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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #75 on: April 25, 2022, 07:00:25 pm »
Naomi's business is selling content.  Youtube just happens to be her only customer.  Like if I made educational sing-a-long videos for kids and just sold them to PornHub. 

Youtube is not her boss either, it's her business partner.

I'd define YouTube as a video hoster with monetization service. The content you're creating is the product, and maybe you'll earn some money if you're lucky. It's like an online marketplace which takes a huge percentage as commission for providing the platform, a CDN, and payment processing.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #76 on: April 25, 2022, 07:23:21 pm »
That's the Guardian talking complete bollocks as usual. The far-right don't pose a significant threat in the UK. There have only been two deaths in the last 70 years due to far-right extremism: Jo Cox and Makram Ali (Finsbury Park mosque attack), compared to many more due Islamic extremism and the IRA. Radical left-wing groups such as BLM and extreme trans activists pose a similar threat to the far-right, yet no one whines about them. There's loads of hate on Twitter about killing terfs (trans exclusionary feminists) and whites which is tolerated, yet people get kicked off all the time just for saying things like trans women are men.

So I can't trust any newspaper. Sometimes I find I have to read the same story from several different sources just to get a picture when I suspect something is missing or it's vague on details but then even when lengthy like that one.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #77 on: April 25, 2022, 07:33:00 pm »
newspapers always have an angle, so I don't read any of them as they all lie.
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #78 on: April 25, 2022, 09:06:49 pm »
As our friend Naomi has finally discovered, after plenty of warning, one by one the channels not pulling in the million views per vid are being yeeted.

There is zero evidence that happens.

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Why does Odysee exist?

Nearly every video I see now, OK, you're the exception, the creators complain about the algo, the shadow banning, the copyright matching, the word mincing, the nutters in the comments section. I watch a few hours of internet vids a week and more and more the channels big and small are regularly grumbling and e-begging more than ever.

They came for Jack Vale the other day because after ten years they are sick of him farting on the internet. Why would they do that?

All I'm saying, my evidence is the creators I watch who have been affected earlier and for longer are much happier now over on the alts and just flicking a select portion of the content up on youtube for the masses and for the legacy viewers or for those who want to share to legacy viewers.



On youtube the nuts might be in the comments but on odysee they are making the videos.... I look now and then but I don't see anything that appealing other than what I already know about like Dave. I actually pay for youtube so if I did watch dave on odysee he would not make any money. The whole sponsorship thing is a problem to me, I would rather have the model of paying an amount each month to the platform to distribute among the creators I watch, but we have been duped into this everything is free crap so creators have to beg for donations, you want the service? then pay for it!
I agree. It's difficult to find good videos on Odysee. I tend to use YouTube to find creators I like and check their Odysee accounts for content they can't put on YouTube because of censorship.

Censorship in the west has become progressively worse over the last 25 years. It started with the idea of stopping bad people push dangerous and harmful ideas, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. We need to allow people to put across bad and dangerous ideas, so they can be rebutted with well-reasoned, evidence-based counterarguments, otherwise we won't learn and develop as a society.

That's the Guardian talking complete bollocks as usual. The far-right don't pose a significant threat in the UK. There have only been two deaths in the last 70 years due to far-right extremism: Jo Cox and Makram Ali (Finsbury Park mosque attack), compared to many more due Islamic extremism and the IRA. Radical left-wing groups such as BLM and extreme trans activists pose a similar threat to the far-right, yet no one whines about them. There's loads of hate on Twitter about killing terfs (trans exclusionary feminists) and whites which is tolerated, yet people get kicked off all the time just for saying things like trans women are men.

So I can't trust any newspaper. Sometimes I find I have to read the same story from several different sources just to get a picture when I suspect something is missing or it's vague on details but then even when lengthy like that one.
They generally don't outright lie, but they do have blatant political leanings. For example, a right wing paper might blame long doctor's waiting lists on immigration and the government's botched handling of the pandemic, yet a left leaning publication will cite lack of government funding and insufficient pay for hard working doctors who migrated to the UK to help the struggling NHS. In reality both are correct: we import useful foreign medical staff, but immigration does put pressure on the NHS, the government have mishandled the pandemic and funding is an issue, although it's more of a case in how it's spent, rather than too little.

I prefer to look for different news sources, especially those reporting UK stories from abroad, which I tend to trust more as they're less influenced by the UK government.
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #79 on: April 25, 2022, 10:29:24 pm »
It's difficult to find good videos on Odysee. I tend to use YouTube to find creators I like and check their Odysee accounts for content they can't put on YouTube because of censorship.

I think that comes down to your viewing habits. Television (paid or free-to-air) is exactly the same.

