 2019, 07:06:09 pm »
YouTube is a publisher because it hosts and distributes content.

There is loads of misleading crap on YouTube which I'd love to be deleted such as the dangerous climate change and new ice age conspiracy theory channels. Lots of them seem to do very well and receive lots of money in sponsorship from companies with vested interests in it. I accept there is a valid argument of leaving all of that rubbish, in the spirit of free speech, but people are often too ignorant to distinguish between real and pseudoscience.

Cryptocurrencies are frequently used by criminals and scammers because they can't be traced. I've seen videos about scammers tricking people into opening cryptocurrency accounts to pay money into. Of course this doesn't mean that all crypto currency content is a scam, but YouTube's AI can't tell the difference. The problem is AI can't explain the reasoning behind its decisions which are the result of training. People will have reported scams involving cryptocurrencies and the AI would have learned to associate cryptocurrency with scams, hence the warnings.
 
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #97 on: December 30, 2019, 02:59:43 am »
My video I held off releasing:

 

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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #98 on: December 30, 2019, 03:07:27 am »
The funny thing is, years ago, on this forum, I sledged Dave for dropping the xml/rss stuff which I downloaded directly in favour of the wanky youtube ecosystem.

I still have the 720p podcast RSS version to this day 10 years later, hosting on my own server.
I'm the only creator I know that still does this.

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Youtubers that have already been demonetised for (((hate speech))) have mostly prospered by reaching out directly to retailers and advertisers who aren't so skittish about the content they are associated with.

Patreon is the thing that saved many of them, but they ironically ended up doing a similar thing that Youtube have done.

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The bottom line is if you have a vested interest in Google and/or Youtube, realise you need to sever the relationship before they do.
If you have a Youtube subscription list, download it to a file on you harddrive. That way, you have the control to re-find the content in which you enjoyed as it vanishes.

Any Youtuber who isn't automatically backing up their videos to at least LBRY and Bitchute is a fool. I've been saying this for years.
 
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Re: Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels?
« Reply #99 on: December 30, 2019, 03:19:31 am »
My video I held off releasing:



ur banned!


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