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« Reply #250 on: May 04, 2022, 09:28:09 pm »
I think most people are clever enough to know if it's from RT, it's Russian propaganda, just as most people know the BBC push western propaganda.

I really wish that were true. Unfortunately, the current condition in the US (at least the US, probably elsewhere too) is a deep divide between two groups that simply cannot comprehend the what the other is seeing. I know that I'm guilty myself. My own political views seem so obviously true that I'm sure every sane intelligent person agrees with me. Those that don't must be either stupid or deliberately crooked, right?

Given two presidents, A and B, very close to half of the population believes that A is truthfull with only good intentions while B is a filthy and corrupt. Meanwhile, the other half believe that A lies about everything for purely personal gain but B wears a white hat with the best of intentions for the country. It would seem that we can't count on the individual to see the truth without a lot of help.

It's a dumbfounding situation, but I can't think of any way to make it work other than to allow everyone to speak their piece, then provide close analysis and scrutiny of what was said by multiple 'experts'. Of course in practice, this hardly works because people listen to the experts that support whatever they already believe... Maybe more experts to fact check the first experts? Well, yeah, that's what free speech is supposed to be, but it doesn't seem to be freeing us from the circle that goes nowhere.
Whilst you''re right of course. What you said wasn't applicable to the part of my post you quoted. I repeat: any idiot can see the British Broadcasting Cooperation, pushes a British i.e. western perspective on things, whilst Russia Today, does exactly the opposite.

Regarding the US presidents: Some people in the UK hate Trump because our mainstream media do, for others it's some of the bollocks he spoke on social media, but a good number of people here love him for being pro-Brexit and anti-immigration. A lot of people here like Biden because he's calm, compared to Trump and the BBC love him, whilst other hate him because they deem him to be incompetent and ineffectual.

So, it is not TOTALLY UNREASONABLE, for the people, Nominal Animal was talking to, to call them a "conspiracy theorist". Or if it was (unreasonable), it was not unreasonable for them to dispute the truthfulness of that story circulating at the time.
It is TOTALLY UNREASONABLE to call someone a conspiracy theorist, based on them not agreeing with the mainstream media. The mainstream media is the main source of conspiracy theories these days.

Media can get VERY complicated these days.  Several decades ago, things were much simpler. No internet, a range of newspapers, and only a handful of TV channels.  These days, with the explosion of the internet, with a mindbogglingly huge range of websites, hundreds or even thousands of TV channels to choose from, mobile phone communications, etc.
In addition to all of the above, we can get almost live pictures, from peoples mobile phones. Showing actual (almost) live events happen in front of them, posted onto social media, and other internet places. E.g. At the start of the Russian/Ukrainian war, mobile phone footage of Russian missiles, heading towards and blowing up parts of a Ukrainian airport, were widely circulated.

So in modern times.  It is somewhat or more, different, to e.g. World War 2.  Which was limited to some film footage (usually Black and White), Radio (very little or no TV) and newspapers.

With youtube, just about anyone, with a mobile phone, and internet connection.  Can rapidly post videos, of almost anything.  Including significantly political/war/current news events.  Which has a tendency to move the news media/TV out of the hands of government control.  With some exceptions, like the Great Internet Firewall of China.
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I think it's more difficult to manipulate everyone into thinking the same nowadays. There are good number of sources of information, on the Internet. which contradict the narrative put out by the BBC. During WW2 newspapers as well as the BBC pumped out nothing but anti-German propaganda. Nowadays it's possible to access alternative viewpoints on the Russian-Ukraine war.
 
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« Reply #251 on: May 04, 2022, 09:44:11 pm »
I think most people are clever enough to know if it's from RT, it's Russian propaganda, just as most people know the BBC push western propaganda.

I really wish that were true. [...]
Whilst you''re right of course. What you said wasn't applicable to the part of my post you quoted.

