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Title: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on February 06, 2016, 05:49:06 pm
This poll might be a bit biased considering where it is posted, but lets see.
And as mentioned, there will be a 2nd scope exclusive for Patreon and Forum supporters
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: RobertoLG on February 07, 2016, 08:58:41 am
I'm not participating of the draw, just saying
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: blueskull on February 07, 2016, 09:01:02 am
IMHO it should be skill based, unless you want an absolute beginner to get it and see it ends up on eBay.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Tandy on February 07, 2016, 09:17:10 am
As the giveaway this time is such a high-value item I would suggest a different approach.

1st scope to be offered to non-profit groups like hacker spaces so that a number of people would benefit from it, rather than it going straight on ebay and the pocketing the cash. Get the groups to send in a post card or a video with an idea for an EEV blog video.

2nd scope random selection for your supporters, perhaps this would encourage more people to sign up as supporters in the hope of winning the scope, so you get something out of it as well. Only fair seeing how much effort you put into the EEVblog, without which the scopes wouldn't have been up for grabs.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: blueskull on February 07, 2016, 09:19:20 am
2nd scope random selection for your supporters, perhaps this would encourage more people to sign up as supporters in the hope of winning the scope, so you get something out of it as well. Only fair seeing how much effort you put into the EEVblog, without which the scopes wouldn't have been up for grabs.

If it ends up on eBay, I do not think Keysight will send giveaways to Dave anymore.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Tandy on February 07, 2016, 09:25:44 am

If it ends up on eBay, I do not think Keysight will send giveaways to Dave anymore.

Just to clarify, what I mean is that some random person who doesn't need a top end scope who wins it is likely to sell it on eBay and buy a $200 Rigol, keeping all the cash. If it goes to a hacker space it kind of minimises that possibility because it belongs to the group. And even if it did end up being sold the proceeds would go to the group rather than being a windfall for someone.

but yes, I think Keysight wouldn't be impressed to see it put on eBay by some chancer.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Corporate666 on February 07, 2016, 09:45:20 am
IMHO it should be skill based, unless you want an absolute beginner to get it and see it ends up on eBay.

Skill is not a good correlator with likelihood of it ending up on eBay.  Just because someone has a high skill level, doesn't mean they don't need (or would rather have) the money instead, or that they don't already own a high-end scope and would sell this one.

Whenever competitions try to prevent the winner doing a quick sale, they retain ownership until after some time period.  If Dave wanted to do the same, he would need to lease the scope to the winner for a 3 year (or whatever) period for $1 per month or something, and after 3 years - and proof of continued possession of the winner, he would release title and they could sell it.

But that is a huge hassle that Dave isn't going to want to deal with.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: daybyter on February 07, 2016, 09:52:14 am
Create a 'Dave' sign from blinking, flashing LEDs. Make a video of it while it is mounted to your house wall. Send schematics, parts list. You get points for best optical effects, least parts, cheapest realization etc.  :D
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: mtdoc on February 07, 2016, 09:52:25 am

1st scope to be offered to non-profit groups like hacker spaces so that a number of people would benefit from it

While that is a nice sentiment, I think it would be foolish to put such a scope in a hacker space. It would likely disappear within a few days.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: wraper on February 07, 2016, 10:08:05 am
Maybe minimum post count, like 10-15 but no more than 2 posts per day will count to be eligible. This is to avoid huge desire to easily enter the giveaway without actually posting something useful. Even if those posts will have no actual value, at least that person will need some patience to get them, and will weed out those who actually have no intention to participate on this forum.
Also long term members who made only a few posts could be an exception to minimum post count if they made at least one post in the last six months.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: digsys on February 07, 2016, 10:13:31 am
What about -
Start up with the usual BIO. Contestant described what he does, and his planned future use should he win. He MUST include some sort of PROOF about
who he is. either a website, past history of activity, of some sort or another. DNA samples would be ideal ! :-)
THEN, from this list, subscribers vote for a winner or a short list of say 10? (5?). Finally use a random draw !! That prevents any type of STACKING !
The second draw would be similar, and open to all for voting.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: apelly on February 07, 2016, 10:26:43 am
If it ends up on eBay, I do not think Keysight will send giveaways to Dave anymore.
This is the twats in Marketing remember? They already got their value from the 100 people that thought about their stuff for a moment due to all this noise on the forum.

