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cdev:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 06, 2022, 06:37:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on May 06, 2022, 06:12:18 pm ---And for not trusting the government: you voted for those people! So either suck it up or become active in politics and work to make the changes you want.

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And upon what information do people use, to inform them of who to vote for? Newspapers, TV, the Internet. If they're all manipulated by the government, then democracy can't exist, since the government will always put out information to keep the current regime in power.

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Well, at least some bullshit is predictable. All thieves want to legitimate their plunder. But since Jan 1, 1995 certain rules tie countries hands. Its so that global capital remains mobile. See the Trilemma. It has certain effects, making the already powerful more so and the powerless even more powerless. The era of democracy was a brief anomaly caused by the Industrial revolution and its labor scarcity, and WWII  a rare exception that ended  at 11.59 PM on December 31, 1994, because its inconsistent with the protection of certain internationally traded assets. The era that most of us grew up during really was an economic anomaly in history.

eugene:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 06, 2022, 05:33:49 pm ---We cannot trust any government because they're all open to corruption and often clueless themselves. How about medical bodies such as the World Health Organisation? No, they're also open to corruption by big pharma. What about educational institutions such as big name universities? Again no, as they accept funding from private companies and are controlled by governments. What about journalists? Again no, they're just as corrupt and worse still incompetent.
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It would seem the only logical action for any of us is to build a private survival shelter and fill it with weapons and nonperishable food. That way we can protect ourselves from the entire rest of the world, absolutely none of which can be trusted.

That isn't at all appealing to me and I'm not even going to look down that road, never mind travel down it. You have to trust someone, at least conditionally.


--- Quote ---To summarise: I agree, misinformation is a problem, but believe what is being proposed isn't the solution and will make things worse, rather than better. I would rather people be free to spread misinformation on the Internet, where it can be rebuked accordingly, rather than censorship.

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I agree that any kind of throttling of information is a slippery slope. Ideologically, we want to believe that misinformation will be identified publicly. Then everyone will know what is true and what is false. Not just that, but everyone will see where the information comes from, so everyone will learn who we should trust in the future and who we shouldn't.

Unfortunately, this becomes not just a way to battle misinformation, but a tool to spread it. If someone is spreading a 'truth' that is in competition with mine, then I can promote my own by publicly calling them a liar, saying that they're spreading misinformation, maybe part of a big conspiracy. Some other people will retort that I'm the liar and that I'm spreading misinformation, etc. Ultimately it will become difficult (or impossible) for most people to separate information from disinformation. The ideology of free speech will have been shown to fail.

That's where we are today. Even blatant lies are given a pass in this morass of 'information.'. Not just subtle forms of misinformation and manipulation, but lies that are easily shown to be false, and obviously known to be false by the person speaking the lie. As a weapon, misinformation might cause some self-inflicted injury, but it can do much more injury to the enemy, so it's a weapon that is heavily exploited. (We all believe that it's used more heavily by the other side than by our side, but I'm not sure that it matters if there's an imbalance or not. It's just not a productive point of discussion. We need to focus on individuals, not 'sides.')

Having said that, I'm still not ready to trade the ideology of totally free speech for a different one.  :box:

magic:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on May 05, 2022, 08:02:58 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 05, 2022, 07:52:37 am ---I for one welcome our new misinformation overloards.

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Ministery of Truth.

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A subtle difference: it's Truth Incorporated, so they aren't bound by any of that "constitution" rubbish :-DD

American liberals love pointing out that the Bill of Rights prohibits the government from taking certain actions, but not private corporations. Freedom, man!
The argument that some common sense should be applied when corporations attempt to usurp powers typically held by governments completely flies over their head.

RJSV:
Check out my personal experience, recently:
   To set this up, I have to 'deflect' some parts, to protect privacy (of others), so let's just say, a close equivalent:.  Say, I'm 16, under legal control, by parent  'Mary'...or perhaps I'm 42, under ' Freddy', a manager at job.
   Now, I've mentioned to this 'Mary' a couple items, relating to former President (Trump), and the US country.  Analysis stuff I heard watching cable channel '321', whatever, but it was compelling LOGIC relating to
a common situation.  Next thing I know; I get labeled by this 'boss', Freddy, he saying: "You're just another Hannity /Fox News puppet...".
   Now, clearly, I was repeating material from elsewhere, but NO, not according to 'Freddy', as he issues the phrase 'Fox News, Fox News', notwithstanding  my denials (repeated), saying "Nope, I heard that political analysis on channel 321, I don't watch Fox all that much, and Hannity I found slightly annoying, at worst."
   Then I probably responded with, "That's a fake Albatross, you are hanging around my neck", an old old expression referring to 'smears', dirty rumors.  But have to be careful: that 'Mary' parent, or 'Freddy' department manager has power...real tangible power and I don't want to, or cannot, afford to make 'trouble', pressing my points politely, (even while the other party is, actually, getting into personal ABUSE, territory!).
  Next,... that person, starts in with the censor stuff:
Saying things like "...We need to STIFLE that news channel,..perhaps ban FOX News /Hannity speach, for sure...".
   My gawd;. My mention of channel 321 analysis has triggered a 'ban Fox' mantra, (very grossly incorrect), plus coupled with an abusive 'smear' that I might not wish to challenge!
   So,... calls to ban 'Fox News', or create new 'crimes' of speech ???  (Remember, it's channel 321, NOT Fox channel that I was quoting).  That's so far off-base from common sense, (if you can follow my convoluted logic, here, LOL), that I just gotta say:
   No #@$#34$#@ Way...(insert your own cuss words).

John B:
Odysee must have done some sever upgrades as their bandwidth has improved immensely  :-+

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