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EEVblog:
I for one welcome our new misinformation overloards.

tszaboo:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 05, 2022, 07:52:37 am ---I for one welcome our new misinformation overloards.

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Ministery of Truth.
Zero999:

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--- Quote from: eugene on May 04, 2022, 08:31:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 04, 2022, 07:52:18 pm ---I think most people are clever enough to know if it's from RT, it's Russian propaganda, just as most people know the BBC push western propaganda.

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I really wish that were true. Unfortunately, the current condition in the US (at least the US, probably elsewhere too) is a deep divide between two groups that simply cannot comprehend the what the other is seeing. I know that I'm guilty myself. My own political views seem so obviously true that I'm sure every sane intelligent person agrees with me. Those that don't must be either stupid or deliberately crooked, right?

Given two presidents, A and B, very close to half of the population believes that A is truthfull with only good intentions while B is a filthy and corrupt. Meanwhile, the other half believe that A lies about everything for purely personal gain but B wears a white hat with the best of intentions for the country. It would seem that we can't count on the individual to see the truth without a lot of help.

It's a dumbfounding situation, but I can't think of any way to make it work other than to allow everyone to speak their piece, then provide close analysis and scrutiny of what was said by multiple 'experts'. Of course in practice, this hardly works because people listen to the experts that support whatever they already believe... Maybe more experts to fact check the first experts? Well, yeah, that's what free speech is supposed to be, but it doesn't seem to be freeing us from the circle that goes nowhere.

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Whilst you''re right of course. What you said wasn't applicable to the part of my post you quoted. I repeat: any idiot can see the British Broadcasting Cooperation, pushes a British i.e. western perspective on things, whilst Russia Today, does exactly the opposite.

Regarding the US presidents: Some people in the UK hate Trump because our mainstream media do, for others it's some of the bollocks he spoke on social media, but a good number of people here love him for being pro-Brexit and anti-immigration. A lot of people here like Biden because he's calm, compared to Trump and the BBC love him, whilst other hate him because they deem him to be incompetent and ineffectual.

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In retrospect, I think you might have missed my point. At least in the US, a significant portion of the population (maybe almost everyone) doesn't look at two news sources (RT and BBC for example) and recognize that both are pushing propaganda. They see one as pushing propaganda for entirely self serving purposes and the other as heroically providing the truth for the good of all. This breeds an out of control rivalry that results in absolute closed mindedness. A total stalemate.

Certainly there have been plenty of examples of politicians acting more in the interest of themselves and those that support them, but even with my own biases I understand that most politicians have goals they generally believe to be for the public good. I might or might not agree with them. I might have some seriously concerns about their mental health. But I don't believe that they're knowingly trying to achieve personal gains at the expense of the public. Hopefully you understand things in the same way.

Unfortunately, the real problem I see is that a significant majority of Americans don't understand things this way. There's evidence in the way I increasingly notice politicians and journalists use the phrase "the other side" when they are really thinking "the enemy." An adversarial stance is understood and expected, maybe even healthy. But what I see in practice is not healthy. It's a very unhealthy belief that the enemy's primary objective is complete annihilation of everything one believes to be right and good. So they need to be destroyed before they destroy us.

The problem that I'm pointing at is evidenced by news media, but only because the news media is composed of citizens. It's the citizens that scare the hell out of me, whether they're reporting the news, or hanging around bars drinking Budweiser, or hanging around Internet forums pretending to be above it all. So we can try to decide to what degree social media should be throttled, but social media is just a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.

Anyone trying to convince the "other side" to wake up and smell the coffee is aiming at the wrong target. The problem is not that we disagree, or even that "the other side" often pushes their goals in ways that seem deceitful. It seems to me that the problem is that almost everyone has completely forgotten that generally speaking we all want to get rid of bad things and bring in good things. The problem is not that we disagree about what's good and bad, the problem is that "we" honestly and truly believe that the enemy is deliberately and conciously trying to harm us. It seems obvious to me that this can't really be true. That's the target. We need to get everyone to understand that we're not at war (not talking about Ukraine and Russia) and that the other side isn't our enemy. They may see different things as good and bad, but they are not deliberately trying to make bad things happen. (I do see members of the US congress deliberately trying to make bad things happen to "the other side", but I see that as a symptom of the problem, which is in dire need of treatment, but it is not the problem itself.)

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No I didn't miss your point. That's certainly the case in the US. The problem is confirmation bias: people seek out political content which reinforces their views, rather than challenges them. This isn't helped by Internet algorithms, such as YouTube recommendations  which push similar content to what you've seen and liked..
MK14:

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So their Highnesses are kings and lords of these islands and land of Tierra-firme by virtue of this donation: and some islands, and indeed almost all those to whom this has been notified, have received and served their Highnesses, as lords and kings, in the way that subjects ought to do, with good will, without any ---------------cut-------------------------

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That post, including the ----cut------ bits, cuts made because it seemed to be a very long post.  Makes just about no sense to me, whatsoever.  It reminds me of two things.  Firstly, it is as if you copied some ancient books texts, from project Gothenburg.

Secondly, you are sounding like someone who might want to seek out help.  Because you seem very certain, that some kind of conspiracy theory, is actually occurring within the US.  Or something on those lines, as I'm finding it difficult to follow, your posts, in general.
PlainName:

--- Quote ---that some kind of conspiracy theory, is actually occurring within the US
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Of course some kind of conspiracy theory is actually occurring within the US! You need to narrow down to whether some specific thing is such :)

Or... are you suggesting QAnon is actually straight-up, honest to God real?  :o
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