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nctnico:

--- Quote from: coppice on May 06, 2022, 05:47:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 06, 2022, 05:44:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 06, 2022, 05:33:49 pm ---You're also missing the point: in who do we trust to be the arbitrator of the truth?

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There is no point to miss: the ones spreading the information should be aware of their moral obligation. And if there is lack of implementing such a moral, then they should be nudget into the right direction by the government. In the end it all comes down to good journalism.

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Of all the spreaders of misinformation we face, governments are the worst. The second worst are journalists. You want to make them arbiters of truth?

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I already answered that question if you read the part you quoted carefully enough. Unless ofcourse you have a better idea (which I doubt is the case). You can be very hung up on 'freedom of speech' but if you fail to see that it is being actively used against you to undermine your wealth, health and values, then you are throwing the baby away with the bath water.

And for not trusting the government: you voted for those people! So either suck it up or become active in politics and work to make the changes you want.

coppice:

--- Quote from: nctnico on May 06, 2022, 06:03:59 pm ---And for not trusting the government: you voted for those people! So either suck it up or become active in politics and work to make the changes you want.

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You really try hard to miss the point. NO government can ever be trusted. Give me government like power for a while, and I'd probably soon turn into the kind of person I'd loathe. Any reasonable system of government is structured to minimise its power. Not let it sweep through society throwing its weight around.

cdev:
There are big reasons why both governments and corporations are so reliably unreliable. They have so much to hide. Every day I read about new atrocities.

They cant hide the truth.


--- Quote from: coppice on May 06, 2022, 05:47:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 06, 2022, 05:44:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 06, 2022, 05:33:49 pm ---You're also missing the point: in who do we trust to be the arbitrator of the truth?

--- End quote ---
There is no point to miss: the ones spreading the information should be aware of their moral obligation. And if there is lack of implementing such a moral, then they should be nudget into the right direction by the government. In the end it all comes down to good journalism.

--- End quote ---
Of all the spreaders of misinformation we face, governments are the worst. The second worst are journalists. You want to make them arbiters of truth?

--- End quote ---

Zero999:

--- Quote from: nctnico on May 06, 2022, 06:03:59 pm ---And for not trusting the government: you voted for those people! So either suck it up or become active in politics and work to make the changes you want.

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And upon what information do people use, to inform them of who to vote for? Newspapers, TV, the Internet. If they're all manipulated by the government, then democracy can't exist, since the government will always put out information to keep the current regime in power.

cdev:
In some (scary) parts of the world, everybody who is free, the non slaves, carry potentially lethal weapons most of the time, and life is cheap. death from them is fairly common.. should we prefer that?


--- Quote from: coppice on May 06, 2022, 06:12:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 06, 2022, 06:03:59 pm ---And for not trusting the government: you voted for those people! So either suck it up or become active in politics and work to make the changes you want.

--- End quote ---
You really try hard to miss the point. NO government can ever be trusted. Give me government like power for a while, and I'd probably soon turn into the kind of person I'd loathe. Any reasonable system of government is structured to minimise its power. Not let it sweep through society throwing its weight around.

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But, as you pointed out, they almost always do.

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