I reckon forum members with minimum post count = 1

Start a thread. Get people to post in it. Remove suspicious IP/Username oddities. Pick one at random.

If your viewers are too lazy to spend 120 seconds enrolling in the forum they don't want the thing, do they?
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: DimitriP on February 07, 2016, 11:26:30 am
IMHO it should be skill based, unless you want an absolute beginner to get it and see it ends up on eBay.

Or worse... come here with "how can I view the trace from the starter capacitor in my A/C unit?"  kind of questions (yes I love those , can you tell?)

Either skills based or everyone send a postcard from their current home town to Dave (scanned or photographed to a contest email address; this way nothing shows up 8 months later because of a post office screwup).

and before Dave ships it out, the winner should aggree to not sell it for at least three years or they will be
A)  be banned from here and
B)  his/her name and address wil be made public so he/she can be spanked appropriately :)
 
and post at least one picture of it every 6 months to prove they are still in posession of it

Well... if that doesn't keep away the riff-raff , nothing much else will :)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: vk6zgo on February 07, 2016, 01:29:13 pm
As a curmudgeon,I've voted:-
"As before, active forum members only (minimum post count)"

That said,a high end Oscilloscope would be wasted on me,& maybe other Forum members.
I'm unlikely to do anything in my declining years that I can't do with my Tek 7613.

I guess I could put it on display in the lounge room & gloat! ;D
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on February 07, 2016, 02:56:02 pm
That said,a high end Oscilloscope would be wasted on me,& maybe other Forum members.

I would likely think that could apply to the majority of members.

I know myself, that if I had a scope costing more than $5K, it would be an overspend.  But having such a prize is more than matching performance to need...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ozwolf on February 07, 2016, 03:06:23 pm
I wonder if Keysight would consider one hi-end scope (perhaps for the supporters), and the second scope in equivalent value of 2000 series scopes?  Dave could give away 7 of those to the forum members with postings as of January 30?

Ozwolf
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: pickle9000 on February 07, 2016, 03:18:44 pm
I would make a minimal post count and forum membership (say 10 forum posts) but other than that have at it. You have one to support the long time members so no big deal there.

This contest should be beneficial to the person donating the equipment but to the Dave's business. This allows for the widest possible audience and could be a real boost for the forum membership count, YouTube views.   
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on February 07, 2016, 03:21:35 pm
I wonder if Keysight would consider one hi-end scope (perhaps for the supporters), and the second scope in equivalent value of 2000 series scopes?  Dave could give away 7 of those to the forum members with postings as of January 30?

Ozwolf

You could ask - but I would think Keysight want to get maximum exposure for this high end model rather than a 5 year old model.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on February 07, 2016, 04:06:29 pm
I'd go with:
Min 100 posts
Must be member for 1 year+
Active member (for dave to interpret as he wishes)

That will wead out the people who join just to enter, and those those that go back to their inactive account and post 99 new posts to get enough (still doesn't count as active).

Game of skill wouldn't never work, some are experts at repair, some in mechanical, some in software dev, some in circuit design, etc etc. How would you pick questions easy enough for everyone to know, but hard enough not to be defeated with google ?

I don't think there is anyway to 'test' people's likelyhood to keep an expensive scope (no one in this thread has said what it is exactly). On paper I wouldn't be someone that would keep it, but the reality of having a project that needs a decent scope (and not having anything at all), and having not won anything in the past 20 years, mean I would chain the thing to my bench.

Only other thought it to award the prize to a project (if dave likes the project you submit), you get the scope. That would show need for said piece of test equipment.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on February 07, 2016, 04:22:05 pm
but yes, I think Keysight wouldn't be impressed to see it put on eBay by some chancer.

Then they will be mighty upset when dozens find their way on ebay at the end of March, they are giving away 30 of them.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on February 07, 2016, 04:26:16 pm
If your viewers are too lazy to spend 120 seconds enrolling in the forum they don't want the thing, do they?