Point taken.
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« Reply #252 on: May 04, 2022, 09:49:26 pm »
And yet, despite this somewhat unreasonable number of sources of information we have now, what I find amazing is that it's every bit as easy to manipulate the public opinion these days than it ever was, if not easier. =)
I don't think it ever was difficult. It is just that more parties are screaming for attention nowadays. Organised religion has been the defacto standard to control the massed for eons until book printing was invented.
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« Reply #253 on: May 04, 2022, 09:51:38 pm »
I think it's more difficult to manipulate everyone into thinking the same nowadays. There are good number of sources of information, on the Internet. which contradict the narrative put out by the BBC. During WW2 newspapers as well as the BBC pumped out nothing but anti-German propaganda. Nowadays it's possible to access alternative viewpoints on the Russian-Ukraine war.
War is a special case, where honesty is defenestrated by all. However, until the late 80s the media largely distorted, rather than lied, because there was an assumption that there would be backlash to outright lies. Then they found that when they did tell unambiguous lies they could usually get away with a minor retraction at the bottom of page 27, or on the 3AM news update. That's when the news media really began to steep itself in fiction.
 
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« Reply #254 on: May 04, 2022, 10:02:38 pm »
Whilst you''re right of course. What you said wasn't applicable to the part of my post you quoted. I repeat: any idiot can see the British Broadcasting Cooperation, pushes a British i.e. western perspective on things, whilst Russia Today, does exactly the opposite.

Regarding the US presidents: Some people in the UK hate Trump because our mainstream media do, for others it's some of the bollocks he spoke on social media, but a good number of people here love him for being pro-Brexit and anti-immigration. A lot of people here like Biden because he's calm, compared to Trump and the BBC love him, whilst other hate him because they deem him to be incompetent and ineffectual.
What  I see is that we've been polarized beyond any recognition. The two political parties, or left and right in general have less and less common ground in the past 8-10 years, and I see this worldwide.
You either a leftist, who is going to force woke nonsense in every television program, and going to censor free speech (which BTW happened to every socialist country without exception) and take the rights of individuals.
Or you are right wing, who is a practically a nazi, and doesn't believe in vaccines and rides a Ford F150 to the gun store.

There is nothing in between for reasonable people. Both sides find the other completely despicable. What we have now was used to be called far left and far right.
Honestly, this entire western political system could use a bit of a reset, with more parties. How about having parties (that actually get votes) that don't have an opinion and policy on everything? But that's not going to happen, because of the polarization, if the other party wins, is just literally going to trash your life with it's policies.
That was true during the run up to Brexit, but it doesn't seem to be the case i the UK now. We have the Labour party, who openly promote immigration and the Conservative party who claim to be tough on immigration, yet in reality are just as keen. Both parties have similar policies on the National Health Service and they both supported the anti-COVID measures. Labour are very woke. The Conservatives are less so.

I wouldn't vote for either main parties. I side with the right on some aspects: anti-woke/immigration, yet the left on others: invest more in educating the poor, diverting council tax from richer to poorer areas, although I don't support any tax increases over all, just collect it more effectively and spend more efficiently.

I think it's more difficult to manipulate everyone into thinking the same nowadays. There are good number of sources of information, on the Internet. which contradict the narrative put out by the BBC. During WW2 newspapers as well as the BBC pumped out nothing but anti-German propaganda. Nowadays it's possible to access alternative viewpoints on the Russian-Ukraine war.
War is a special case, where honesty is defenestrated by all. However, until the late 80s the media largely distorted, rather than lied, because there was an assumption that there would be backlash to outright lies. Then they found that when they did tell unambiguous lies they could usually get away with a minor retraction at the bottom of page 27, or on the 3AM news update. That's when the news media really began to steep itself in fiction.

That's true to a degree. Back then newspapers were more of a thing and had some influence. They ere also good at counteracting the BBC to some extent. Now the Internet serves that purpose, with a far greater diversity of views present.
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #255 on: May 04, 2022, 10:10:55 pm »
I think it's more difficult to manipulate everyone into thinking the same nowadays. There are good number of sources of information, on the Internet. which contradict the narrative put out by the BBC. During WW2 newspapers as well as the BBC pumped out nothing but anti-German propaganda. Nowadays it's possible to access alternative viewpoints on the Russian-Ukraine war.

In the past, I think some countries, would 'bomb' (airdrop) propaganda leaflets, into (usually enemy) countries.  To attempt to help with the war effort.  Something like that, perhaps with a more modern technical/digital/internet twist to it, could be repeated these days.  Perhaps to attempt to tell the Russian people, what is really going on, as regards the horrible Russian/Ukraine conflict.
Maybe by using powerful external directional radio transmissions, from western free-speech sources, into Russian territories.  Possibly by infuriating the Russian Internet infrastructure, is practicable/possible.

