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a lovely AI rant
« on: June 20, 2024, 01:13:23 pm »
 
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Re: a lovely AI rant
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2024, 05:33:39 pm »
Brutal! But spot on - and I am saying that as an actual product owner responsible for bringing some AI features (not LLM-related) in our product to market currently.

The amount of grifters - and the clueless idiots jumping on every bandwagon seeing dollar signs every time there is another fad or hype wave - is nuts.

Things like blockchain or solar roads were relatively harmless - it "only" wasted (a lot) of money. However, this AI hype pushing poorly performing, overhyped inscrutable (non-)solutions into every corner of our lives has a very real potential to make people miserable when they get rejected for loans (or jobs) because "computer said so!", when they get profiled and pulled off flights or abused by the authorities because "computer tagged you as a risk". Or when people get hurt because someone didn't do their job and instead "outsourced" it to some ChatGPT copy resulting in some bad law, policy or a decision.

This was obviously the case before as well but if you end up on some no-fly list, you have at least a theoretical chance to get the record corrected. If you end up being tagged by some machine learning model that nobody knows how it works (both because it is "trade secret" of the vendor and also because even the vendor doesn't have a clue why the model reasons the way it does), then good luck!

There are plenty of real world practical applications of AI and machine learning (AI != machine learning and even less LLMs, it is a much wider field) that are being successfully used every day - and most people don't know about them because they are not where the hype is and are so common and "pedestrian" that nobody considers them as something worth of an extra mention - "Here, we do use AI!". Good examples are things like image analysis (think medical, surveillance, xray, QA, weapon guidance, navigation ...), language translation, spelling & grammar checks, various controllers (even the basic state machine or things like fuzzy logic are historically considered to be topic of study for the AI field), expert systems based on decision trees, e-mail spam filters, etc ...

Practical and actually useful deployments of LLMs are extremely rare in comparison, despite the billions in capital being poured into the tech.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2024, 05:41:10 pm by janoc »
 
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Re: a lovely AI rant
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2024, 07:02:38 pm »
I see article’s popularity skyrockets. I got it from one chatroom over 6 hours ago.

I dislike a few things about that rant. But other than that: could be my own words. Down to stressing that I’m neither against machine learning nor try to downplay progress in that field. Quite opposite: a few overhyped smortnets are both obscuring many true marvels and trivializing the otherwise deep subject.

Things I dislike? The tone brings a picture of a teenager, who just discovered how humanity works and gets angry about that. I may be wrong of course, but if I had that feeling, other readers may get the same impression. Including those, who should read this. There is no benefit in us circlejerking.

The part with a bar chart. The author misses a much bigger issue, one with higher priority. The survey is not measuring, what it’s supposed to represent! Yet another example of amateurs only superficially mimicking what real researchers do, but being convinced this is a serious and well-done thing. Kids playing adults, once again.

Finally: making wrong assumptions about what “beneficial” means to managers in companies. It’s very different from what an engineer would consider beneficial.



« Last Edit: June 20, 2024, 07:04:31 pm by golden_labels »
People imagine AI as T1000. What we got so far is glorified T9.
 

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Re: a lovely AI rant
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2024, 08:03:32 pm »
What do you think of this text?

The text is a blunt and passionate critique of the overhype surrounding AI. The author highlights how many AI projects are poorly executed or fraudulent, driven by a culture of grifters and incompetence. They argue that companies should focus on fundamental IT competencies rather than chasing AI trends without understanding or need. This perspective is valuable for its emphasis on practical, grounded approaches in technology over sensationalism.
 
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Re: a lovely AI rant
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2024, 03:33:10 pm »
What do you think of this text?

The text is a blunt and passionate critique of the overhype surrounding AI. The author highlights how many AI projects are poorly executed or fraudulent, driven by a culture of grifters and incompetence. They argue that companies should focus on fundamental IT competencies rather than chasing AI trends without understanding or need. This perspective is valuable for its emphasis on practical, grounded approaches in technology over sensationalism.

Sounds like an autogenerated summary by some bot to me.
 

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Re: a lovely AI rant
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2024, 03:46:06 pm »
Things I dislike? The tone brings a picture of a teenager, who just discovered how humanity works and gets angry about that. I may be wrong of course, but if I had that feeling, other readers may get the same impression. Including those, who should read this. There is no benefit in us circlejerking.

The tone is crude but I would disagree with the teenager image. I am personally in the same kind of position as the author, having been around these hype cycles and fads many times in my career already and having seen and still seeing first hand "how the sausage is made" in reality. Which is vastly different from these TEDx talks and polished PowerPoint decks presented by breathless jargon-spewing grifters. It is the same exact BS, with the same exact symptoms that is constantly repeating. Often with the same exact people pushing those things and raising funds for them, jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon as the hype for one fad dies down and for another one starts.

To me that is more an image of someone who has been around for long enough to exactly know how the world functions - and is irked by these clowns wasting his time. I had exactly the same reaction (including the language) at work today - colleague, who by his own words uttered few minutes earlier knows nothing about the subject, jumps into a debate and starts to question technical choices with "I have asked ChatGPT and it said that X and Y is important ..."

A few deep breaths and a long pause with a muted mic on my side later in order to maintain professional appearance I had to answer that nonsense - he is a manager and a stakeholder in the project.  When you have to deal with this sort of stuff daily or have seen it many times over, you do become cynical and short of temper. Especially once you are older and have low tolerance for fools.
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Re: a lovely AI rant
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2024, 03:48:38 pm »
Sorry, I was on my mobile and then forgot to edit on the PC.

--> What do you think of this text?

This was my question to ChatGPT 4o.

The following was his reply.

I couldn't have summed it up in a better way.

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Re: a lovely AI rant
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2024, 03:52:49 pm »
Sorry, I was on my mobile and then forgot to edit on the PC.

--> What do you think of this text?

This was my question to ChatGPT 4o.

The following was his reply.

I couldn't have summed it up in a better way.

I will give you the same question as to my colleague at work today - how do you think your comment contributes to the current debate?
 

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Re: a lovely AI rant
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2024, 04:01:41 pm »
It contributed by showing that the very AI the rant was about, has a pretty good opinion about the rant.


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