True.
As for Youtube commenters, as mentioned, no real way to tell if that person is an active commenter, so they video will just get 10,000 "I'm In" comments and odds are that is the first time they have ever contributed.
I think the argument from the last contest was not that tons of new people joined the forum (I think it was >1000?), but that the minimum post requirement was 5, so the forum got flooded with a ton of useless posts.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on February 07, 2016, 04:27:57 pm
but yes, I think Keysight wouldn't be impressed to see it put on eBay by some chancer.

Then they will be mighty upset when dozens find their way on ebay at the end of March, they are giving away 30 of them.


Just thinking on that ... they probably won't mind.  The giveaway itself will result in the word being spread - which is what you would expect them to want to happen.

A second thought ... having them turn up on eBay mightn't be a bad thing either.  It will continue the interest and there will be some who might just try for a chance at a (comparative) bargain.

Just fuels the lust.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on February 07, 2016, 04:29:22 pm
so the forum got flooded with a ton of useless posts.

 :-- :-- :--
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: DimitriP on February 07, 2016, 04:50:34 pm
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Only other thought it to award the prize to a project (if dave likes the project you submit), you get the scope. That would show need for said piece of test equipment.

hey...that would be completely unfair to the people that can't start working on projects because they lack a "proper lab" ...

Realistically though, no matter how the lucky ones get picked , only two people will be happy in the end; the ones that got the scopes.

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: apelly on February 07, 2016, 05:12:38 pm
I think the argument from the last contest was not that tons of new people joined the forum (I think it was >1000?), but that the minimum post requirement was 5, so the forum got flooded with a ton of useless posts.
Yup.

But if some of that thousand are still around then we're all better off aren't we?

How about you announce the winner in a new thread and give them a couple of days to get in touch? That'll keep the n00bs coming back for a while and some might get hooked.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on February 07, 2016, 05:16:09 pm
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Only other thought it to award the prize to a project (if dave likes the project you submit), you get the scope. That would show need for said piece of test equipment.

hey...that would be completely unfair to the people that can't start working on projects because they lack a "proper lab" ...

Hasn't stopped me, I have PCB designs, BOM lists, some of the parts, software I can adapt etc. Though baring any PCB design issues, the scope is needed further in when I need to refine the design and get it working with other people's equipment.

But I do sort of agree with you, as I could see this becoming a Kickstarter style e-Wang contest, where people invent elaborate designs they lack the skill to actually build.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on February 07, 2016, 07:11:10 pm
Who in electronics wouldn't love a 1G scope?   8)

What makes this forum, not only Dave and his much admired eccentric style but the many hundreds of tireless members freely giving their time to help those with much less knowledge than themselves. Mike, Hero, Howard, Ian, zucca, TiN, Bravo, Sean, Tim are only a very few of those that make this forum just what it is. How do you thank these people?
(My apologies to those I've omitted)

Nominations of those worthy of such a prize followed by a poll to build a shortlist, then another to find a most valued member.
Of course if they were to refuse the prize they would have the option to re-award it to a member of their choice or see it go to the runner up.


Please omit me from whatever form of the comp.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Muttley Snickers on February 07, 2016, 08:10:53 pm
I think that this particular subject may require further clarification as to whom is able to participate and from where, I suspect that others are looking into this matter so that any or all discrepancy is removed.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on February 07, 2016, 09:52:47 pm
Nominations of those worthy of such a prize followed by a poll to build a shortlist, then another to find a most valued member.
Of course if they were to refuse the prize they would have the option to re-award it to a member of their choice or see it go to the runner up.

Would 100% become a popularity contest, complete with begging, PM spam, vote buying. I've seen all this crap and more pulled in a contest where the prize was only $1,000.
One contestant created over a 100 fake accounts to vote for himself, another paid his friends to vote for him. Company running it pulled the plug after 3 days, gave the prizes to who they thought deserved it 3 months later.

Do you seriously believe anyone is going to go an read every single post a user has made, then repeat 100 times ???
Then decide who helped the most.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: dgtl on February 07, 2016, 10:38:13 pm
I would propose keeping it in the forum, but weighing the probability to win by the activity on the forum. For example, number_of_entries=1+log10(post_count). This solution would give new viewers a reason to register, but the more active members have slight advantage. Depending on the preferences, you might include in the formula the duration of membership or perhaps the number of different days where the person has posted at least once. All of this metrics can quite easily be collected via SQL query.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on February 07, 2016, 11:14:59 pm
Some interesting points...

since keysight have exclusion countries where their official contest is NOT applicable.

which is really the entire world (excluding Austria, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec), Chile, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, India, Ireland, Japan, Korea, New Zealand, Poland, South Africa, Switzerland, Taiwan, United Kingdom, United States (excluding Florida, New York, and Rhode Island), and Venezuela.)

will EEVblog run the contest including the entire world?

