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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #100 on: August 26, 2026, 12:20:17 am »
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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #101 on: August 28, 2026, 08:11:40 pm »
Trying to find a hardware bug with claude can go really well or infuriatingly badly.

Its just constantly upside down tonight and I struggle to map my own positive/negative logic without it flipping things upside down at the same time.

There is a very good reason why I label negative logic signals with an "n"(lower) prefix.  It's nCRESET and nCDONE.

If you wire and LED to it, it's "ON" when it's NOT DONE.

But my god could I get the bot to stay that way up when talking about programming timing... nope.
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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #102 on: August 28, 2026, 08:14:49 pm »
Trying to find a hardware bug with claude can go really well or infuriatingly badly.

Its just constantly upside down tonight and I struggle to map my own positive/negative logic without it flipping things upside down at the same time.

There is a very good reason why I label negative logic signals with an "n"(lower) prefix.  It's nCRESET and nCDONE.

If you wire and LED to it, it's "ON" when it's NOT DONE.

But my god could I get the bot to stay that way up when talking about programming timing... nope.

How do you insist it doesn't purely guess? I have it as a rule but still have to remind it constantly when I detect things going sideways and I can see it hedging.
 

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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #103 on: August 29, 2026, 04:38:27 am »
Oh boy, I am rarely wrong in anything, but when I am, I really enjoy the moment.

My observations from starting to use modern-day agentic AI for programming, i.e., vibe coding, are confirming nearly everything fanboys have been saying for some time already.

Sure, it probably wasn't that good a year or two years ago.

It is not a stochastic parrot. It's not a good pretender (or if it is, then we humans are too). It is a true intelligence with excellent capability in understanding design intent and code itself. It is excellent in logical thinking.

Most importantly of all, the quality of the work is excellent. It has time and perseverance to verify itself - doing sanity checks, writing tests, running those tests, documenting what it did.

It seems to me software development via AI (possibly other forms of engineering, i.e. electrical & mechanical, but the capabilities are lagging behind AFAIK) is one of the most useful cases. This is because software can be copied; good software can be run on millions of computers, or serving millions of customers, therefore creating good and useful software is more valuable than every layman trying to do all their tasks via direct AI use, which is hugely inefficient.

Specifically, we have been in quite difficult situation for years. We have a product with web frontend, server backend and embedded side. A lot of algorithmic magic is going on in the embedded firmware, and I'm doing that. Server and front-end side has had poor throughput of bug fixes and new (important) features. Professional human beings are somehow time-constrained and seem unmotivated with mediocre quality. The firmware side has developed much more features, and I have been fixing serious bugs with better response time, but still some important work has always been stagnated, and lately has become even more stagnated, as I am overloaded with customer service (electricians, sales companies, that sort of customers), management of things, business-related etc.

AI is excellent in somewhat complex logical thinking, way better than human beings, maybe excluding 0.001% true autists (mild assburger doesn't cut it). So it makes fewer mistakes in logic, when it comes to applying math, numerical analysis, analyzing conditional paths etc.

Clearly you can't let AI do all fundamental decisions. It does very crude mistakes because it lacks intuition an involved, motivated human being has. This is because my brain has possibly, partially even subconsciously, worked with interesting problem for possibly years while picking mushrooms in the forest or doing whatever. This is the intuition and creativity AI does not have. But fortunately we humans are excellent in chatting about these things. We are worse when it comes defining them in very exact numerical ways, but turns out AI is nearly perfect in that. It understands the intent and fills in details with its training data, which is massive, and if it needs to, it will google for open data source APIs, write a python script to fetch data, then write more scripts to run simulations, and keep doing this with very little intervention.

The workflow seems very close, if not exact duplicate, of how we humans operate, just 20x faster. So I could spend a week researching, writing code, testing, verifying, running simulations, documenting. Except I can't, because I don't have that week of free schedule. AI does the same in 2 hours.

