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Zero999:
I think most people are clever enough to know if it's from RT, it's Russian propaganda, just as most people know the BBC push western propaganda.


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--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on May 04, 2022, 06:27:12 pm ---Am I the only one who has noted the lack of nuance in position in the things discussed in this thread?  That somehow, only two possibilities seem to exist?  That you either accept the Hunter Biden laptop proves Joe Biden is a crook, or you accept that it is a hoax?  Nothing exists in between.
"Either you are with us, or you are an enemy to be utterly destroyed before you destroy us."

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That is what you are making of it. The reality is that the story is simply too thin for any paper to write it on. That should be a very clear sign! If there really was a story, the Republicans would have ran a marathon with it and go for an impeachment. And there is plenty of nuance in this thread but you are simply not seeing it.

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The problem is, most news outlets, educational facilities and social media companies, in the US have a pro-Democrat bias. This is reflected on Wikipedia, which as I said before, even the left-wing Guardian paper considers to be pro-Democrat. It's fairly obvious they did their very best to ensure Trump was not re-elected. The Republicans do make a big deal out of it. Watch Fox News and conservative YouTubers and you'll find they talk about it a lot. We don't hear about it much in Europe because Trump is anti-EU, so our mainstream media also dislike him.

Note that I have no interest in the matter and consider both the current and previous US presidents to be as bad as each other, in different ways.
eugene:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 04, 2022, 07:52:18 pm ---I think most people are clever enough to know if it's from RT, it's Russian propaganda, just as most people know the BBC push western propaganda.

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I really wish that were true. Unfortunately, the current condition in the US (at least the US, probably elsewhere too) is a deep divide between two groups that simply cannot comprehend the what the other is seeing. I know that I'm guilty myself. My own political views seem so obviously true that I'm sure every sane intelligent person agrees with me. Those that don't must be either stupid or deliberately crooked, right?

Given two presidents, A and B, very close to half of the population believes that A is truthfull with only good intentions while B is a filthy and corrupt. Meanwhile, the other half believe that A lies about everything for purely personal gain but B wears a white hat with the best of intentions for the country. It would seem that we can't count on the individual to see the truth without a lot of help.

It's a dumbfounding situation, but I can't think of any way to make it work other than to allow everyone to speak their piece, then provide close analysis and scrutiny of what was said by multiple 'experts'. Of course in practice, this hardly works because people listen to the experts that support whatever they already believe... Maybe more experts to fact check the first experts? Well, yeah, that's what free speech is supposed to be, but it doesn't seem to be freeing us from the circle that goes nowhere.
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: eugene on May 04, 2022, 08:31:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 04, 2022, 07:52:18 pm ---I think most people are clever enough to know if it's from RT, it's Russian propaganda, just as most people know the BBC push western propaganda.

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I really wish that were true. Unfortunately, the current condition in the US (at least the US, probably elsewhere too) is a deep divide between two groups

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I think that's the whole point. People shoud maybe read Machiavelli.
MK14:

--- Quote from: coppice on May 04, 2022, 12:14:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: MK14 on May 04, 2022, 12:10:05 pm ---So, it is not TOTALLY UNREASONABLE, for the people, Nominal Animal was talking to, to call them a "conspiracy theorist". Or if it was (unreasonable), it was not unreasonable for them to dispute the truthfulness of that story circulating at the time.

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It is TOTALLY UNREASONABLE to call someone a conspiracy theorist, based on them not agreeing with the mainstream media. The mainstream media is the main source of conspiracy theories these days.

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Media can get VERY complicated these days.  Several decades ago, things were much simpler. No internet, a range of newspapers, and only a handful of TV channels.  These days, with the explosion of the internet, with a mindbogglingly huge range of websites, hundreds or even thousands of TV channels to choose from, mobile phone communications, etc.
In addition to all of the above, we can get almost live pictures, from peoples mobile phones. Showing actual (almost) live events happen in front of them, posted onto social media, and other internet places. E.g. At the start of the Russian/Ukrainian war, mobile phone footage of Russian missiles, heading towards and blowing up parts of a Ukrainian airport, were widely circulated.

So in modern times.  It is somewhat or more, different, to e.g. World War 2.  Which was limited to some film footage (usually Black and White), Radio (very little or no TV) and newspapers.

With youtube, just about anyone, with a mobile phone, and internet connection.  Can rapidly post videos, of almost anything.  Including significantly political/war/current news events.  Which has a tendency to move the news media/TV out of the hands of government control.  With some exceptions, like the Great Internet Firewall of China.
EDIT: typos.
SiliconWizard:
And yet, despite this somewhat unreasonable number of sources of information we have now, what I find amazing is that it's every bit as easy to manipulate the public opinion these days than it ever was, if not easier. =)
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