Personally, I'm the kind of person who knows what I want to watch and seek out that content/show/episode, whether that be online streaming media or television. I don't mindlessly click through stuff or wait for recommendations to come to me. I usually come across new things to watch through word-of-mouth.
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #80 on: April 26, 2022, 03:21:32 am »

On youtube the nuts might be in the comments but on odysee they are making the videos.... I look now and then but I don't see anything that appealing other than what I already know about like Dave. I actually pay for youtube so if I did watch dave on odysee he would not make any money. The whole sponsorship thing is a problem to me, I would rather have the model of paying an amount each month to the platform to distribute among the creators I watch, but we have been duped into this everything is free crap so creators have to beg for donations, you want the service? then pay for it!

In the very early days I used to download Dave's vids from the server so I could watch in a quality other than standard y/t potato mode. I didn't have the bandwidth to stream in HD and the flash/firefox implementation was cancer.

The e-begging is prolly here to stay no matter what platform they spruik on. But I just get tired of the "youtube shafted me" videos.

The nutters on Odysee will only decrease in proportion as youtube kicks off (and ticks off) more and more harmless presenters.

I suggest that soon it may be that nutters remain on youtube. Those prepper clowns can manage and are motivated to stay one step ahead of the algo and yet they continuously forecast the imminent collapse of society for five years straight (so buy my prepper stuff before it's too late!)  ::)

It is why I now urge new creators to go back to basics a bit. The best material is of the spare-time nature. That said if gaming the algo is your goal, fill yer boots so long as it's understood that sometimes the machine wins.
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #81 on: April 26, 2022, 03:34:35 am »
The whole sponsorship thing is a problem to me, I would rather have the model of paying an amount each month to the platform to distribute among the creators I watch...
That has the problem of inadvertently supporting creators you don't want to support, for example flat earthers and clowns staging plane crashes. It's especially problematic if you specifically want to watch the video in order to criticize it, but that's counterproductive if they get paid for the view.
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« Reply #82 on: April 26, 2022, 03:49:38 am »
and clowns staging plane crashes

And the aviation channels contorting themselves trying to distance themselves from it.  :palm:
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #83 on: April 26, 2022, 05:00:08 am »
The whole sponsorship thing is a problem to me, I would rather have the model of paying an amount each month to the platform to distribute among the creators I watch...
That has the problem of inadvertently supporting creators you don't want to support, for example flat earthers and clowns staging plane crashes. It's especially problematic if you specifically want to watch the video in order to criticize it, but that's counterproductive if they get paid for the view.

They would be getting far more from their zombie followers and if one were to watch something like that then it would be a tiny portion of view time so not much. Ultimately your argument is flawed, they should not be on youtube, or their channel should be entirely demonetized.

Free speech and all is all well and good when there is the rebuttal to stupid ideas, but we live in a society of silo's. If I came across some flat earther videa I would not even bother to comment on it as the comments would already be full of their fans who won't be told by some stranger on the internet. So all the videos do is drag more people in and make it look like these people are worth listening to.
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #84 on: April 26, 2022, 05:04:51 am »
On youtube the nuts might be in the comments but on odysee they are making the videos.... I look now and then but I don't see anything that appealing other than what I already know about like Dave. I actually pay for youtube so if I did watch dave on odysee he would not make any money. The whole sponsorship thing is a problem to me, I would rather have the model of paying an amount each month to the platform to distribute among the creators I watch, but we have been duped into this everything is free crap so creators have to beg for donations, you want the service? then pay for it!

Odysee now have a Patreon like subcription service, as does Utreon. In the case of Odysee, 100% goes to the creator. It's brand new but I expect it will become big.
 

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« Reply #85 on: April 26, 2022, 05:09:26 am »
Yes but that is a pain. I would like to sign up and pay once and all creators get a cut like youtube premium.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #86 on: April 26, 2022, 05:12:17 am »
The whole sponsorship thing is a problem to me, I would rather have the model of paying an amount each month to the platform to distribute among the creators I watch...
That has the problem of inadvertently supporting creators you don't want to support, for example flat earthers and clowns staging plane crashes. It's especially problematic if you specifically want to watch the video in order to criticize it, but that's counterproductive if they get paid for the view.

I used to be of that opinion with Red now called Premium. If you pay for preium then some tiny (like, realy, really tiny) percentage goes to the creator of every video you view.
But now I think it's actually fair. If you watched the video, regardless of the intent, then that creator deserves the cut, even if you hate their guts and you are only watching to criticise. The fact is you chose to watch it.
You can chose not to participate in such a system of course.
As a creator, ideally we want people to subscribe to use and have 100% of that come to us. Currently only Odysee offers this.
But in reality I think the premium system really has a place, as it means that any fleeting video you watch that creators gets a cut with no effort on your part.
 