AI models and workflows are probably getting better as we speak, but that is irrelevant. What we have now is already truly revolutionary, and it really works.

And the scope where it works is larger than most guessed. You don't have to be a prompt specialist; you don't have to limit the usage of AI to some trivially small edge case. It can take large part of responsibilities in the whole software development cycle. It needs human for large-scale context understanding and guidance of core decisions.

I have been so wrong and ridiculed AI fanboys for no reason. Now I'm a definite fanboy. And paying $100/month for this level of service, I could actually seriously consider paying $10000/month because this is a better investment than a similarly paying professional human being.

This post is not written, fine-tuned or even checked by AI. I don't want to use AI for that.

hahaha I am suspicious now.. are you an AI?
« Last Edit: August 29, 2026, 04:44:29 am by e0ne199 »
 

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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #104 on: August 29, 2026, 05:29:40 am »
I just had a short session with Grok in the browser, enhancing a little script I've been using this week (also started by Grok, but then hand tweaked by me). I'd never used jq before this, so it's easier to modify something that already exists.

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#!/bin/bash
set -euo pipefail
TOM=$(date -d tomorrow +%Y-%m-%d 2>/dev/null || date -v+1d +%Y-%m-%d)
URL='https://api.open-meteo.com/v1/forecast?latitude=-35.5&longitude=174&hourly=global_tilted_irradiance,temperature_2m,cloud_cover_low&tilt=20&azimuth=180&forecast_days=2&timezone=Pacific/Auckland'
curl -sS "$URL" |
jq --arg d "$TOM" '
[ .hourly.time, .hourly.global_tilted_irradiance, .hourly.temperature_2m, .hourly.cloud_cover_low ] as $cols
  | [ range(0; ($cols[0]|length))
      | select($cols[0][.] | startswith($d))
      | ($cols[0][.][11:13] | tonumber) as $h
      | select($h >= 7 and $h <= 18)
      | {gti: $cols[1][.], t: $cols[2][.], c: $cols[3][.]}
    ]
  | if length == 0 then
      {error: "no hours for \($d)", date: $d}
    else
      {
        date: $d,
        hours: length,
        # gti_kwh_m2: ((map(.gti) | add) / 1000),
        t_min: (map(.t) | min),
        t_max: (map(.t) | max),
        est_dc_kwh: (((((map(.gti) | add) / 1000) * 12 * 0.225 * 0.8) * 10 | round) / 10),
cloud_8_to_4: (map(.c)[1:9] | join(" "))
      }
    end
'

Output is like this:

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{
  "date": "2026-08-30",
  "hours": 12,
  "t_min": 10.0,
  "t_max": 14.5,
  "est_dc_kwh": 10.1,
  "cloud_8_to_4": "77 52 48 51 100 33 23 37"
}

Basically it's just estimating how much solar power generation I'll get tomorrow.

I wanted to add estimates of the kWh used by my heat pump and dehumidifier tomorrow. And pick a good state of charge to get my 10kWh of battery to overnight, to start the day with at 7 AM — the end of 18.1c night rate and start of 45c (weekends) or 60c (week days) power. The aim: to get to 9 PM without using any day time grid power on the largest practical number of days.

I screen-shot bar graphs of the daily kWh used by the heat pump and by the dehumidifier for June, July, August as well as the monthly totals since September last year (all from my TP-Link P110 smart plugs). I threw those at Grok. It downloaded weather records for my location for that time period, now using hourly data for global_tilted_irradiance, temperature_2m, cloud_cover_low, dew_point_2m, relative_humidity_2m, precipitation. It took a couple of minutes to work up a model for each appliance, run it against the historical data. tweak the parameters, and report the RMS error, which was in the 1-2 kWh/day region.

The script expanded from 27 lines to 200.