Perhaps, put a modern twist into it.  By creating millions of USB pens, full of the necessary news articles, from the west. PDFs/HTML and so forth.  Then dropping or distributing, or otherwise making them available to Russians.  Maybe hand boxes of them to 'friendly' Russians, who are happy to spread out such information, to their population.  Ideally without getting caught, and being given a 15 year prison sentence, worse.

The various alternative news sources, are useful.  Especially for getting a broader, less partly-scripted, views of what is going on, and other peoples opinions.  The official news sources, although I appreciate their basic integrity, truthfulness and lack of unsure political interference in their operations.  Political correctness, seems to have invaded too much.  To the point that it can actually affect, the quality and usefulness of the stories, being pushed out.
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #256 on: May 04, 2022, 10:16:29 pm »
Google originated in an NSF-funded project, not a corporation..  One generally open to college students, education which is increasingly only available to the fairly wealthy. The Clinton Administration made student loan debt undischargeable in bankruptcy..

 https://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_summ.jsp?cntn_id=100660

There really are no alternative news sources of any note in the US of today, any more, because of various tactics, such as information gerrymandering.. monly two right wing parties and six cororations in the media.. which own countless smaller companies..and control the news..This is consistant with would be Empires.. The US has been plagued with lots of propaganda on the net since around 2013. They use our tax money for it, even though most Americans hate the idea. We have no choice in the matter.  The opublic outlet VOA is not what I mean, thats better than average. What bugs me is their paying news media not usually bloggers to parrot official memes.. etc. Stop spending our money to spin the facts..leave whatever happens alone..EU may do this too..

They should be prohibited from trying to spin the news at all. Since they are government employees.. Certainly its evil to promote a corporate hegemony oriented state. Or company.
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« Reply #257 on: May 04, 2022, 10:52:00 pm »
What Google is doing, with their six Declarations to knowledge (They are asserting that its theirs, stealing it all) is much like the the Spanish Conquests "Requirimento" See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Requirement_of_1513 (also called the Requirimento) IT was read to native villages before attacking and looting them.

That should be studied because it framed the entire conquest of the Amercas for the European kings and queens..Google even created  A Declaration that parrots it. Every act of indigenous resistance was framed by Columbus and his heirs in the government of Spain  as "revolt" thereby legitimating brutal retaliation.Burning entire villages in the dead of the night and hanging women in public view..

Text of Spain's formal "Requirimento" authorizing themselves to steal the New World:

