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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: james_s on April 24, 2022, 08:54:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on April 24, 2022, 02:46:47 pm ---Patreon are just as bad. They banned Sydney Watson because they disagree with her political views. What's so bad is it wasn't because of anything she said on Patreon, but elsewhere online. If Dave says something they dislike on this forum, they might ban him. It doesn't matter if you agree with Sydney's political views or not and this isn't the place to discuss them. The fact companies are monitoring people's online activity and banning them because they say something they don't like is dangerous.

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I've never heard of her and have no idea what her views are, but watching that video I would say she's intelligent, articulate and overall sounds very reasonable. Whether we call it "cancel culture", a "culture war" or something else, this banning people over random things they do or say somewhere is scary, it is quite literally authoritarian oppression no different than what the most reviled tyrants throughout history have done. Every one of those tyrants and their followers believed in their cause, believed they  were on the right side of history and believed what they were doing to be noble and just. The irony is that type of personality will steadfastly refuse to see the similarity between what they're doing and what other authoritarian figures of the past have done. The only good thing about it is that these movements have a tendency to eat their own as they get divided by various purity tests and eventually collapse.

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Patreon lost a lot of large creators over this "Manifest observable behaviour" thing (google if you want to know more), and it's what spawned Locals and SubscribeStar.
Every creator on Patreon lost a significant number of Patrons over this issue of baning creators for what they say off-platform, as many customers left in protest. I lost maybe 10% of my Patrons over it.
Halcyon:
I don't understand why card merchants like Square or even some of the bigger ones like Visa or Mastercard don't create a platform similar to Patreon to enable donations to be easily deposited in content creator's accounts via their network. It seems to be a bit of a gap in the market.

It would be easy for them to develop a product for hobbyists capped at say, $100k per year in donations in exchange for a discounted fee on transactions.
Zero999:

--- Quote from: wilfred on April 25, 2022, 05:08:28 am ---
--- Quote from: MrMobodies on April 24, 2022, 08:08:24 pm ---I like Odysee but my concern is, I read they allow anything on there such as hate speeches that could give governments like the UK the justification to ban it from their country (if out of their jurisdiction to force them to change) which might lead to it's downfall.

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What fringe nutters need to be mindful of is they are just fringe nutters. When or if they become mainstream the platforms will be happy for their business. Most people, I think, and me included don't really want to live in a society where others are marginalised or subjected to hateful treatment. Gay people are way more tolerated now than say Alan Turing was. Does anyone care that Big Clive is gay? One of my sisters kids is transgender and I don't want them to live in a world where they are excluded or worse.  I have a particularly low regard for people who make others lives miserable for profit. And getting thrown off Patreon or Odysee won't stop the comments but it throttles back the profits. And that's a good thing. It will at least reduce the comment to those who genuinely believe them and weed out those who just say them to profit from them.

The platforms know full well it is bad for business to become part of the fringe echo chamber. Same goes for site that feature porn. That is more likely to lead to their downfall.

The people who created LBRY/Odysee did it to ultimately profit from it. Don't get in their way or no access for you. Patreon same. Twitter same. And Trumpet was created for the same reason but only with smaller ambitions. When their ambitions grow they'll shed the nitwits and nutcases just the same.

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I didn't know Big Clive is gay and I don't care. I watch Fran's videos and couldn't give a toss about he being trans.

The problem is there is extremist LGBT content is allowed, if not even encouraged by social media. Age inappropriate content is being pushed onto children. I'm all for teaching children to be tolerant of minorities, but despise radical trans activists who glorify gender dysphoria. There have been too many cases of vulnerable children and adolescents who have been convinced they're trans by manipulative people and undergone life changing medical treatments as a result. Many trans activists aren't really transgender, but male transvestites, who want to use women's spaces. A women was raped in hospital recently, because a man who identified as female was allowed on a women's ward. What's worse is the police didn't believe her, because the hospital staff have been told to deny there was a man on the ward. I hope the policy is changed and the staff are prosecuted for wasting police time and perverting the course of justice: following orders is no defense!
wraper:

--- Quote from: MrMobodies on April 24, 2022, 08:08:24 pm ---I like Odysee but my concern is, I read they allow anything on there such as hate speeches that could give governments like the UK the justification to ban it from their country (if out of their jurisdiction to force them to change) which might lead to it's downfall.

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These days unwanted truth (by some leftist minority) often is labeled a hate speech and shut down by people with extreme opinion which is shared by like <5% of population. Youtube and major social meadia these days became an agenda marketplaces which shovel some fringe minority agenda into your mouth, and shut down those who dare to say something against this.
wraper:

--- Quote from: wilfred on April 25, 2022, 05:08:28 am ---What fringe nutters need to be mindful of is they are just fringe nutters. When or if they become mainstream the platforms will be happy for their business. Most people, I think, and me included don't really want to live in a society where others are marginalised or subjected to hateful treatment. Gay people are way more tolerated now than say Alan Turing was. Does anyone care that Big Clive is gay? One of my sisters kids is transgender and I don't want them to live in a world where they are excluded or worse.  I have a particularly low regard for people who make others lives miserable for profit. And getting thrown off Patreon or Odysee won't stop the comments but it throttles back the profits. And that's a good thing. It will at least reduce the comment to those who genuinely believe them and weed out those who just say them to profit from them.

The platforms know full well it is bad for business to become part of the fringe echo chamber. Same goes for site that feature porn. That is more likely to lead to their downfall.

The people who created LBRY/Odysee did it to ultimately profit from it. Don't get in their way or no access for you. Patreon same. Twitter same. And Trumpet was created for the same reason but only with smaller ambitions. When their ambitions grow they'll shed the nitwits and nutcases just the same.

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Modern social media lets you think that fringe nutters are mainstream and people with traditional values are fringe. Saying something that was completely normal like 10-15 years ago is labeled as blasphemy. People who asking for more censorship don't understand what they are promoting, because tomorrow they will be called a fringe minority and shut down for not being progressive enough. Shutting down the opposition pushes the overtone window further and further until perverse becomes mainstream.
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