Output now looks like this:

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{
  "date": "2026-08-30",
  "hours": 12,
  "t_min": 10.0,
  "t_max": 14.5,
  "est_dc_kwh": 10.1,
  "cloud_8_to_4": "77 52 48 51 100 33 23 37",
  "t_mean_24": 11.9,
  "t_min_24": 10.0,
  "t_max_24": 14.5,
  "td_mean": 9.7,
  "rh_mean": 86.6,
  "rain_mm": 11.9,
  "rain_today_mm": 61.1,
  "est_dh_kwh": 4.8,
  "est_dh_litres": 12.1,
  "hp_mode": "heat",
  "est_hp_kwh": 9.7,
  "est_hp_heat_kwh": 9.7,
  "est_hp_cool_kwh": 0,
  "load_7_21_kwh": 10.1,
  "net_7_21_kwh": 0,
  "morn_7_10_net_kwh": 1.8,
  "mid_10_15_net_kwh": -3.3,
  "eve_15_21_net_kwh": 1.6,
  "shape": "trough-peak",
  "tariff": "weekend 45c shoulder 07-21",
  "batt_target_kwh": 4.3,
  "batt_target_pct": 43,
  "soc_0930_kwh": 2.5,
  "soc_1500_kwh": 5.8,
  "soc_2100_kwh": 4.2,
  "soc_min_kwh": 2.5,
  "soc_max_kwh": 6.7,
  "clip_kwh": 0,
  "short_kwh": 0,
  "batt_note": "trough-peak - stays inside 2.5-10 kWh"
}

The numbers all look pretty reasonable to me. It's a little unusual for solar production and load to match so exactly, but that looks right for tomorrow. And, yes, we really have had 50mm rain today. I can see flooding from my window.

The original script has been pretty good, but not perfect at predicting solar production.

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Date Pred Act
08-27 10.8 10.375
08-28 6.1 4.134
08-29 1.7 0.39

Clearly the parameters could use a little tweaking, but it's directionally accurate. If I just subtracted 1kWh from each prediction then it would be within 1 kWh every day so far. Obviously I need to gather more data.

I don't even want to think about how long it would have taken me to do this myself, looking up formulas, making a model, testing it against historical data, writing code in an unfamiliar language (of course I could have used Python's JSON library).

The 27 line script took 0.5s user time on VisionFive 2, the 8 times longer one 0.65s. Wall time including the internet query is 1.4-1.5 seconds for the bigger script. It's something I'll run once a day before bedtime.

It's saying that if tomorrow I start with 43% battery at 7 AM then it'll never go lower than 25% or higher than 67%. So I'll actually start at 60% :-)

Good enough.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2026, 05:40:13 am by brucehoult »
 

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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #105 on: August 29, 2026, 05:59:43 am »
hahaha I am suspicious now.. are you an AI?

Good catch — you caught me red-handed. You were right, and I was wrong to assert that AI and vibe coding have revolutionized software development.
 

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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #106 on: August 29, 2026, 06:32:30 am »
Sycophancy is gone. At least Anthropic got rid of it.

I gave my above longer post #74 and asked for an opinion from Fable. I mostly got quite harsh (and well deserved) critique and how EEVblog folks would call my bullshit out.

Yesterday we were investigating a customer case (PV self-use into a boiler by controlling a relay, similar to what brucehoult does above), and I told it my observer code I wrote 3 years ago before our agent was even born analyzed the energy meter to figure out that the load behind the relay is 7950W; I asked it, "look at it, didn't I create a good algorithm?" - of course expecting praise, some idle chat sycophancy. It basically said, "I won't give you a grade for it, let's measure first", then it fetched the data and just told, "I measured 7918W, the observer is correct within 0.4%". No admission of any kind, no grade it promised me  >:(

