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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #100 on: April 27, 2022, 04:28:11 am »
Are newspapers still a thing? I get most of my news online, I browse a variety of news sites and try to interpolate the true story from what I find. I don't spend a lot of time on news though, most of it is depressing stuff I can't control anyway.

The free ones get thrown onto my front yard. They are good lighting the BBQ and keeping a stash in readiness for any more TP zombie apocalypse.
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #101 on: April 27, 2022, 08:43:12 am »
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Are newspapers still a thing?

I imagine so, but nowadays by 'newspaper' one tends to include the online simulacrum of same.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #102 on: April 27, 2022, 05:11:05 pm »
Are newspapers still a thing?

Yes of course they are. But if you only use their online counterparts, that's still the same content.

Problem is that the major ones, almost worldwide, have stopped being independent and almost all belong to large groups/billionaires with definite political agendas and tight links with governments. That's not good.
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #103 on: April 27, 2022, 05:29:02 pm »
The underlying problem is generally corporations are taking over government and that is ending the unpredictability (like democracy)  Of course all corporations want this, its been their goal since the 1930s to end the unpredictability of voting.

Otherwise, people could just vote whatever they wanted to happen. That would sometimes destroy the investments of corporations when the people didn't agree with them.  So there has been this huge change, that not many people know has happened. Its global and permanent.  And Nobody is about to announce this, ever. why would they?
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #104 on: April 27, 2022, 05:37:31 pm »
Simulacrum,
Its a word invented by Baudrillard, and a pretty descriptive/good one.
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #105 on: April 27, 2022, 05:42:49 pm »
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Otherwise, people could just vote whatever they wanted to happen.

Very unlikely, unfortunately. Or perhaps luckily, given what some people want!

The problem is you can't vote for a single thing. Well, you can, but doing so drags along several pages full of other manifesto commitments, many of which you might prefer to vote against in preference to the thing you want to vote for.

There is also the small problem of not being able to vote for something that isn't on offer. If, for instance, neither of the main parties in the UK say they will ban excessive profits from motorway service stations then no-one will be able to vote for that regardless of who they align behind.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #106 on: April 27, 2022, 05:46:49 pm »
Some of my friends who work in the infotainment industry tried to impress on me years ago what it was and that it wasn't "news". I should have listened to them earlier. I would have saved myself a lot of frustration.
Are newspapers still a thing? I get most of my news online, I browse a variety of news sites and try to interpolate the true story from what I find. I don't spend a lot of time on news though, most of it is depressing stuff I can't control anyway.
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #107 on: April 27, 2022, 06:25:15 pm »
Yes of course they are. But if you only use their online counterparts, that's still the same content.

Problem is that the major ones, almost worldwide, have stopped being independent and almost all belong to large groups/billionaires with definite political agendas and tight links with governments. That's not good.

I typically read the online text versions of the local TV news stations, I used to read some of the local newspapers online years ago but I think they all went behind paywalls at which point I stopped. The same problem of belonging to large groups with agendas is true to both though.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #108 on: April 27, 2022, 06:51:10 pm »
What else is there? Facebook?

Edit: I am not suggesting newspapers are the only source, but I'd like to know of a more credible source - if there isn't one then in writing off newspapers is a bit silly since whatever source you do use will be no better and probably worse.


what's facebook?
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #109 on: April 27, 2022, 07:55:53 pm »
They are infotainment..


Fecesbook is infotainment.. Its a lot like excrement..Monopoly privileges

What else is there? Facebook?

Edit: I am not suggesting newspapers are the only source, but I'd like to know of a more credible source - if there isn't one then in writing off newspapers is a bit silly since whatever source you do use will be no better and probably worse.


what's facebook?



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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #110 on: April 27, 2022, 11:14:01 pm »
Are newspapers still a thing?

Yes of course they are. But if you only use their online counterparts, that's still the same content.

Problem is that the major ones, almost worldwide, have stopped being independent and almost all belong to large groups/billionaires with definite political agendas and tight links with governments. That's not good.

A whole bunch of independent news channels have sprung up on Youtube, but they usually have a bent to them of some sort. But simply follow several of them if you want balanced coverage.
Doesn't help though that Youtube have publically admitted that these are not "authoritative sources" and so they algorithmically demote them.
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #111 on: April 27, 2022, 11:18:41 pm »
Do they publish what (they claim are)  "authoritative sources" ? Ive been looking for something on that for years..

in a sense its much like slavery, from the perspective of the slavers.
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #112 on: April 27, 2022, 11:50:49 pm »
Do they publish what are "authoritative sources" ? Ive been looking for something on that for years..

Off hand I'm not sure, but it's a very public policy.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #113 on: April 28, 2022, 12:42:37 am »
Do they publish what are "authoritative sources" ? Ive been looking for something on that for years..

Off hand I'm not sure, but it's a very public policy.

YT automatically flags videos that it detects as dealing with a current political/medical/... you name it/ topic, and gives what it thinks is the official source of information for this. Usually, a government agency of some kind.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #114 on: April 28, 2022, 07:43:10 pm »
Do they publish what are "authoritative sources" ? Ive been looking for something on that for years..

