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| MK14:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on May 06, 2022, 02:14:22 pm ---Indeed. Once power is seized, it is never given back willingly. It baffles me how many times over in the history of the world we need to go through the same steps that lead to hell while entire segments of society loudly applaud this in the name of "safety", "reason", "progress", <put_your_favourite_noun_here> --- End quote --- 1984, here we come! --- Quote ---‘Orwell’s novella is a warning for the human race’ --- End quote --- https://www.theguardian.com/childrens-books-site/2016/may/29/1984-george-orwell-review --- Quote ---1984 is a dystopian novella by George Orwell published in 1949, which follows the life of Winston Smith, a low ranking member of ‘the Party’, who is frustrated by the omnipresent eyes of the party, and its ominous ruler Big Brother. --- End quote --- |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on May 06, 2022, 11:17:28 am --- --- Quote from: nctnico on May 05, 2022, 10:15:05 pm --- --- Quote from: tszaboo on May 05, 2022, 09:23:56 pm --- --- Quote from: SiliconWizard on May 05, 2022, 05:55:59 pm --- --- Quote from: tszaboo on May 05, 2022, 08:02:58 am --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on May 05, 2022, 07:52:37 am ---I for one welcome our new misinformation overloards. --- End quote --- Ministery of Truth. --- End quote --- It is absolutely coming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_Governance_Board --- End quote --- Yeah, I heard about this. The real issue is that free speech is equal to freedom of thought, they don't exist one without another. --- End quote --- Nobody is taking either away. The goal is to prevent misinformation to spread like wildfire. IOW: people need to actively look for information instead of being bombarded with it. Hopefully it will help to prevent stupidity like anti-vaxers and unhealthy diets (like 'carb free') from becoming popular. --- End quote --- It always starts like that. Just this just that. Just the nutters. Just the communists. Just the talk which offends people. Just the talk that offends anyone. Just my neighbor. Just the russians. Just the ones who believed that the Earth is not the center of the universe, but the Vatican and everyone else clearly believes that's the truth, and there are more of us so their view must be false. Just the ones that have opposing political views than mine. We are just going to censor those people, but only those people. Monthly community updates will follow on what is censored! --- End quote --- No, you are not getting the point at all here. The aim is to make misinformation not resonate around so much. IOW: Stop the lies from spreading. If you tell a lie enough times, the masses will accept it as the truth ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie ). Social media has become a very potent weapon to destabilise countries by attacking people's health and thus putting a strain on the society. Look at the anti-vaxers for example that are gaining enough followers to erode herd immunity away against serious deceases like Polio and Measles that where deemed eradicated. This is not an idle or theoretical threat; it is already happening for real and seems to be orchestrated by countries: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/02/australias-anti-vaccine-groups-switch-focus-to-putin-praise-and-ukraine-conspiracies According to this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7849510/ social media, and the spreading of misinformation played a big role in the world wide hoarding of toilet paper. As if you are going to die without toilet paper :palm: And it happens closer to home as well... Every now and then my wife comes to me in a panic state about something that (to me) is obviously a hoax but since she heard it from several friends / family members through social media she thinks it is true. |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 06, 2022, 05:17:27 pm --- --- Quote from: tszaboo on May 06, 2022, 11:17:28 am --- --- Quote from: nctnico on May 05, 2022, 10:15:05 pm --- --- Quote from: tszaboo on May 05, 2022, 09:23:56 pm --- --- Quote from: SiliconWizard on May 05, 2022, 05:55:59 pm --- --- Quote from: tszaboo on May 05, 2022, 08:02:58 am --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on May 05, 2022, 07:52:37 am ---I for one welcome our new misinformation overloards. --- End quote --- Ministery of Truth. --- End quote --- It is absolutely coming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_Governance_Board --- End quote --- Yeah, I heard about this. The real issue is that free speech is equal to freedom of thought, they don't exist one without another. --- End quote --- Nobody is taking either away. The goal is to prevent misinformation to spread like wildfire. IOW: people need to actively look for information instead of being bombarded with it. Hopefully it will help to prevent stupidity like anti-vaxers and unhealthy diets (like 'carb free') from becoming popular. --- End quote --- It always starts like that. Just this just that. Just the nutters. Just the communists. Just the talk which offends people. Just the talk that offends anyone. Just my neighbor. Just the russians. Just the ones who believed that the Earth is not the center of the universe, but the Vatican and everyone else clearly believes that's the truth, and there are more of us so their view must be false. Just the ones that have opposing political views than mine. We are just going to censor those people, but only those people. Monthly community updates will follow on what is censored! --- End quote --- No, you are not getting the point at all here. The aim is to make misinformation not resonate around so much. IOW: Stop the lies from spreading. If you tell a lie enough times, the masses will accept it as the truth ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie ). Social media has become a very potent weapon to destabilise countries by attacking people's health and thus putting a strain on the society. Look at the anti-vaxers for example that are gaining enough followers to erode herd immunity away against serious deceases like Polio and Measles that where deemed eradicated. This is not an idle or theoretical threat; it is already happening for real: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/02/australias-anti-vaccine-groups-switch-focus-to-putin-praise-and-ukraine-conspiracies And it happens closer to home as well... Every now and then my wife comes to me in a panic state about something that (to me) is obviously a hoax but since she heard it from several friends / family members through social media she thinks it is true. --- End quote --- You're also missing the point: in who do we trust to be the arbitrator of the truth? We cannot trust any government because they're all open to corruption and often clueless themselves. How about medical bodies such as the World Health Organisation? No, they're also open to corruption by big pharma. What about educational institutions such as big name universities? Again no, as they accept funding from private companies and are controlled by governments. What about journalists? Again no, they're just as corrupt and worse still incompetent. To summarise: I agree, misinformation is a problem, but believe what is being proposed isn't the solution and will make things worse, rather than better. I would rather people be free to spread misinformation on the Internet, where it can be rebuked accordingly, rather than censorship. --- Quote from: madires on May 06, 2022, 08:26:02 am ---Guns, Drugs, and Skin Bleaching: YouTube Kids Still Poses Risks to Children: https://www.techtransparencyproject.org/articles/guns-drugs-and-skin-bleaching-youtube-kids-still-poses-risks-children --- End quote --- I've noticed many things go over young children's heads, so not all of that's as bad as it seems, One thing to note is what's unsuitable for children is a matter of opinion and often depends on one's place on the political spectrum. The right are generally more concerned about topics of a sexual nature, critical race theory and gender ideology, whilst the left are more worried about guns, violence and white supremacy. My personally view is all of the aforementioned are bad, although it does worry me that some bad actors are indoctrinating children with political propaganda. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 06, 2022, 05:33:49 pm ---You're also missing the point: in who do we trust to be the arbitrator of the truth? --- End quote --- There is no point to miss: the ones spreading the information should be aware of their moral obligation. And if there is lack of implementing such a moral, then they should be nudget into the right direction by the government. In the end it all comes down to good journalism. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 06, 2022, 05:44:48 pm --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on May 06, 2022, 05:33:49 pm ---You're also missing the point: in who do we trust to be the arbitrator of the truth? --- End quote --- There is no point to miss: the ones spreading the information should be aware of their moral obligation. And if there is lack of implementing such a moral, then they should be nudget into the right direction by the government. In the end it all comes down to good journalism. --- End quote --- Of all the spreaders of misinformation we face, governments are the worst. The second worst are journalists. You want to make them arbiters of truth? |
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