On behalf of the King, Don Fernando, and of Doña Juana I, his daughter, Queen of Castille and León, subduers of the barbarous nations, we their servants notify and make known to you, as best we can, that the Lord our God, Living and Eternal, created the Heaven and the Earth, and one man and one woman, of whom you and we, all the men of the world at the time, were and are descendants, and all those who came after and before us. But, on account of the multitude which has sprung from this man and woman in the five thousand or even more years since the world was created, it was necessary that some men should go one way and some another, and that they should be divided into many kingdoms and provinces, for in one alone they could not be sustained.
Of all these nations God our Lord gave charge to one man, called St. Peter, that he should be Lord and Superior of all the men in the world, that all should obey him, and that he should be the head of the whole Human Race, wherever men should live, and under whatever law, sect, or belief they should be; and he gave him the world for his kingdom and jurisdiction.
And he commanded him to place his seat in Rome, as the spot most fitting to rule the world from; but also he permitted him to have his seat in any other part of the world, and to judge and govern all Christians, Moors, Jews, Gentiles, and all other Sects. This man was called Pope, as if to say, Admirable Great Father and Governor of men. The men who lived in that time obeyed that St. Peter, and took him for Lord, King, and Superior of the universe; so also they have regarded the others who after him have been elected to the pontificate, and so has it been continued even till now, and will continue till the end of the world.
One of these Pontiffs, who succeeded that St. Peter as Lord of the world, in the dignity and seat which I have before mentioned, made donation of these isles and Tierra-firme to the aforesaid King and Queen and to their successors, our lords, with all that there are in these territories, as is contained in certain writings which passed upon the subject as aforesaid, which you can see if you wish.
So their Highnesses are kings and lords of these islands and land of Tierra-firme by virtue of this donation: and some islands, and indeed almost all those to whom this has been notified, have received and served their Highnesses, as lords and kings, in the way that subjects ought to do, with good will, without any resistance, immediately, without delay, when they were informed of the aforesaid facts. And also they received and obeyed the priests whom their Highnesses sent to preach to them and to teach them our Holy Faith; and all these, of their own free will, without any reward or condition, have become Christians, and are so, and their Highnesses have joyfully and benignantly received them, and also have commanded them to be treated as their subjects and vassals; and you too are held and obliged to do the same. Wherefore, as best we can, we ask and require you that you consider what we have said to you, and that you take the time that shall be necessary to understand and deliberate upon it, and that you acknowledge the Church as the Ruler and Superior of the whole world, and the high priest called Pope, and in his name the King and Queen Doña Juana our lords, in his place, as superiors and lords and kings of these islands and this Tierra-firme by virtue of the said donation, and that you consent and give place that these religious fathers should declare and preach to you the aforesaid.
If you do so, you will do well, and that which you are obliged to do to their Highnesses, and we in their name shall receive you in all love and charity, and shall leave you, your wives, and your children, and your lands, free without servitude, that you may do with them and with yourselves freely that which you like and think best, and they shall not compel you to turn Christians, unless you yourselves, when informed of the truth, should wish to be converted to our Holy Catholic Faith, as almost all the inhabitants of the rest of the islands have done. And, besides this, their Highnesses will award you many privileges and exemptions and will grant you many benefits.
But, if you do not do this, and maliciously make delay in it, I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter into your country, and shall make war against you in all ways and manners that we can, and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church and of their Highnesses; we shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them as their Highnesses may command; and we shall take away your goods, and shall do you all the mischief and damage that we can, as to vassals who do not obey, and refuse to receive their lord, and resist and contradict him; and we protest that the deaths and losses which shall accrue from this are your fault, and not that of their Highnesses, or ours, nor of these cavaliers who come with us. And that we have said this to you and made this Requisition, we request the notary here present to give us his testimony in writing, and we ask the rest who are present that they should be witnesses of this Requisition.[8]
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« Reply #258 on: May 04, 2022, 11:54:17 pm »
I think most people are clever enough to know if it's from RT, it's Russian propaganda, just as most people know the BBC push western propaganda.

I really wish that were true. Unfortunately, the current condition in the US (at least the US, probably elsewhere too) is a deep divide between two groups that simply cannot comprehend the what the other is seeing. I know that I'm guilty myself. My own political views seem so obviously true that I'm sure every sane intelligent person agrees with me. Those that don't must be either stupid or deliberately crooked, right?

Given two presidents, A and B, very close to half of the population believes that A is truthfull with only good intentions while B is a filthy and corrupt. Meanwhile, the other half believe that A lies about everything for purely personal gain but B wears a white hat with the best of intentions for the country. It would seem that we can't count on the individual to see the truth without a lot of help.

It's a dumbfounding situation, but I can't think of any way to make it work other than to allow everyone to speak their piece, then provide close analysis and scrutiny of what was said by multiple 'experts'. Of course in practice, this hardly works because people listen to the experts that support whatever they already believe... Maybe more experts to fact check the first experts? Well, yeah, that's what free speech is supposed to be, but it doesn't seem to be freeing us from the circle that goes nowhere.
Whilst you''re right of course. What you said wasn't applicable to the part of my post you quoted. I repeat: any idiot can see the British Broadcasting Cooperation, pushes a British i.e. western perspective on things, whilst Russia Today, does exactly the opposite.

Regarding the US presidents: Some people in the UK hate Trump because our mainstream media do, for others it's some of the bollocks he spoke on social media, but a good number of people here love him for being pro-Brexit and anti-immigration. A lot of people here like Biden because he's calm, compared to Trump and the BBC love him, whilst other hate him because they deem him to be incompetent and ineffectual.

In retrospect, I think you might have missed my point. At least in the US, a significant portion of the population (maybe almost everyone) doesn't look at two news sources (RT and BBC for example) and recognize that both are pushing propaganda. They see one as pushing propaganda for entirely self serving purposes and the other as heroically providing the truth for the good of all. This breeds an out of control rivalry that results in absolute closed mindedness. A total stalemate.