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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #87 on: April 26, 2022, 05:13:14 am »
Yes but that is a pain. I would like to sign up and pay once and all creators get a cut like youtube premium.

Have a look at https://www.thevertex.io/

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oh nearly forgot, edit: regarding your wish to pay once, I believe that is a feature they will be adding soon.
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« Reply #88 on: April 26, 2022, 05:13:47 am »
Yes but that is a pain. I would like to sign up and pay once and all creators get a cut like youtube premium.

Yep, see my previous comment as you typed yours, that's why I use it. I do wish the Premium cut was greater though.
 
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« Reply #89 on: April 26, 2022, 05:31:45 am »
Yes, but then I would rather Google pay their taxes too and this is one reason I prefer to just pay for the service. I now have every right to demand that 20% or that or whatever it is goes to tax revenue.
 

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« Reply #90 on: April 26, 2022, 06:04:48 am »
I used to be of that opinion with Red now called Premium. If you pay for preium then some tiny (like, realy, really tiny) percentage goes to the creator of every video you view.

Funny that they FINALLY renamed that. I worked on a DVR product at a former job that supported YouTube Red and people I worked with were constantly confusing it with RedTube which is not quite the same thing.
 
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #91 on: April 26, 2022, 06:08:27 am »
So I can't trust any newspaper. Sometimes I find I have to read the same story from several different sources just to get a picture when I suspect something is missing or it's vague on details but then even when lengthy like that one.

I do the same thing. I end up looking for the same story on the left slanted and right slanted news sources, read both and try to interpolate something resembling reality. It's frustrating that this is necessary, I mean is it really that hard to just present the facts without an agenda?
 
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« Reply #92 on: April 26, 2022, 06:29:31 am »
I remembered 20 years ago someone telling me that the newspapers can't even get the football scores right between them let alone the reporting and that they are corrupt.
So I asked "Well what about the Independent?"
They replied: "Nope they're corrupt too."

Football and sports don't interest me so,  don't understand it too well and I don't read the sports section so I woudn't know if the newspapers are or were accurate or not with the scores and reporting.

Odysee now have a Patreon like subcription service, as does Utreon. In the case of Odysee, 100% goes to the creator. It's brand new but I expect it will become big.

I asked a couple of months ago about other payment methods for Odysee premium such as Paypal than giving them my card details.

They replied not "eta" yet but provided a link to one that does it in Bitcoin but I hope they eventually accept paypal.

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We plan to in the future, but don't have an ETA for it. Maybe something like this would work in meantime: https://usa.visa.com/pay-with-visa/cards/prepaid-cards.html or https://paywithmoon.com/
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Re: Youtube/Google is evil, time to fight back
« Reply #93 on: April 26, 2022, 06:59:28 am »
So I can't trust any newspaper. Sometimes I find I have to read the same story from several different sources just to get a picture when I suspect something is missing or it's vague on details but then even when lengthy like that one.

I do the same thing. I end up looking for the same story on the left slanted and right slanted news sources, read both and try to interpolate something resembling reality. It's frustrating that this is necessary, I mean is it really that hard to just present the facts without an agenda?

Middle of the road journos (when they were still around) used to assure me that if you print vanilla news then both sides come at you claiming you're covering something up.
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« Reply #94 on: April 26, 2022, 12:19:18 pm »
There are not differenent sources..
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« Reply #95 on: April 26, 2022, 03:20:03 pm »
newspapers always have an angle, so I don't read any of them as they all lie.

So where do you learn about what's happening around the world/country/city?
 

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« Reply #96 on: April 26, 2022, 05:59:17 pm »
newspapers always have an angle, so I don't read any of them as they all lie.

So where do you learn about what's happening around the world/country/city?

If you stick to newspapers for this, your view of reality is likely pretty twisted, without you even realizing. =)
 

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« Reply #97 on: April 26, 2022, 07:34:40 pm »
What else is there? Facebook?

Edit: I am not suggesting newspapers are the only source, but I'd like to know of a more credible source - if there isn't one then in writing off newspapers is a bit silly since whatever source you do use will be no better and probably worse.
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« Reply #98 on: April 26, 2022, 11:59:05 pm »
Are newspapers still a thing? I get most of my news online, I browse a variety of news sites and try to interpolate the true story from what I find. I don't spend a lot of time on news though, most of it is depressing stuff I can't control anyway.
 
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« Reply #99 on: April 27, 2022, 02:02:32 am »
Are newspapers still a thing?

Fran has started a new newspaper segment:
 


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