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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2022, 09:25:06 pm »
I just picked a random example from your website: https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/180442/Johannes_Brenner

My conclusion is that I don't have the slightest idea what you are trying to achieve here. Some sales & marketing guy who did what exactly? Was he even (ever) in the electronics business? What does "Leuchtturm Unternehmen" have to do with electronics; what does it do anyway; why is that ethical?

Sorry, but this looks painfully like a circle of people patting each other on the back. Or like the "Handbook of Important People" which you can get into by invitation only or by paying a modest fee.  ::)

I am literally inviting you to come up with someone - no fees anywhere
change the patting on the back than by adding someone
 

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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2022, 10:16:04 pm »
Good luck trying to address the OP. She's just fishing for names active in this ethical business from a windows machine.


 

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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2022, 10:34:51 pm »
A moment please....

Can the  OP precise exactly which mandarins with sinecures at her organization/group/government  shall decree to the rest of us lowly peons, exactly how to define "ethical" ?

I would assume, the standard teachings on ethics.  Moral philosophy.  Kant, Bentham and others; it's standard curricula these days.  You're probably old enough not to have had such (or, to remember anything from them?) -- but no doubt familiar with the authors, so their application in the workplace should be straightforward. :-+

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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2022, 10:59:54 pm »
You have Greta Thunberg on this list, who has nothing to do with electronics, nor being ethical since she is a wunderkid talking about things she desn't understand. There are also a bunch of token people with gender and activist in their bio. Select someone, who consistently hired people based on their merit, and made sure that the employees have a low-stress working environment, and received fair compensation for their work, adjusted for inflation. Eg, probably none of these people.
BTW Last time I redesigned a board, and I removed a Tantalum capacitor from it. It's a conflict mineral, children in Afrika are forced to mine it. So I literally saved children.
 
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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2022, 05:42:19 pm »
You are not collating a list of people begin Ethical in Electronics.

You are collating a list of people who are Popular by telling others to behave ethically with respect to electronics, instead of behaving ethically themselves.

Seeing PR people on that list is like claiming that you are looking for the most intelligent physicists in the world, based on who has the most popular TikTok videos.  This is inane; stupid beyond belief.  You are not only misleading others, you are misleading yourself here too.  As a "modern journalist", you probably see yourself doing the right thing here: after all, you believe you journalists have the obligation of being "the gatekeepers of knowledge and right-think", instead of serving the public.

Popularity has no causation, and very little to no correlation, with anything else; definitely not ethics.  Even "ethics super-gurus" like Mahatma Gandhi were quite unethical in some of their practices – for example, his way of testing his resolve in abstinence by sleeping with nubile young women.  Yet, if he had ever fixed even a single electrical appliance, I'm sure he would be at the very head of your list.



If you genuinely wanted to find out those who actually are ethical in electronics –– as opposed to who are the most popular people that demand others to be more ethical –– you would immediately rule out all PR people, and instead look at past and present companies, especially smaller companies, and how they operate day-to-day.

As an example, consider PJRC, the developer and manufacturer of the Teensy microcontrollers.  They are not open-source hardware, because their bootloader is proprietary, but nevertheless, the general schematics and even the preprogrammed bootloader chip are available if one wants to make their own compatible board.  During COVID, PJRC took care of all of its employees, much beyond what the law would require there.  Recently, during the chip shortages, PJRC has kept users up to date on the forums on future availability and expected changes, and has deliberately avoided any kind of price gauging on the boards (see examples here and here).  Also, the Arduino add-on, Teensyduino, and all related libraries are available at Paul's GitHub repositories.  He has contributed several libraries to Arduino proper, too.

I'm sure there are lots of similar companies out there.  It's just that they're not popular enough to be considered "ethical" in lists like the one collated by OP, which is infuriating in my opinion.  Old timers here also occasionally reminisce about the old HP days, during the Bill and Dave era; I'm pretty sure it was a good example of an ethical electronics business back then.

Honestly, this popularity-is-the-key approach to problem solving nauseates me.  It's not just inane, it is deliberately misleading, and I consider it an indication of how a large fraction of humanity is devolving towards eusociality; how the physical reality does not matter at all when compared to how communications make people feel.  Utterly, utterly despicable.
 