Certainly there have been plenty of examples of politicians acting more in the interest of themselves and those that support them, but even with my own biases I understand that most politicians have goals they generally believe to be for the public good. I might or might not agree with them. I might have some seriously concerns about their mental health. But I don't believe that they're knowingly trying to achieve personal gains at the expense of the public. Hopefully you understand things in the same way.

Unfortunately, the real problem I see is that a significant majority of Americans don't understand things this way. There's evidence in the way I increasingly notice politicians and journalists use the phrase "the other side" when they are really thinking "the enemy." An adversarial stance is understood and expected, maybe even healthy. But what I see in practice is not healthy. It's a very unhealthy belief that the enemy's primary objective is complete annihilation of everything one believes to be right and good. So they need to be destroyed before they destroy us.

The problem that I'm pointing at is evidenced by news media, but only because the news media is composed of citizens. It's the citizens that scare the hell out of me, whether they're reporting the news, or hanging around bars drinking Budweiser, or hanging around Internet forums pretending to be above it all. So we can try to decide to what degree social media should be throttled, but social media is just a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.

Anyone trying to convince the "other side" to wake up and smell the coffee is aiming at the wrong target. The problem is not that we disagree, or even that "the other side" often pushes their goals in ways that seem deceitful. It seems to me that the problem is that almost everyone has completely forgotten that generally speaking we all want to get rid of bad things and bring in good things. The problem is not that we disagree about what's good and bad, the problem is that "we" honestly and truly believe that the enemy is deliberately and conciously trying to harm us. It seems obvious to me that this can't really be true. That's the target. We need to get everyone to understand that we're not at war (not talking about Ukraine and Russia) and that the other side isn't our enemy. They may see different things as good and bad, but they are not deliberately trying to make bad things happen. (I do see members of the US congress deliberately trying to make bad things happen to "the other side", but I see that as a symptom of the problem, which is in dire need of treatment, but it is not the problem itself.)
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« Reply #259 on: May 05, 2022, 01:30:30 am »
Which 90%?   (joke)

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I for one welcome our new misinformation overloards.

 
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I for one welcome our new misinformation overloards.
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« Reply #262 on: May 05, 2022, 08:38:18 am »
I think most people are clever enough to know if it's from RT, it's Russian propaganda, just as most people know the BBC push western propaganda.

I really wish that were true. Unfortunately, the current condition in the US (at least the US, probably elsewhere too) is a deep divide between two groups that simply cannot comprehend the what the other is seeing. I know that I'm guilty myself. My own political views seem so obviously true that I'm sure every sane intelligent person agrees with me. Those that don't must be either stupid or deliberately crooked, right?

Given two presidents, A and B, very close to half of the population believes that A is truthfull with only good intentions while B is a filthy and corrupt. Meanwhile, the other half believe that A lies about everything for purely personal gain but B wears a white hat with the best of intentions for the country. It would seem that we can't count on the individual to see the truth without a lot of help.

It's a dumbfounding situation, but I can't think of any way to make it work other than to allow everyone to speak their piece, then provide close analysis and scrutiny of what was said by multiple 'experts'. Of course in practice, this hardly works because people listen to the experts that support whatever they already believe... Maybe more experts to fact check the first experts? Well, yeah, that's what free speech is supposed to be, but it doesn't seem to be freeing us from the circle that goes nowhere.
Whilst you''re right of course. What you said wasn't applicable to the part of my post you quoted. I repeat: any idiot can see the British Broadcasting Cooperation, pushes a British i.e. western perspective on things, whilst Russia Today, does exactly the opposite.

Regarding the US presidents: Some people in the UK hate Trump because our mainstream media do, for others it's some of the bollocks he spoke on social media, but a good number of people here love him for being pro-Brexit and anti-immigration. A lot of people here like Biden because he's calm, compared to Trump and the BBC love him, whilst other hate him because they deem him to be incompetent and ineffectual.

In retrospect, I think you might have missed my point. At least in the US, a significant portion of the population (maybe almost everyone) doesn't look at two news sources (RT and BBC for example) and recognize that both are pushing propaganda. They see one as pushing propaganda for entirely self serving purposes and the other as heroically providing the truth for the good of all. This breeds an out of control rivalry that results in absolute closed mindedness. A total stalemate.

