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Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
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NiHaoMike:

--- Quote from: station240 on April 25, 2022, 02:20:52 am ---This "Global Trust & Safety" is another BS term, it's all about credit card financial matters, nothing about ethics or having consistent rules.
The money laundering things I get, but they (the credit card companies) need to drop the "customer is always right" nonsense.
Sometimes the customer is a con artist, or a troll, and send money to someone just so they can trigger a chargeback (result -$40 donation).
Or donate to a Patreon creator, download everything, then call the bank and complain just so you get it for free.

This Woke nonsense is a symptom not a cause, the real issue is listening to cranks who use their personal credit cards to drain other people's bank accounts.
After a while the bank gets annoyed about how much this is costing them, and wrongly hassle Youtube/Patreon/Google, instead of telling a handful of their customers to take a long walk off a short pier.

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That problem is solved by cryptocurrencies, where transactions are irreversible.
wilfred:

--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 25, 2022, 03:57:23 am ---That problem is solved by cryptocurrencies, where transactions are irreversible.

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How does it solve the problem? You contact the bank or service provider and seek a refund. Another irreversible transaction gets you the refund. What's different?
vad:

--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 23, 2022, 04:45:55 pm ---Here's a list of what to do:
* If you're not already using one, install an adblocker. If you want to, whitelist Youtube to support creators, blocking Google ads everywhere else still makes an impact. (Hiding the ads and "autoclicking" them with AdNauseam instead of blocking them might work better in that it would cost Google the ad views/clicks, but that would also increase their ad view/click count.)
* Don't use Google search, use DuckDuckGo.
* Don't use Chrome, use Firefox or Chromium.
* Don't get Youtube Premium (cancel it if you have it), use an adblocker and give directly to the creators.
* Use Make Internet Noise or similar to waste Google's resources as a protest, use in conjunction with an adblocker. It would also make their data collection less useful although it works best if you minimize the data you're giving them in the first place.
* Use/support more ethical alternatives to Youtube.

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1) Thanks, I already have AdBlock, but not for YouTube. AdBlock stopped blocking YouTube ads some time ago.

2) Why should I use some shi..y search engine? Google works well for me. Your mileage may vary though.

3) I do have YouTube Premium and it is great

4) Protest what? I do understand that this half dresses lady is pi..sed off of her falling revenues despite 1.5M subscribers on YouTube. Maybe she can have better luck at other platforms. But why should I protest?

5) Content providers who I am interested in are all on YouTube. YouTube Premium is convenient way to watch or listen to that content. Alphabet is definitely more ethical than some shady alternatives like Telegram.
wilfred:

--- Quote from: MrMobodies on April 24, 2022, 08:08:24 pm ---I like Odysee but my concern is, I read they allow anything on there such as hate speeches that could give governments like the UK the justification to ban it from their country (if out of their jurisdiction to force them to change) which might lead to it's downfall.

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What fringe nutters need to be mindful of is they are just fringe nutters. When or if they become mainstream the platforms will be happy for their business. Most people, I think, and me included don't really want to live in a society where others are marginalised or subjected to hateful treatment. Gay people are way more tolerated now than say Alan Turing was. Does anyone care that Big Clive is gay? One of my sisters kids is transgender and I don't want them to live in a world where they are excluded or worse.  I have a particularly low regard for people who make others lives miserable for profit. And getting thrown off Patreon or Odysee won't stop the comments but it throttles back the profits. And that's a good thing. It will at least reduce the comment to those who genuinely believe them and weed out those who just say them to profit from them.

The platforms know full well it is bad for business to become part of the fringe echo chamber. Same goes for site that feature porn. That is more likely to lead to their downfall.

The people who created LBRY/Odysee did it to ultimately profit from it. Don't get in their way or no access for you. Patreon same. Twitter same. And Trumpet was created for the same reason but only with smaller ambitions. When their ambitions grow they'll shed the nitwits and nutcases just the same.
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: MrMobodies on April 24, 2022, 08:08:24 pm ---I like Odysee but my concern is, I read they allow anything on there such as hate speeches that could give governments like the UK the justification to ban it from their country (if out of their jurisdiction to force them to change) which might lead to it's downfall.

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If that happens then you have more to worry about than not being able access Odysee.

They have TOS
https://odysee.com/$/tos

Part of it:


--- Quote ---6. General Conduct Restrictions
You are solely responsible for your conduct while using the Services. You will comply with all applicable laws and third-party agreements to which you are bound. Further, you will not do any of the following in connection with the Services or any other users:

a) Use the Services in any manner that could interfere with, disrupt, negatively affect or inhibit other users from fully enjoying the Services or that could damage, disable, overburden or impair the functioning of the Services in any manner;

b) Impersonate or distribute Content on behalf or any person or entity or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity;

c) Cheat or utilize unauthorized exploits in connection with the Services;

d) Stalk, intimidate, threaten, or otherwise harass or cause discomfort to other users;

e) Send, distribute or post spam, unsolicited or bulk commercial electronic communications, chain letters, or pyramid schemes;

f) Harvest or otherwise collect information about users, including email addresses, without their consent;

g) Use the Services for any illegal or unauthorized purpose or engage in, encourage, or promote any illegal activity, or any activity that violates these Terms;

h) Use the Services to distribute Content that you do not have the lawful right to distribute or reproduce; or

i) Circumvent or attempt to circumvent any filtering, security measures or other features we may from time to time adopt to protect the Company, the Services, its users or third parties.
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