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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2022, 01:40:30 pm »

So I thought I would ask some actual engineers to give me examples of people they think are being ethical in engineering, exactly because I do not know this as well as you would - a lot of insulting has followed
One post does at least contain a very helpful addition
(although PJRC is a company and not a person - who this would refer to is Paul Stoffregen I think https://github.com/PaulStoffregen )
THANK YOU! I will send him in to be be part of the index

There are multiple people putting this list together, we are all putting in people we know about so yes this is very limited set
and there is some googling/scraping going on for people that have 'sustainable' or 'ethical' function titles
I work as a freelancer for Elektor, my network comes both from the social science side of technology and being a very small scale manufacturer of electronic synthesizers, my adds to this WEEF index have been
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/182985/Heleen__de_Coninck
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/182983/Alexandra_Deschamps-Sonsino
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/182841/Eva_Gouwens
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/183268/Auke__Hoekstra
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/183342/Andrew_%22bunnie%22_Huang
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/184014/David_L._Jones
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/183020/Chris__Julien
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/183024/Marijn__Vervoorn
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/183025/Niels_Wielaard
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/184015/Naomi_Wu
You will notice - as I did - that these are often not the engineers but the CEOs, Proffessors or communicators in the space of electronics
This has to do with that they have a more powerful position to steer a company towards more ethical conduct and/or they are more openly communicating and can therefor be found and put in a list like this

I was hoping to improve this list with your contributions
 I now have 1  :-+





 

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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2022, 10:01:01 pm »
People posting critique have or had, including me, probably a genuine interest in the topic. I really spend some some time reading things here and there on the webpage you've linked too. Unfortunately, and that's the conclusion brought to you by those who posted here is that ethics in engineering is being abused by some of the people CEO's if you want on that list to push their marketing agenda. That in itself is not ethical and as stated more literally by some disgusting. It's also very unfortunate.

I was hoping to find some discussions, technical insight, thought provoking ideas, research... perhaps I didn't look deep enough after being confronted with marketing.

An other one if you want: from the article with Niels Wielaard.

a quote:
"They work together with fine brands and organizations: Bunge. Cargill. Wilmar. GAR. Musim Mas. Mondelez. Unilever. Pepsico. WorldBank. IFAD. Rabobank. ING Bank. Robeco. Actiam. Solidaridad. WWF. SOS. UTZ. And many others."

Ethical? What's next. Some of those companies have been in the news for:
-False marketing
-exploiting employees
-Supporting armed conflict
-Hiding information
...

Or, in general not giving a f-ck duck about anything.

Lobbyists of those companies can be found around the parliament almost every day having diner with those who can bring them some benefit.

It's rather strange if the critique you've received seems to insult you. A description of the tactic being put forward can be found in the works Charles Baudelaire if you want.
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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2022, 10:22:06 pm »

So I thought I would ask some actual engineers to give me examples of people they think are being ethical in engineering, exactly because I do not know this as well as you would - a lot of insulting has followed
One post does at least contain a very helpful addition
(although PJRC is a company and not a person - who this would refer to is Paul Stoffregen I think https://github.com/PaulStoffregen )
THANK YOU! I will send him in to be be part of the index

There are multiple people putting this list together, we are all putting in people we know about so yes this is very limited set
and there is some googling/scraping going on for people that have 'sustainable' or 'ethical' function titles
I work as a freelancer for Elektor, my network comes both from the social science side of technology and being a very small scale manufacturer of electronic synthesizers, my adds to this WEEF index have been
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/182985/Heleen__de_Coninck
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/182983/Alexandra_Deschamps-Sonsino
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/182841/Eva_Gouwens
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/183268/Auke__Hoekstra
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/183342/Andrew_%22bunnie%22_Huang
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/184014/David_L._Jones
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/183020/Chris__Julien
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/183024/Marijn__Vervoorn
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/183025/Niels_Wielaard
https://worldethicalelectronicsforum.com/index/184015/Naomi_Wu
You will notice - as I did - that these are often not the engineers but the CEOs, Proffessors or communicators in the space of electronics
This has to do with that they have a more powerful position to steer a company towards more ethical conduct and/or they are more openly communicating and can therefor be found and put in a list like this

I was hoping to improve this list with your contributions
 I now have 1  :-+

I am going to try to explain this politely.

This whole thing is misguided and a farce.
Most of people (persons with a name) working in industry are very ethical.
Electronics engineers are amongst smarter and generally well behaved people. They work hard and are honest. They all are ethical for most part.
There are no engineers that use slaves, child workers or toxic materials. It is companies that decide to do that and force employees to keep quiet about that. Or else..
I can name dozen of simple people that would better deserve to be on that list. But they are not digital celebrities...

