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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2016, 06:38:31 am »
Randomly giving away a 15K scope is just a big marketing stunt.  It's not charity, and it's not about what the person is going to do with it.  It's like when Sparkfun gave away $200K of stuff in one day, $100 per person.  $200K in stuff was worth the exposure and getting people to make accounts and put things in their shopping cart.  The answer to how to run the 15K scope marketing stunt is whatever gives the most return on the expense. 
Based on that, I like the suggestion of forum users with 100+ legit posts.  That gives you more forum members and posts and at the same time converts the youtube lurkers into possible regular revenue generating forum posters.

The argument couldn't certainly be made that it should be active forum users only because those people are contributing to the community discussions.
If I included Youtuber commenters then there is no easy way (if at all?) to see if that user actively contributes to community discussion on my Youtube videos.
In fact, the odds are likely in favour of an anonymous Youtuber commenter would win given the numbers.
If I do chose forum-only then I will have to pre-announce now to give new people time to join and contribute if they want to enter.
Last time I did this there was a big stink though about a huge spike in people joining and useless posts just to get their post count up.

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If only more people knew what an oscilloscope was you could probably make more than $15K from views by saying how expensive it is and then smashing it, or lighting it on fire, or blending it in a chipper shredder or something in a youtube video like people do when new Apple stuff comes out.

Would take at least 3M views to get $15k out of one video!
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2016, 06:40:53 am »

Last time I did this there was a big stink though about a huge spike in people joining and useless posts just to get their post count up.


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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2016, 06:42:07 am »
If only more people knew what an oscilloscope was you could probably make more than $15K from views by saying how expensive it is and then smashing it, or lighting it on fire, or blending it in a chipper shredder or something in a youtube video like people do when new Apple stuff comes out.

That's why Apple fan(atic)boys are creatively stupid. AFAIK, Keysight fanboys are usually more intelligent and sane.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2016, 06:43:01 am »
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If only more people knew what an oscilloscope was you could probably make more than $15K from views by saying how expensive it is and then smashing it, or lighting it on fire, or blending it in a chipper shredder or something in a youtube video like people do when new Apple stuff comes out.

Would take at least 3M views to get $15k out of one video!

3M views... BAM!

5M views.. BAM!

13M Views... BAM!


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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2016, 06:44:29 am »
A recipe that will result in the same outcome every time.

Set a latest registration date limit, plus banning all malicious, nonsense, post-for-count posters.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2016, 06:49:47 am »
If only more people knew what an oscilloscope was you could probably make more than $15K from views by saying how expensive it is and then smashing it, or lighting it on fire, or blending it in a chipper shredder or something in a youtube video like people do when new Apple stuff comes out.

That's why Apple fan(atic)boys are creatively stupid. AFAIK, Keysight fanboys are usually more intelligent and sane.

There is also a stronger negative response to Apple products than to Keysight ones.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2016, 06:50:43 am »
3M views... BAM!

They are all iPhones, a kinda bigger target audience  ::)
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #57 on: February 06, 2016, 06:54:42 am »
dave you can sell this item and buy alot of nice but fairly priced scopes, meters ,maybe electronic loads etc and giveaway lots of items upto 5 -10 items. this will prevent winners selling the 15k scope and making money fast.
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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #58 on: February 06, 2016, 07:00:48 am »
I don't think Keysight would be too impressed.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2016, 07:07:30 am »
all of their brand could be keysight then.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #60 on: February 06, 2016, 07:09:09 am »
Still ... they're not offering these particular scopes for no reason.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #61 on: February 06, 2016, 07:13:23 am »
then dave will challange a big job giving this item fairly.

i think dave can ask why they need that particular scope for their work and make it proofed by a video on youtube. and make it video contest.

i think it is a very fair way.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #62 on: February 06, 2016, 07:34:07 am »

i think dave can ask why they need that particular scope for their work and make it proofed by a video on youtube. and make it video contest.


You just excluded thousands of people and cut the interest level overall.  You would also exclude myself, since I would not need a scope over $5k.  Also, if you mean 'their work' as being an income generating activity, then you just excluded students, people doing their own research and any hobbyist.  Not to mention that, if their 'work' makes such a scope a necessity, then it would have likely been purchased already.

Requiring submissions to be via video adds an extra level of complexity that could require the most eligible entrant to have to get into the video scene - which they may have no idea about.  Driving a scope is not the same as videography.

You might as well invite submissions from people as to why they should be allowed to enter the giveaway.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #63 on: February 06, 2016, 07:39:18 am »
1. Dave wants to maximise new viewers and form members.
2. Dave wants to expend as little effort on judging etc as possible.