Certainly there have been plenty of examples of politicians acting more in the interest of themselves and those that support them, but even with my own biases I understand that most politicians have goals they generally believe to be for the public good. I might or might not agree with them. I might have some seriously concerns about their mental health. But I don't believe that they're knowingly trying to achieve personal gains at the expense of the public. Hopefully you understand things in the same way.

Unfortunately, the real problem I see is that a significant majority of Americans don't understand things this way. There's evidence in the way I increasingly notice politicians and journalists use the phrase "the other side" when they are really thinking "the enemy." An adversarial stance is understood and expected, maybe even healthy. But what I see in practice is not healthy. It's a very unhealthy belief that the enemy's primary objective is complete annihilation of everything one believes to be right and good. So they need to be destroyed before they destroy us.

The problem that I'm pointing at is evidenced by news media, but only because the news media is composed of citizens. It's the citizens that scare the hell out of me, whether they're reporting the news, or hanging around bars drinking Budweiser, or hanging around Internet forums pretending to be above it all. So we can try to decide to what degree social media should be throttled, but social media is just a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.

Anyone trying to convince the "other side" to wake up and smell the coffee is aiming at the wrong target. The problem is not that we disagree, or even that "the other side" often pushes their goals in ways that seem deceitful. It seems to me that the problem is that almost everyone has completely forgotten that generally speaking we all want to get rid of bad things and bring in good things. The problem is not that we disagree about what's good and bad, the problem is that "we" honestly and truly believe that the enemy is deliberately and conciously trying to harm us. It seems obvious to me that this can't really be true. That's the target. We need to get everyone to understand that we're not at war (not talking about Ukraine and Russia) and that the other side isn't our enemy. They may see different things as good and bad, but they are not deliberately trying to make bad things happen. (I do see members of the US congress deliberately trying to make bad things happen to "the other side", but I see that as a symptom of the problem, which is in dire need of treatment, but it is not the problem itself.)
No I didn't miss your point. That's certainly the case in the US. The problem is confirmation bias: people seek out political content which reinforces their views, rather than challenges them. This isn't helped by Internet algorithms, such as YouTube recommendations  which push similar content to what you've seen and liked..
 

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That post, including the ----cut------ bits, cuts made because it seemed to be a very long post.  Makes just about no sense to me, whatsoever.  It reminds me of two things.  Firstly, it is as if you copied some ancient books texts, from project Gothenburg.

Secondly, you are sounding like someone who might want to seek out help.  Because you seem very certain, that some kind of conspiracy theory, is actually occurring within the US.  Or something on those lines, as I'm finding it difficult to follow, your posts, in general.
 

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that some kind of conspiracy theory, is actually occurring within the US

Of course some kind of conspiracy theory is actually occurring within the US! You need to narrow down to whether some specific thing is such :)

Or... are you suggesting QAnon is actually straight-up, honest to God real?  :o
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #265 on: May 05, 2022, 05:53:25 pm »
Given two presidents, A and B, very close to half of the population believes that A is truthfull with only good intentions while B is a filthy and corrupt. Meanwhile, the other half believe that A lies about everything for purely personal gain but B wears a white hat with the best of intentions for the country. It would seem that we can't count on the individual to see the truth without a lot of help.

That drives me nuts. South Park summed it up nicely, it's a choice between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. I get so frustrated watching both sides behave the same way and both of them are pointing out these awful things the other side is doing while being totally blind to the fact that their side is behaving exactly the same way. But it's different when they do it because... reasons...
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #266 on: May 05, 2022, 05:55:59 pm »
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #267 on: May 05, 2022, 06:08:24 pm »
Or... are you suggesting QAnon is actually straight-up, honest to God real?  :o

I don't even really know what QAnon is, wasn't it just kind of a joke? I've never actually met anyone claiming to be associated with the group/movement/whatever.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #268 on: May 05, 2022, 06:28:55 pm »
Wouldn't be anon if you knew they were associated with it :)

But the question is not "did it exist" or "wasn't it just some fun" but "did people believe in it". Ask Marjorie Taylor Greene, who apparently used to know a lot about it.

 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #269 on: May 05, 2022, 09:03:36 pm »
I for one welcome our new misinformation overloards.
Ministery of Truth.