It is companies that are those that don't behave ethically. Compile a list of that... That would useful.
Otherwise this is your version Miss Ethical Pageant competition. Or most ethical batchelor list... Or whatever useless lists "journalists" compile in todays second rate news publications...

That is why we all are completely confused what the heck are you trying to do here and to what purpose..




 
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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2022, 10:30:38 pm »
A moment please....

Can the  OP precise exactly which mandarins with sinecures at her organization/group/government  shall decree to the rest of us lowly peons, exactly how to define "ethical" ?
I would assume, the standard teachings on ethics.  Moral philosophy.  Kant, Bentham and others; it's standard curricula these days.  You're probably old enough not to have had such (or, to remember anything from them?) -- but no doubt familiar with the authors, so their application in the workplace should be straightforward. :-+
Since her list includes someone who promotes mass murder (Greta Thunberg) I suspect the original poster's concept of what is ethical does need to be questioned.
 

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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2022, 11:11:07 pm »
I'd looked at building elektor 2MHz LCR Meter Kit but €799.00 seemed a bit high priced.
Fortissimo-100 Audio Power Amplifier Kit single channel €229.00 plus dual power supplies, and again it seems way overpriced.
Should we discuss the ethics of gouging your customers lol. Oh wait, this where the money comes from for these bogus virtuous endeavors.
Elektor issue sells for CAD $16 at the magazine store, or CAD $8 for the e-magazine. I grieve the death spiral of electronics magazines as they try to adapt- and fail. They have limited energy and this kind of journalistic activity seems so nice and as I've said, a colossal waste guaranteeing the end of the magazine whilst changing nothing significant in the world.
 

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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2022, 01:21:58 pm »
Most of people (persons with a name) working in industry are very ethical.
Electronics engineers are amongst smarter and generally well behaved people. They work hard and are honest. They all are ethical for most part.

Well, I wouldn't go that far.  I've met some rather mediocre engineers in my time.  Some of whom I'm sure would be quite interested in joining or supporting $shady_organization as long as it pays well.  Or, put another way... I'm sure there's no shortage of ones that gambled their savings on the crypto boom.  I don't know anyone... who's admitted to it, at least, ;D but I'm sure they're out there.

Other cases in point:
Engineers had to design all those things used for killing and oppression.  Weapons (whether side arms, military bombs, etc.), surveillance, vehicles (anything from battleships and tanks, to whatever customized builds cops drive around), and just general industry nastiness (abattoirs, say?).

And sure, maybe an individual doesn't have a problem with any one of those things, or does but happens to work in a different sector, or etc.  Not everyone is vegan.  Not everyone is pacifist / prefers peace.  Or even those that do, perhaps prefer to weigh the defense value more highly (a mixed-use clause, in effect), simply accepting that such tools are as often used for oppression (whether domestic or foreign, and by whoever happens to have them).

But, well, that's in part why you'll never run out of engineers to do things.

Anyway, for the most part, none of this matters, as -- both by common understanding, and in practice -- engineers largely do what managers tell them to.

Hence the general griping above.

Despite being "professionals", we really have very little liberty, or autonomy, in our work.

So it reduces to the usual case of, who's giving orders.  No soldier ever got executed for "I was just following orders" (or at least... not nearly as many), but they sure as hell did for disobeying them.

For better or worse, we're little more than highly educated soldiers in a much larger "conflict" that is the world market, waged with dollars rather than bullets, but both are interchangeable at a sufficient level of abstraction (read: "money is violence", even if incrementally so).

So it reduces to the same old class conflict as ever.

And in that vein, I might suggest some examples:

https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+engineer+walkout
This is mostly retail workers, but for the retail arm of a major tech company.

Likewise Facebook (mostly low level employees I think, not so much engineers?), Amazon (especially their exploitative warehouses), etc.

Amazon in particular has uniform management pressure i.e. massive mandatory turnover, by upper-level decree, even in their cloud/software space.  Not so bad that workers have sought to unionize that segment, AFAIK.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/08/954710407/at-google-hundreds-of-workers-formed-a-labor-union-why-to-protect-ourselves
Google isn't immune.  It's been a long, long time since they pulled their "do no evil" slogan, remember.

https://www.google.com/search?q=blizzard+unionization
Game devs however are facing not just the same bullshit that's clamping down on the rest of us, but actually abusive, harassing workplaces besides.  Mandatory crunch time and unpaid overtime are just the beginning at some of these places.