Off hand I'm not sure, but it's a very public policy.

YT automatically flags videos that it detects as dealing with a current political/medical/... you name it/ topic, and gives what it thinks is the official source of information for this. Usually, a government agency of some kind.

Authorities. Maybe big corporations, governments, etc. ? YouTube is generally more interesting (to me) than Twitter.
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #115 on: April 29, 2022, 02:14:01 am »
Do they publish what are "authoritative sources" ? Ive been looking for something on that for years..

Off hand I'm not sure, but it's a very public policy.

YT automatically flags videos that it detects as dealing with a current political/medical/... you name it/ topic, and gives what it thinks is the official source of information for this. Usually, a government agency of some kind.

In the case of political stories, "authoritatvie sources" like the mainstream media. Independent news sources get absolutely crushed in algorithm. You can't even find their stuff with exact title searches, just like the issue with Naomi.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #116 on: April 29, 2022, 02:51:07 am »
If Even if you type her name, you can't find "Naomi Wu"  thats bad.. that's just evil.. Anybody would feel snubbed.. Hopefully thats not the case (afraid to look, but I could see that happening)

Its not, a search by name finds her.. good..
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #117 on: April 29, 2022, 02:55:15 am »
Do they publish what are "authoritative sources" ? Ive been looking for something on that for years..

Off hand I'm not sure, but it's a very public policy.

I'd like to know if you find asny written policy.. For example, there is a meta description tag..an xml format for source verification.. by fsct checker sites - wish I could use it to provide source info.. and have it picked up consistently..
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #118 on: April 29, 2022, 02:55:24 am »
Perhaps someone should write a browser extension that blacklists (filters out) mainstream media junk, flat earth junk channels, etc. from Youtube search results with the user being able to select what to blacklist.
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« Reply #119 on: April 29, 2022, 10:40:34 am »
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for source verification.. by fsct checker sites

Who fact checks the fact checkers?

Seriously. At the last election there were 'fact checking' websites run by one side or the other to a) confirm whatever that party wanted to push, and b) diss the other side's claims.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #120 on: April 29, 2022, 10:50:29 am »
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for source verification.. by fsct checker sites

Who fact checks the fact checkers?

Seriously. At the last election there were 'fact checking' websites run by one side or the other to a) confirm whatever that party wanted to push, and b) diss the other side's claims.

Fact checkers are invariably just journalists, who lack the technical competence in the subject they're supposed to be verifying. Even experts aren't 100% certain of the facts, which has often been the case over the pandemic. Official bodies often get it wrong, or only accept facts which support their policies/agenda. I'm very skeptical when only one narrative is accepted to be true, by the mainstream media.
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #121 on: April 29, 2022, 11:03:20 am »
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for source verification.. by fsct checker sites

Who fact checks the fact checkers?

Seriously. At the last election there were 'fact checking' websites run by one side or the other to a) confirm whatever that party wanted to push, and b) diss the other side's claims.

Fact checkers are invariably just journalists, who lack the technical competence in the subject they're supposed to be verifying. Even experts aren't 100% certain of the facts, which has often been the case over the pandemic. Official bodies often get it wrong, or only accept facts which support their policies/agenda. I'm very skeptical when only one narrative is accepted to be true, by the mainstream media.

Once you make peace with fact that the modern fact checker doesn't tend to hold facts as the top priority in their quest, well..

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #122 on: April 29, 2022, 11:11:27 am »
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for source verification.. by fsct checker sites

Who fact checks the fact checkers?

Seriously. At the last election there were 'fact checking' websites run by one side or the other to a) confirm whatever that party wanted to push, and b) diss the other side's claims.
As I hear, people who do fact checking have burnout problems faster than the average JS programmer.
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #123 on: April 29, 2022, 04:20:05 pm »
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Fact checkers are invariably just journalists

Proper ones, no doubt. What I'm pointing out is that there were/are essentially fake fact checkers who look like the real thing (unless you know something they are pushing is wrong). How do you know the checkers you are looking at are pukka fact checkers?

Traditionally, you could rely on mainstream newspapers and TV because if they were pulling a fast one (that was bad enough) they would be called out by the oversight organisation. Sure, there would be bias but outright fibbing would have to be corrected. The likes of YouTube channels... well, not so much. The web... lol.
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #124 on: April 29, 2022, 05:27:45 pm »
That was then. Now, this journalistic ethic has left several major media corporations and what remains are activists - these are one part of the body of authoritative sources and anything posted that contradicted them was censored by the tech overlords. Fact checkers also rely on them, carefully selecting the bias du jour when making their judgment calls. A journalist named Tim Pool noticed that quite early and created a media company so it could act as an authoritative source and have a leg to stand against some of the excess of these guys.

Another authoritative source is the government: with the deep divide currently present in politics, their value is close to nil.

So, IMHO the only reliable authoritative source is indeed research done by oneself... Just like many here already suggested.
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