It is absolutely coming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_Governance_Board
Its such an honest name. They find spreading disinformation so useful, they want to manage the entire BS industry, Its even headed by a famed spreader of BS.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #270 on: May 05, 2022, 09:12:11 pm »
Just to get back to Youtube/Google (and, in this case, Microsoft), they are pushing to get rid of passwords:

https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/05/microsoft-apple-google-fido/

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Microsoft, Apple and Google – all longtime proponents of doing away with passwords for authentication purposes – are throwing their support behind standards developed by the FIDO Alliance and the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) that could eliminate passphrases completely.

Sometime this year or early in 2023, the three US giants are set to implement these standards so that folks can log into online services and apps using familiar password-less authentication methods, such as the device PIN or fingerprint or face scans they use to unlock their devices, the FIDO – short for Fast Identity Online – Alliance announced Thursday.

Sounds pretty reasonable on the face of it, but actually what this will do is make it easier to track you. No longer will you be able to have completely unrelated logins on various fora or other sites; with this every site you log into will know it's not just you but the real you.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #271 on: May 05, 2022, 09:23:56 pm »
I for one welcome our new misinformation overloards.
Ministery of Truth.

It is absolutely coming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_Governance_Board
Yeah, I heard about this.
The real issue is that free speech is equal to freedom of thought, they don't exist one without another.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #272 on: May 05, 2022, 10:15:05 pm »
I for one welcome our new misinformation overloards.
Ministery of Truth.

It is absolutely coming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_Governance_Board
Yeah, I heard about this.
The real issue is that free speech is equal to freedom of thought, they don't exist one without another.
Nobody is taking either away. The goal is to prevent misinformation to spread like wildfire. IOW: people need to actively look for information instead of being bombarded with it. Hopefully it will help to prevent stupidity like anti-vaxers and unhealthy diets (like 'carb free') from becoming popular.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #273 on: May 05, 2022, 10:27:29 pm »
Tracking you is their business model. Anonymous speech is being ended.

Were entering a new age of the mass surveillance . With the uruguay Round they initiated a plan the end democracy as most understand it. Look up Dani Rodik's Trilemma. Democracy conflicts directly with it.

Just to get back to Youtube/Google (and, in this case, Microsoft), they are pushing to get rid of passwords:

https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/05/microsoft-apple-google-fido/

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Microsoft, Apple and Google – all longtime proponents of doing away with passwords for authentication purposes – are throwing their support behind standards developed by the FIDO Alliance and the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) that could eliminate passphrases completely.

No thank you, these companies are not my friends.

Sometime this year or early in 2023, the three US giants are set to implement these standards so that folks can log into online services and apps using familiar password-less authentication methods, such as the device PIN or fingerprint or face scans they use to unlock their devices, the FIDO – short for Fast Identity Online – Alliance announced Thursday.

ITS NOT REASONABLE AT ALL..-- ITS A THEFT OF THE FUTURE AND ALL OUR LIVES AND DREAMS.


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Sounds pretty reasonable on the face of it,

but actually what this will do is make it easier to track you. They already do this.
No longer will you be able to have completely unrelated logins on various fora or other sites; with this every site you log into will know it's not just you but the real you.

I just avoid these sites completely funck them.

Break up these huge companies so they pay taxes. I boycott the GAFA companies.
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"What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away."
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #274 on: May 05, 2022, 10:33:44 pm »
I for one welcome our new misinformation overloards.
Ministery of Truth.

It is absolutely coming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_Governance_Board
Yeah, I heard about this.
The real issue is that free speech is equal to freedom of thought, they don't exist one without another.
Nobody is taking either away. The goal is to prevent misinformation to spread like wildfire. IOW: people need to actively look for information instead of being bombarded with it. Hopefully it will help to prevent stupidity like anti-vaxers and unhealthy diets (like 'carb free') from becoming popular.
So, you think they are going to crack down on all the garbage the US government has been spouting recently, that oscillates from month to month? I doubt it. I would be amazed if they did anything other than treat Orwell's works as operations manuals. Remember the US government has been doing things like labelling people who question how well we understand never before widely deployed technologies like mRNA pseudo-vaccines in the same way they label the people who question long term very well understood classes of true sterilising vaccines.
 
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