Perhaps some of the union leaders are worthy of highlighting, but I would suggest an individual focus is erroneous, and highlighting the effort that these collectives have put in (or are trying to achieve).

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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2022, 07:57:16 pm »
So I thought I would ask some actual engineers to give me examples of people they think are being ethical in engineering, exactly because I do not know this as well as you would - a lot of insulting has followed
We may be crass, but we are honest, and we care.  Which would you rather have, vapid but ignorant encouragement, or crass but honest opinions with the basis for those opinions explained?  I am limited, and politically correct perky socially aware discourse taxes me more than hard, disgusting, physical labour.

Do note that the "insults" are due to the fact that by "asking who people think are being ethical in engineering", you are not finding out who are actually ethical in engineering; you are finding out who are popular and project themselves as caring about ethics in engineering.

The exact same thing has been discussed with respect to sites like StackOverflow (and the entire Stack Exchange network), where the assumption is that the most popular answer is the likeliest to be correct.  Here, there are quite a few scientists and engineers who have participated there but left in disgust, exactly because that is definitely not the case.  Instead, the easiest answers are the most popular.  The only rational conclusion is that treating such sites as if they promote correct answers is propagating a falsehood; lying and misleading others.

I want to help, be useful, and help others learn.

I also did run my own IT business during the turn of the millenium, in the '95-'05 timeframe.  I was not suitable to be a CEO, because this industry is so full of exploiters, and especially "posers" –– people who talk one thing, but do a completely different thing, and really only succeed because of their ability to manipulate social situations and handle PR.  I myself consider my practices ethical, up to once cutting out a client I was subcontracting for, and going to the actual paying client and doing the job pro bono, because the one I was subcontracting for was trying to shaft both of us.  That's how I "retaliate".

Okay, so how would this kind of article be properly researched, then?  Two words: investigative journalism.  At minimum, you would look at the suggested people, and check if they are PR, marketing, or pure Cxx-level executives –– in which case they might be ethical business people, but have very little to do with actual electronics! –– or if they actually do ethical electronics in their day-to-day operations.

Yet, it seems that there are no journalists anymore doing this kind of drudge work.  Instead, there are just opinions, interviews, and lists of opinions.
Heck, even science/engineering topics are no longer covered as science/engineering, but as a human story: instead of describing what, why, where, the "articles" describe who, how they felt, how should you feel about this.

Again, we may be crude and seem hostile (when one is used to politically correct socially aware interactions), but we are honest and would prefer you to do better and succeed, than just push the same crud everyone else is pushing in your field; just like we'd prefer other scientists and engineers to do better than what the fields are overall doing right now.  I personally consider direct honesty more ethical than being socially aware but reserved.

PJRC is a company and not a person
It's a company run by Paul J. Stoffregen and Robin Coon, as you would have found if you had bothered to open PJRC.com and clicked the About Us button in the About Us box in the left side of the page.
Paul is the main author (for both the hardware and software), and Robin handles most of the business side.
I do recommend you take a look at the forum PJRC maintains, to see how actual users see the company.  My opinion is irrelevant, but the underlying reasons for my opinions may be useful to others.

Can you not see why engineers and scientists here are unhappy about how you (plural, indicating "even science and electronics journalists in leading publications") are doing this task?  It is first instinct for us to go look at the background information – typically vendor site, manufacturer site, part datasheets or application notes –, because that is absolutely required for understanding the task at hand.  It is among the first things anyone learns at college or university, finding pertinent information.

Similar well known companies are Adafruit, founded by Limor "Ladyada" Fried; Sparkfun, founded by Nathan "Nate" Seidle; and Olimex, a Bulgarian company founded in 1991.  Many, if not most, of their products have been copied by Chinese manufacturers, and are the reason for the proliferation of the various microcontroller modules available on eBay, AliBaba, Banggood, Amazon, etc.  Not only are many (but not necessarily all, due to various reasons) of their designs open-source hardware (OSHW), but they have even provided the software and drivers needed for hobbyists and prototype developers to use to get quickly started!
Just look at Olimex, for example, and their OLinuXino OSHW Linux single-board computers, and the support they provide for all; no registration or even being a customer required.

Only when something cannot be completely open (like the Teensy boot loader, to stop them being duplicated by cheap Chinese manufacturers, and ensure the further development of the boards), is it closed, to ensure their products are of maximum utility to users/hobbyists/developers.  Even the lifetimes of their products are much longer than typical in electronics –– see Olimex and PJRC for example.  What is more ethical than that in electronics?

