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Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
ve7xen:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on May 04, 2022, 05:58:09 am ---You conflate two completely separate things:
1) What a person in a news organization chooses to write about
2) What an organization forbids discussion about
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No, you are the one conflating several concepts here. Whether you belive it is right or wrong ethically, YouTube et. al. are not obligated to publish anything, and it is absurd to suggest that they are.
Journalists are individuals, and can choose to write about whatever they went, though society should hold them to high standards of integrity that includes verifying sources and doing actual original research so that we don't have to. This used to be relatively 'easy', because widely distributing information required large networks and expensive equipment, the cost of which stood as a gatekeeper. Irresponsible 'journalists', when identified, shouldn't be published, and should be relegated to standing on their soapbox and handing out pamphlets on the street, and that is how journalism has ostensibly worked for 100s of years.
The internet has made it difficult to discern who is a journalist in the true sense and who is peddling unfounded outrage, conspiracy, and hate. YouTube et. al. are realizing they have some of the ethical responsibility of old-school news organizations to keep those crazies on the street with their pamphlets, and not give them front page headlines. This is, for whatever it's worth, still much more liberal and free than a few newspapers having a monopoly on reporting.
--- Quote ---Again, the Hunter Biden laptop case is a perfect example. Hard evidence existed, it was just labeled as "Trump campaign product" and "Russian misinformation", and therefore not to be discussed in media.
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Really, this is the best example you have? A random laptop of unknown origin from a random repair shop claimed to contain supposedly incriminating files about the POTUS right in the middle of an election campaign? That is suspicious as all hell and journalists and others should hesitate to trust anything it contains. Years later and only recently has any of this been verified, and it's still highly dubious. This is exactly the kind of garbage that ethical journalists would avoid publishing during an election.
--- Quote ---No matter of personal :wtf: changes the fact that no media organization is to be trusted to define what is true and what is not, no matter what their political leanings are.
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Truth exists, it's not defined. Whether you trust media organizations and journalists to report exclusively on the truth or not is up to you, but that is their role in society, and we should hold them to it, not allow media to devolve into a political pissing match where the truth is hidden and nobody is going to help you find it.
wraper:
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 04, 2022, 04:58:57 pm ---No, you are twisting my words around. What I'm saying is that it is best to wait for the scientific community (as a whole) to take a position on a subject instead of jumping to conclusions based on messages / videos circulating on social media. Science is truth by broad concensus; not what a single person thinks is true. The problem however is that the public doesn't want to wait that long.
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WTF "scientific community" actually means? Who makes an actual decision? Certainly not scientists who more often than not have different opinions about anything other than trivial topics. And how do you effing quantify the opinion of scientific community to begin with?
wraper:
--- Quote from: ve7xen on May 04, 2022, 05:04:53 pm ---Really, this is the best example you have? A random laptop of unknown origin from a random repair shop claimed to contain supposedly incriminating files about the POTUS right in the middle of an election campaign? That is suspicious as all hell and journalists and others should hesitate to trust anything it contains. Years later and only recently has any of this been verified, and it's still highly dubious. This is exactly the kind of garbage that ethical journalists would avoid publishing during an election.
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Really? And what about Trump Russiagate which turned out to be a total hoax with no real evidence? None of those "ethical journalists" hesitated to publish a total trash for years, which hindered Trump presidency and reelection. Laptop on other hand turned out to be completely real. And the result of this "responsible journalism" is a corrupt to the bones president with Dementia.
james_s:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 04, 2022, 06:35:19 am ---Men are really identifying as female to be allowed into women's prisons, hospitals, changing rooms etc. This isn't the only case of a woman being raped by a man, claiming to be a women. I dare say there are a greater number of men who are prepared to lie to get access to vulnerable women, than there are genuine transgender women, especially criminals destined for prison. It is a problem.
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I sincerely hope to never have the opportunity, but I think if I were headed to prison I would very seriously contemplate claiming to be transgender in order to be placed in a women's facility. Not because I want access to vulnerable women but because it seems likely to be a considerably safer environment away from the masses of violent incarcerated males.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: james_s on May 04, 2022, 05:14:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 04, 2022, 06:35:19 am ---Men are really identifying as female to be allowed into women's prisons, hospitals, changing rooms etc. This isn't the only case of a woman being raped by a man, claiming to be a women. I dare say there are a greater number of men who are prepared to lie to get access to vulnerable women, than there are genuine transgender women, especially criminals destined for prison. It is a problem.
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I sincerely hope to never have the opportunity, but I think if I were headed to prison I would very seriously contemplate claiming to be transgender in order to be placed in a women's facility. Not because I want access to vulnerable women but because it seems likely to be a considerably safer environment away from the masses of violent incarcerated males.
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Me too. lol
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 04, 2022, 04:28:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 04, 2022, 03:46:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 04, 2022, 03:15:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: ve7xen on May 04, 2022, 05:41:49 am ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on May 04, 2022, 05:13:24 am ---Journalists are not supposed to be the guardians of truth! They are not the watchdogs of the population, they are the watchdogs of the powers that be!
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YouTube et al are not journalists, nor are (most of) their users. That is the problem. If they were, they would vet their sources, do proper research, and censor unreliable information before publishing it...
They are platforms that host user generated content, and an entirely different thing. It is well within their rights and perfectly reasonable for them to censor the content they choose to host. I do think they have some ethical responsibility to at least make a good-faith effort to stem the spread of scams, misinformation, and hate on their platforms, but ultimately it is up to them. There is certainly no reason Google or anyone else should be obligated to host or publish any content on behalf of their users, especially if they believe it is harmful/misleading, which is in effect what you are saying.
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Indeed. Most of the junk that goes against what is scientifically accepted as being true (or at least the best possible assumption) can go into the bin. There is too much noise nowadays which is echoed and amplified by people that have no clue at all and really need protection to prevent harming themselves and others.
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What's scientifically accepted to be true changes. Remember, back in February/March 2020, we were told face masks were ineffective at preventing the spread of COVID-19, then a few months later, the position was reversed? It turns out that there wasn't much real world evidence to support them back then. There were a few lab experiments, involving cages of animals infected, with a cloth cover placed over the cages and computer simulations, but nothing concrete.
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That is how science works and why I wrote 'the best possible assumption'.
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How do you think science works? If you don't know, it involves people discussing different possible theories and the evidence to support them.
That can't happen on social media given the current levels of censorship. As I said before, even the British Medical Journal was censored by Facebook. Freedom of speech is essential for science to evolve. Without it, we go back to the Middle Ages, when only theories accepted by the authorities prevail. You must've heard of Galileo.
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--- Quote ---Fortunately, a study was done in Bangladesh last year. It shows surgical masks reduce the spread by 11%, yet cloth masks didn't have a statistically significant effect. Great, you'd expect the mainstream media would report this and governments would start recommending people wear proper surgical masks, but no, ineffective cloth masks prevailed. :palm:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02457-y
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That depends per country where some countries choose not to change their position on the type of masks to avoid a new tsunami of fake news on social media that (in the big picture) has a detrimental effect on the society. IMHO the real problem is that people are insecure and want answers to their worries and many don't care that they get the wrong answer as long as they get an answer. This opens a whole can of worms; like how religions are being used as crowd control.
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Given that all countries I'm aware of recommend/mandate cloth, rather than surgical masks, most of the worlds' governments are equally incompetent then.
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