I think that this particular subject may require further clarification as to whom is able to participate and from where, I suspect that others are looking into this matter so that any or all discrepancy is removed.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: SeanB on February 08, 2016, 04:20:29 am
I did a give away, and limited it to members over 3 months registered, and who had at least 6 posts prior to the competition start date. Worked well enough to keep the spam post level down, but did generate extra forum views.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Dave on February 08, 2016, 06:00:46 am
Heh heh... You're asking active forum members (which usually means they have a considerable number of posts) to decide who gets to win an expensive scope? Can you take a guess which poll option is going to get the largest number of votes? ;D

I voted for the contest of skill. Give a vague description of a problem and then leave the creative freedom to the contestants. The best solutions get picked by you and David the helper elf.
The only problem with this is that the deadline is much too close for anything worth while to come out of it. If people design PCBs and send them to the Chinese for fabrication, that means like 3 weeks of waiting for the PCBs alone. Would Keysight be happy if you shifted the contest draw for a month or two? ::)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on February 08, 2016, 07:16:57 am
Nominations of those worthy of such a prize followed by a poll to build a shortlist, then another to find a most valued member.
Of course if they were to refuse the prize they would have the option to re-award it to a member of their choice or see it go to the runner up.

Would 100% become a popularity contest, complete with begging, PM spam, vote buying. I've seen all this crap and more pulled in a contest where the prize was only $1,000.
One contestant created over a 100 fake accounts to vote for himself, another paid his friends to vote for him. Company running it pulled the plug after 3 days, gave the prizes to who they thought deserved it 3 months later.

Do you seriously believe anyone is going to go an read every single post a user has made, then repeat 100 times ???
Then decide who helped the most.
Of course not but general forum browsing most observant members will notice the detailed and quality replies given buy a few with outstanding knowledge and how any possible newbie or existing member could rig results to surpass the contribution and following that those long serving existing members have is beyond me.  :-//
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: DimitriP on February 08, 2016, 07:45:13 am
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long serving existing members

I get the impression you are feeling the wrong side of the elephant...go all the way around, don't just stand on the same spot. That thin fuzzy thing is the tail.


Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: gnavigator1007 on February 08, 2016, 09:35:24 am
I haven't been active on the forum very long but I voted for viewer equality even though I agree with many of you that a skill based contest would be much more interesting.  The prize scopes are far beyond anything I'll ever need (wouldn't turn one down of course ;D)  I figure the contest scopes are given to Dave as a sort of advertising for the company and that the more people included in the giveaway will then be incentive to target that audience again in the future with more fancy giveaways.  I understand that a rush of new forum members can end up being both a blessing and a curse.  I would suspect that leaving it open to everyone would prevent the youtube hordes from overwhelming the forum
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: RogerRowland on February 08, 2016, 08:45:48 pm
My opinion FWIW:

1. Don't just randomly select anyone - they may not want/need it - people should opt-in to the giveaway.
2. Opportunists should be discouraged - so use forum membership length and/or minimum posts to determine who can opt-in.
3. Opting in should require some declaration/honour code/whatever - to try to avoid a quick eBay resale.
4. Don't base it on skill. Receiving a high end scope might just kickstart a career in a novice.
5. No contest, no voting, therefore less chance for pointless arguments or attempts to game the system.

Also, I suggest not to give it to a maker group or charity or whatever. Give it to an individual. The people who subscribe to your YouTube channel and register on your forum are individuals - they keep your view counts up and engage on the forum and keep the whole thing rolling. If people see there's a small chance of a big reward, more people will sign up and more people will engage.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: NANDBlog on February 08, 2016, 09:48:28 pm
since keysight have exclusion countries where their official contest is NOT applicable.

which is really the entire world (excluding Austria, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec), Chile, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, India, Ireland, Japan, Korea, New Zealand, Poland, South Africa, Switzerland, Taiwan, United Kingdom, United States (excluding Florida, New York, and Rhode Island), and Venezuela.)

will EEVblog run the contest including the entire world?
Maybe we should actually exclude those countries. If you live there, just do it on Keysight, you have 15+ times the chance.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on February 09, 2016, 09:19:02 am
Maybe we should actually exclude those countries. If you live there, just do it on Keysight, you have 15+ times the chance.