Or, say, people like Dave (the owner of this site, Dave Jones the EEVblog guy), who debunk horribly wasteful ideas (like solar roadways and walkways, batterizers) and reviews tools he finds useful; or say BigClive of bigclive.com, who takes apart lights (especially cheap decorative lights) and power supplies and powerbanks, and as an electrician, describes how useful they are?  Isn't that more ethical than a CEO flying around in a private jet, talking about how the plebs ordinary people need to cut their consumption so that the world won't self-destruct?

If I were you, assuming you work somewhere around Europe, I'd definitely contact Olimex and do a bit of research on how they came up with their attitude towards their customers (which most do consider ethical, and thus relevant), and use that information to reflect on the backgrounds and actions (as opposed to written speeches and PR talk) of the people already in your list.

Unless, of course, you (plural, your editor etc.) are really only interested in collating a list of popular people that other people consider ethical and who might be tangentially involved in some electronics stuff.  I suspect that is actually the case; I do recommend you check with your editor first.

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If it matters any, I do wholeheartedly believe you have only the best of intentions here.  You should not consider any of what I've written here as being about your person; it is all specifically, and only, about how you're going about this particular task.  Any insults are directed at what and how you are doing a thing, not at yourself.

(This distinction is important to me, because I use the pseudonym "Nominal Animal" for that express purpose: to remind myself that any feedback I get is about my interactions with others, and not about my person.  I can change my interactions somewhat, but not who I am as a person.  As a result, if you look at my posting history here, you'll find cases where I am in "heated" debate with someone in one thread, while perfectly calmly trying to help them with a completely unrelated issue in another, or thanking them for useful help in one of my own issues.  This is what it means to be a "technical person".)

The topic at hand is sensitive to many of us, because we are tired of dealing with people who talk the talk, but do a completely different thing in real life, and we hate that kind of behaviour being rewarded.  We are the people who work hard to make better things, but whose efforts are almost never acknowledged, simply because we're not people-persons.  Yet, without us (technical people), everyone else would fall into the dark ages.

This has to do with that they have a more powerful position to steer a company towards more ethical conduct and/or they are more openly communicating and can therefor be found and put in a list like this.
And yet, a vast majority of them only do so because at the moment, it makes business sense.  The moment they no longer get additional publicity by "making ethical decisions", they immediately change.

I have a particular favourite example, but outside electronics: former Finnish minister of interior, Maria Ohisalo.  Before her political career, she was an often-interviewed poverty researcher, who often berated politicians about hiring officials based on their political affiliations instead of their credentials and ability.  A couple of years later, as minister of interior, one of her first acts was replacing the highest officials in the ministry (which is not common in Finnish politics at all) by people affiliated with her own party.  "Do as I say, not as I do."



To be honest, I really expected to be excoriated, because I have been mulling this for weeks now, and couldn't hold back my own strong emotions on this.  I do hope Prisca (and others) see that my negative feelings are about the thing at hand, and that there is no ill will towards any person here.  Well, except for the PR and Cxx types that talk one thing, and do the opposite; they I hope get their comeuppance, and learn to do better.  I don't want any physical or lasting emotional damage to befall them either; only enough of a temporary hit that they see how the dissonance between their speech and actions  is causing lasting damage to not only the society overall (because it turns people from appreciating good actions towards good speech while ignoring any actions), but to the world itself –– you should check how much emissions a private plane has per flight if one considers the manufacturing and fuel production and transport costs as well, as is often done for "consumer" car emissions.

I would wager half my disposable monthly income that the vast majority of members here agree with the second and third sentence in the above paragraph.  Hopefully that still counts.
 
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Re: Who is being Ethical in Electronics?
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2022, 11:19:08 pm »
[ a long post that I completely agree with, and I thank Nominal for writing]  BTW, David Jones (EEVblog) is on that big list of ethical nominees, I don't know when that happened.

Ethical?  What does that even mean in this context?  I read the nomination page and apparently this is all about "influencers".

But here's a name: Hans Summers, founder and owner of QRP Labs.  I have no idea what Hans thinks about politics, sustainability, diversity, or any of the other areas that are apparently so critical to being considered "ethical", and I don't know what he would think about this "ethical" list.  But I can tell you that Hans has taken his passion and turned it into a small business developing and selling ham radio kits for an extremely fair price.  Hans is clever and helpful, and by his efforts has contributed much to the amateur community.  I will take that over yet another "influencer" any day of the week.
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