Solutions?
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2016, 07:43:06 am »
I would seriously love to have a beast like that on my workbench - and any way to improve my chances would be appealing, but defining rules around my situation to exclude others is just wrong.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #65 on: February 06, 2016, 07:45:10 am »
then he will make a video then subscribers comment answers of 10 episode coverage quiz .   then he will make another video and make an lottery from subscribers that correct answered the quiz.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #66 on: February 06, 2016, 07:47:29 am »
I'm only guessing here - but I don't think Dave will have time for all that!
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #67 on: February 06, 2016, 08:52:35 am »
Dave, just send them to me.. I'll sort it out for you.
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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #68 on: February 06, 2016, 08:57:48 am »
1. Dave wants to maximise new viewers and form members.
2. Dave wants to expend as little effort on judging etc as possible.

Solutions?

If it is only for viewers and posts, then just open post and let people to flood the forum, then use this to decide who gets the scopes:

 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #69 on: February 06, 2016, 09:16:40 am »

open to any forum member with 100 (or whatever) *real* and useful posts as of April 10 (or whatever date).


That will be a problem.  Firstly, to define (you will have arguments out the wazoo) and secondly, to implement (how much work would be involved?)

It's an arbitrary metric wholly decided by Dave.  But it's like porn... you know it when you see it.  There's nothing wrong with limiting in any way he sees fit.

Having said that, and on second thought, I personally think it should be forum members who were registered before the video date and with X posts.  Otherwise, when word gets out (and it will) that all you need to do to possibly win a $15,000 scope is register on a site, there will be TONS of registrations from people who have exactly zero interest in electronics who are dying to win the scope so they can toss it up on eBay.

I would the criteria Dave cares about are contributors or legit users, and I would bet the manufacturer would just like it to go to an electronics guy - whether a noob or an old hat or a hobbyist or a pro - as long as it's someone who is interested in electronics.



Side note : I listed some free parts on Craigslist (essentially the free want-ads for those not familiar).  Within minutes, I had dozens of replies... "I will take it!".  Upon trying to be fair and reply to the first guy, he said "What is it that you are giving away again?  Can you send me a list?".  There are tons of people that troll Craigslist for free stuff then try to sell it right back on CL or eBay or whatever.  Screw those folks.  And a $15k scope?  That would be the win of a lifetime.  If word got out, the number of non-electronics people registering for the scope would exceed by far the total number of existing users, making it likely one of them wins and not a legit user.

Dave can do a video announcing the giveaway and saying it's open for EXISTING forum users, then mention that there have been multiple giveaways in the past, so people should sign up for the forum and participate so they are in the running for the next one.

Anyone who isn't really interested in the content won't likely register and be an active user for the chance to possibly enter a future drawing - too much work for a selfish asshole without guaranteed reward.  But it will encourage legit users to sign up and participate. 
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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #70 on: February 06, 2016, 09:27:19 am »
Considering the value, I really think it should be something that requires some significant amount of effort to
participate rather than a random draw.
Maybe submit a 10 second video showing why your scope isn't good enough, or what you need it for.

In terms of getting useful things to those that need them most, I also wonder if it might be better to ask them if maybe more, lower-value products would be better than a couple of high-end ones.

As regards duty/ tax issues, I'd expect Keysight can handle it by shipping via their local sales office/distributor.


 
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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #71 on: February 06, 2016, 09:56:41 am »
I'm with Mike on this one. Ideally, such a high-end scope should go to someone who will make use of its sophisticated features in a hobbyist environment. The contest should be limited to long term members who would have to present their current advanced project and explain how it would benefit from using some of the scope's unique features.

I can understand that the financial aspect is key though and the scheme that provides you with the highest revenue should be the one to implement.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #72 on: February 06, 2016, 10:02:15 am »
I'm with Mike on this one. Ideally, such a high-end scope should go to someone who will make use of its sophisticated features in a hobbyist environment. The contest should be limited to long term members who would have to present their current advanced project and explain how it would benefit from using some of the scope's unique features.

If it should go to the most worthy, or where it could potentially get the most use, then I might as well just donate it to the local hacker space?

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I can understand that the financial aspect is key though and the scheme that provides you with the highest revenue should be the one to implement.

I don't really get "revenue" from this, at least not in a direct tangible way, regardless of how I run it.
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #73 on: February 06, 2016, 10:06:11 am »
If it is not feasible to give them away based on merit just get a random number from Random.org
 

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Re: BIG EEVblog Giveaway Coming Up
« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2016, 10:08:37 am »
Awesome!
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Ideas and thoughts?
How about "The winner must not already have a high end scope, has to live in Slovakia and his forum nick name must start with a 'd' and end with a 'aqq'"? That would certainly seem fair to me...  ;D

More realistically, I don't think that there is any universally fair system that would draw from all of your sources (youtube, this forum, facebook apparently not?) automatically. Particularly because of reasons previously explained that free stuff trolls will flock around, create a hundred accounts etc.

All in all I agree with Mike - at least some effort should be required to enter.

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If it should go to the most worthy, or where it could potentially get the most use, then I might as well just donate it to the local hacker space?
That's an idea! Make a contest where hacker spaces rather than individuals can enter.
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