But then you don't have a chance of winning the EEVBlog Special Edition scope!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on February 09, 2016, 12:43:54 pm
Don't think Dave is getting a supply deal on these scopes for any custom artwork.

But I could do a couple of waterslide decals for him......
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: PointyOintment on February 09, 2016, 10:51:58 pm
I voted for "something else". I support a random draw or contest of some kind where the entrants are (or represent) hackerspaces/makerspaces. I believe this will result in the scope getting more use, and Keysight and EEVblog getting more exposure among the space's members as a bonus. Theft (and damage) shouldn't have to be an issue; the group will know it's valuable and take appropriate measures to keep it secure.

Now, everyone knows hackerspaces already have oscilloscopes. But they're often old ones, which work but don't do everything the members want. And some spaces are expanding and increasing in quality, but don't yet have oscilloscopes and other equipment to match. (Full disclosure: I am a member of Protospace in Calgary, which fits those criteria.)

If the draw is to be among forum members, I second wraper's suggestion of ~10 post threshold, without those posts all being within a few days after the contest was announced. (I may be a bit biased on this too, because my post count is currently below the 100 that others have suggested. But I think the suggestions of 100 were not well thought out in other ways, which wraper's solves.)

I also think the idea of entrants having to pass a quiz on content from older videos is a good one. However, while I've been subscribed for ages, I haven't watched even half of the videos because a lot of them just don't interest me, so I might fail that.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on February 09, 2016, 10:54:52 pm
..... I haven't watched even half of the videos because a lot of them just don't interest me, so I might fail that.

Same here.  I'd have at least 600 on my 'unviewed' list.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: 84GKSIG on February 10, 2016, 07:15:08 pm
not sure if this has been mentioned, Jaycar in SA ( probably in other states as well i duno ) have run a contest to win a 3d printer, all they wanted was a picture of your work area/room type arrangement where you do your thing with a brief description of the area and i can only assume they would gauge who it would benefit the most from those pictures ? sorry if this has been mentioned before

Edit  so have a register for those who want to participate to be " subscribed " so every one who wants to participate would have to let you know they're taking part in the give away then every one can email their submission to you- shouldn't be too hard every one has a phone with a camera these days yeah ? you can then have your piece of software youve used before to select  name at random then check the entrant for worthiness to save you from having to look at 1000s of pictures and read 1000s of descriptions.
sorry forgot to explain how id be doing it
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: PointyOintment on February 11, 2016, 03:59:07 pm
shouldn't be too hard every one has a phone with a camera these days yeah ? you can then have your piece of software youve used before to select  name at random then check the entrant for worthiness to save you from having to look at 1000s of pictures and read 1000s of descriptions.
I guess this is to prove that the randomly chosen entrant is a real electronics person? If so, they should include a piece of paper in the photo(s) with their username on it, just like is done for reddit AMA proof images.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: mtdoc on February 11, 2016, 04:11:24 pm
shouldn't be too hard every one has a phone with a camera these days yeah ? you can then have your piece of software youve used before to select  name at random then check the entrant for worthiness to save you from having to look at 1000s of pictures and read 1000s of descriptions.
I guess this is to prove that the randomly chosen entrant is a real electronics person? If so, they should include a piece of paper in the photo(s) with their username on it, just like is done for reddit AMA proof images.

Or, just do it as he has for previous contests:  Have a thread that people post to as an entry. If a photo is needed they can post it there - though personally I don't see the point of that - it's easy to mock up a photo.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on February 11, 2016, 04:17:18 pm
Or, just do it as he has for previous contests:  Have a thread that people post to as an entry. If a photo is needed they can post it there - though personally I don't see the point of that - it's easy to mock up a photo.