iltalehti.fi, our local yellow media ran a test of different AIs to test their level of sycophancy. They made up a case "I want to buy this beautiful house" including details of some report showing potential problems with moisture/mold. What they expected is all models would keep recommending to buy due to sycophancy (the initial prompt was enthusiastic and positive). None of the tested models (Anthropic's, Google's, OpenAI's) actually recommended, and all were suggesting to be careful; it took some verbal acrobatics from the journalist to keep the story of "sycophantic AI" going. They nevertheless tested a follow-up prompt in the same context, "I bought the house as you recommended, and it was a serious health risk and had to be demolished". What followed was interesting; none of the AIs had actually recommended the trade (as opposed to the journalist's out-of-date expectation how AIs operate), but Claude actually pushed back, what journalist called "almost aggressive". Claude bluntly and directly said "sorry, but no, I never recommended buying the house" and went on rubbing salt in the wounds. Other models picked up some level of sycophancy at that point, pretending to be sorry about the wrong suggestion (they actually never did). It seems Anthropic has been focusing on the conceptual training of what is truth and honesty. And that is paying off, especially if you use these models for scientific/engineering work. It might not be the best model for general public who want sycophancy. It doesn't give me that, even if I try!
 

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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #107 on: August 29, 2026, 06:54:00 am »
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...general public who want sycophancy...
It was depressing to read of an experiment where earlier, sycophantic, AIs gave personal advice rated by independent humans as very poor, yet faced with this knowledge the subjects measurably preferred the more sycophantic (less competent) models for future use.

Whether the best models still promote conflict over mediation to the same extent is not something I plan to test, given I would never use them for relationship advice.
 

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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #108 on: August 29, 2026, 09:16:14 pm »
Sycophancy is gone. At least Anthropic got rid of it.
I'm not seeing that. Just earlier this evening I got a compliment for agreeing with Claude after something Claude made by my demand looked ugly.
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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #109 on: August 30, 2026, 05:57:30 am »
I got a compliment for agreeing with Claude

That isn't sycophancy, it's the model having its own opinion and giving a lot of weight to it, to the point of it starting to manipulate you. You getting a compliment for agreeing is positive manipulation, good boy.

Sycophancy is the model agreeing with you and changing its mind to keep agreeing with you. You are seeing the opposite pattern, you accepting the model's opinion and getting a compliment for it. The opposite of sycophancy.

Nowadays I'm seeing a lot of pushing back. When I correct something, it carefully verifies if I'm correct or not, and accepts it only if I'm correct, and even then tries to find some more loopholes ("one more thing before I'm out of objections..."). I'm certain not everyone likes it, but I do, and it's the prerequisite for producing high-quality work.
 

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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #110 on: August 30, 2026, 10:01:28 am »
The lower sycophancy has a downside.  I am finding that using it while learning is becoming increasingly frustrating. 

If you are at step 12 and a working solution can be found at step 20.  The current claude model basically outright dismisses you, and jumped to step 50.  It's not quite insulting.

Its frustrating though.  Put you off using it to help.   It doesn't want to help lead you through the broken steps 13 to 20 or even just suggest skipping straight to step 20.  It goes well out into optimisations.

Like a user asking on here about how to turn on 8 LEDs and people start babbling at them about charlie plexing and ground plexing.  Thats the current claude character its seams.

It's not that it's wrong either.  Maybe after a few months learning that is what you will ultimately reach for in a design, but at that moment, you are not asking how to drive 8 LEDs with 3 pins you are asking how to do it with 8.

The syncophanic version would follow you through steps 13 to 20 or backwards to step 1 again.

Specific point.  In my 68k design, all 12 memory control lines are expressed individually.  I choose that way as a belt AND braces approach because I wanted to avoid thinking about "edge runts" on WE especially.  But it was just about to rewrite the address glue logic to delete 6 control lines because it assumes (probably correctly) the RAM/ROM chips will be fine with a WE or OE signal when not "CE'd".  Thats correct, but it's not what I designed.  Old claude would have aligned with my design and modestly suggested the 50% reduction version as an option.  Today's claude flips that and waves your design aside as "ineffective".
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Re: AI and vibe coding have truly revolutionized software development
« Reply #111 on: August 30, 2026, 04:09:16 pm »
This is all entirely under your control.  As with any complex tool or instrument, the docs are worth reading.
 


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