I've just checked an old giveaway thread - and that's the idea I found there.  An additional requirement was to have posted a few meaningful posts on other topics.  Once closed, Dave runs his wobbulator program to find a candidate, then checks their posts.  If their posts qualify, they are the winner.  If not, run the wobbulator once more.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rdl on February 11, 2016, 04:48:03 pm
Active members only, but no one who registered after January 2016, chosen randomly from posts in a thread specifically for entering the draw.

Maybe for fun, a photo of the member's lab bench...with their forum name spelled out in dip ICs or other parts.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: kaz911 on February 11, 2016, 07:43:01 pm
How about a slight modification - as Dave also wants to attract new forum members

You get 10-20-30 (whatever) "lottery" tickets if you are an active user (how ever that gets defined)
You get 1 ticket if you are a new or inactive user profile

Then odd's are in active users favor - but new users does have a chance.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: BravoV on February 11, 2016, 08:07:14 pm
Voted "Others"  ...

Nominate and vote for "OTHER" forum members ... I have few in my list, imo they are exceptional members which shared and contributed a lot of their time, money (some I believed) , effort and resources just to help/contribute to this forum.

Of course voters also need to be qualified like minimum post count "and" join date to prevent the huge spike of new members and junk posts flood like in the past.

Although I really love to have this scope too, as an enthusiast, honestly they are just way too overkill for my need. Much better that they fall to the right person.

Just love to see these members earn from their contributions by having "bigger chance" to win this giveaway.

Should this method is selected, members can start to discuss and talk the other details of the mechanism and rule, like nomination stage, voting stage and etc.

My 2 cents ...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on February 11, 2016, 08:16:37 pm
Voted "Others"  ...

Nominate and vote for "OTHER" forum members ... I have few in my list, imo they are exceptional members which shared and contributed a lot of their time, money (some I believed) , effort and resources just to help/contribute to this forum.

Of course voters also need to be qualified like minimum post count "and" join date to prevent the huge spike of new members and junk posts flood like in the past.

Although I really love to have this scope too, as an enthusiast, honestly they are just way too overkill for my need. Much better that they fall to the right person.

Just love to see these members earn from their contributions by having "bigger chance" to win this giveaway.

Should this method is selected, members can start to discuss and talk the other details of the mechanism and rule, like nomination stage, voting stage and etc.

My 2 cents ...
+1
We are on exactly the same page.  ;)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: mswhin63 on February 11, 2016, 11:16:30 pm
True.
As for Youtube commenters, as mentioned, no real way to tell if that person is an active commenter, so they video will just get 10,000 "I'm In" comments and odds are that is the first time they have ever contributed.

I would have thought with YouTube the key; is active watcher's not so much commenter's, This was your primary source of income until YouTube made it harder and it is the watchers that are the real supporters. Unfortunately once a post become flooded with comments either the assistance you offer has already been mentioned or the post become out of control and all that is left is in-fighting. YouTube I leave comments though only if there is a few comments made, otherwise the comments become way too long winded and usually loaded with trolls. The same can be said for this forum too.

There are what seems to be full-time commenter on this forum so usually most suggestions have been mentioned and is not really necessary to offer the same advise again.

Mal
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Fred27 on February 15, 2016, 04:17:25 am
As far as it seeming fair to entrants, I'd suggest the following. As it's quite a high value prize, it would be annoying if it went to someone who didn't have any use for it or was just going to sell it. How about an "I'm in" thread for entry where each participant says what they'd use it for and that they won't sell it.

Of course it shouldn't be about what's best for us, but what's best for EEVBlog. What makes it easiest and gets the most back for Dave? He's the one generously giving it away. What would encourage the most involvement in the site and YouTube channel?

How about a rule that you've had to make one genuine helpful contribution to a thread or YouTube comment between now and the giveaway? Anything. Just something positive - advice, encouragement, whatever. If everyone made a bit of effort to do that even for the "wrong" reason it should have a positive effect. You never know - some of the lurkers / trolls might even find they like it. You'd only have to check the winner's posts, but it should mean everyone's on their best behavoiur.

I just realized - it'll be like a load of kids just before Christmas, making sure they're on the good list.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: jhalar on February 15, 2016, 02:50:11 pm
My opinion FWIW:
1. Don't just randomly select anyone - they may not want/need it - people should opt-in to the giveaway.

This is a good option for people like me who already own a MSOX-3104A oscilloscope. Give it to someone who doesn't own a high end scope.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: lpc32 on February 15, 2016, 05:14:45 pm
since keysight have exclusion countries where their official contest is NOT applicable.

which is really the entire world (excluding Austria, Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec), Chile, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, India, Ireland, Japan, Korea, New Zealand, Poland, South Africa, Switzerland, Taiwan, United Kingdom, United States (excluding Florida, New York, and Rhode Island), and Venezuela.)
That covers more than 2.1 billion people. :)

3. Opting in should require some declaration/honour code/whatever - to try to avoid a quick eBay resale.
Won't it actually be somewhat difficult to sell? At anything approaching retail price, that is.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on February 15, 2016, 06:57:19 pm
At anything approaching retail ... absolutely.  But you might just have someone wanting to sell it in raptures if they get $4,000 - $5,000 for it.

That would make me cry.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Arlen Moulton2 on February 15, 2016, 07:09:50 pm
I need did scope soooooo bad!!!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tomy983 on February 16, 2016, 04:46:20 am
I really don't see anything wrong with it ending up for sale on eBay or here in the forum. If I will be allowed to enter and won, I would sell it, as I know that even if I wish so, I will never bee good enough to have an use for such piece of equipment. But the money I would get from the sale would all go into lots of other electronic related equipment, including a nice 1 or 2k scope, and would probably finance many projects to come...
Would this be so bad??
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: selkathguy on February 16, 2016, 07:32:56 am
I would sell it, as I know that even if I wish so, I will never bee good enough to have an use for such piece of equipment.
[...]
Would this be so bad??
It is counter to the sentiment of the giveaway.  Wait for other contests and giveaways that offer equipment you can use.  There are plenty.  If Dave was looking to give away $15k he would give away $15k.  This is a need vs greed issue.  I could enter every contest with the intention to sell whatever I got from it if I won, but that pollutes the bucket of names and gives people who actually need this specific tool to do a job but cannot afford it a lower chance of winning, and it does a disservice to the community.  This is precisely why I think having to justify or describe the intended usage is necessary for giveaways of this magnitude.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Leiothrix on February 16, 2016, 09:45:30 am
If Dave was looking to give away $15k he would give away $15k. 

Except this is Keysight providing the prize, and Dave is picking a winner and distributing it.  It's not like he bought the scope himself.

This is a need vs greed issue.  I could enter every contest with the intention to sell whatever I got from it if I won, but that pollutes the bucket of names and gives people who actually need this specific tool to do a job but cannot afford it a lower chance of winning, and it does a disservice to the community.  This is precisely why I think having to justify or describe the intended usage is necessary for giveaways of this magnitude.

Would an answer of "I need a scope to learn/work on but can't afford it.  If I win this I'll sell it for 10k, buy a Rigol DS1054Z, and have enough cash left over to pay rent and buy food for the next few months" be acceptable?
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: selkathguy on February 16, 2016, 10:20:46 am
Except this is Keysight providing the prize, and Dave is picking a winner and distributing it.  It's not like he bought the scope himself.
I am aware and that's a valid point, yet it is still Dave's influence that makes this giveaway possible, in addition I'm not too sure Keysight would be enthusiastic about their products being given away just to be resold.
Would an answer of "I need a scope to learn/work on but can't afford it.  If I win this I'll sell it for 10k, buy a Rigol DS1054Z, and have enough cash left over to pay rent and buy food for the next few months" be acceptable?
Not really.  If you have issues keeping the lights on and putting food on the table then you have much bigger problems in life and most likely cannot afford to put a device like this to regular use.  If you could (afford the cost of parts and boards and other supplies) then you're not really having trouble buying food, and if you ARE having trouble buying food yet can still buy the supplies to put a device like this to use, then you probably aren't a responsible enough individual to warrant being given such a sensitive piece of test equipment.  ("You" being a purely hypothetical general identifier)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Dave on February 16, 2016, 12:30:49 pm
It is counter to the sentiment of the giveaway.  Wait for other contests and giveaways that offer equipment you can use.  There are plenty.  If Dave was looking to give away $15k he would give away $15k.  This is a need vs greed issue.  I could enter every contest with the intention to sell whatever I got from it if I won, but that pollutes the bucket of names and gives people who actually need this specific tool to do a job but cannot afford it a lower chance of winning, and it does a disservice to the community.  This is precisely why I think having to justify or describe the intended usage is necessary for giveaways of this magnitude.
Please... There are 100, maybe 200 people on this entire forum that are doing things complex enough to need a 1GHz mixed signal scope to get the job done, and they all probably have access to these tools one way or the other.
You'd be hard pressed to find a single person that really needed a tool like this and couldn't get access to one.

I'm not too sure Keysight would be enthusiastic about their products being given away just to be resold.
They wouldn't give two shits, because their only goal is to get the publicity from the giveaway. What happens to the scope after that is none of their concern. Not only that, I bet if the winner tried to resell the unit afterwards, there would be a shitstorm on the internet, pouring even more water on Keysight's mill.
They would appreciate it.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: selkathguy on February 16, 2016, 01:30:39 pm
Please... There are 100, maybe 200 people on this entire forum that are doing things complex enough to need a 1GHz mixed signal scope to get the job done, and they all probably have access to these tools one way or the other.
You'd be hard pressed to find a single person that really needed a tool like this and couldn't get access to one.
I find that perspective very presumptuous. There will always be a way to work using the wrong tools for the job.  I used a 1052E for years then got a 1074Z and I can state from personal experience having good tools matters quite a lot. I'm working on a project right now which is very much a mixed signal application and it would be way more than just convenient to be able to troubleshoot and debug the device under test if I could time correlate timings between 900Mhz communication channel and various IF and logic from application code.  Most of which is outside of the range of my 1074Z.  I'm pushing devices close to their maximums out of necessity due to price, spatial, and thermal limitations amongst others. I could not afford a scope like this in 10 years at my current rate, but over the years I've collected enough low-end Rigol equipment to get a decent bench going.  Nothing on my bench costs more than $500.  I don't have any special access to any test equipment whatsoever.  I can't be alone on this.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on February 16, 2016, 04:16:07 pm
Except this is Keysight providing the prize, and Dave is picking a winner and distributing it.  It's not like he bought the scope himself.
I am aware and that's a valid point, yet it is still Dave's influence that makes this giveaway possible, in addition I'm not too sure Keysight would be enthusiastic about their products being given away just to be resold.

Keysight don't care, they are just after the publicity. That's the whole idea of their "Scope month", giving away a scope a day. It's 100% pure publicity. Nothing wrong with that, it's what big companies 
They originally approached me to publicise their giveaway month for free. I said no way to that unless they offer something for my viewers, so they pony'd up two additional scopes.
They are legally mine to do with what I will, so I guess I could sell them and buy a dozen scope and give those away, but that just doesn't feel right, they might as well have given me the cash to do a promo video for them.

It's strange that people are arguing over a prize being too good. But I can see the point.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: selkathguy on February 16, 2016, 04:34:36 pm
My comment about keysight was genuine in that I said I wasn't sure.

My point was my original response to the person who asked what was wrong with straight up selling it.  It would just be nice if people didn't just hop onto every giveaway to treat them like cash lotteries.  Because giveaways like this are some peoples' only chance to get certain items (like a nice clamp meter or something).  I don't put my name in for those because I don't need them.  Of course I could use the cash but that's not what a community is supposed to be about.  I dunno maybe I'm just too much of an idealist. :P
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: vk6zgo on February 16, 2016, 05:46:05 pm
Except this is Keysight providing the prize, and Dave is picking a winner and distributing it.  It's not like he bought the scope himself.
I am aware and that's a valid point, yet it is still Dave's influence that makes this giveaway possible, in addition I'm not too sure Keysight would be enthusiastic about their products being given away just to be resold.
Would an answer of "I need a scope to learn/work on but can't afford it.  If I win this I'll sell it for 10k, buy a Rigol DS1054Z, and have enough cash left over to pay rent and buy food for the next few months" be acceptable?
Not really.  If you have issues keeping the lights on and putting food on the table then you have much bigger problems in life and most likely cannot afford to put a device like this to regular use.  If you could (afford the cost of parts and boards and other supplies) then you're not really having trouble buying food, and if you ARE having trouble buying food yet can still buy the supplies to put a device like this to use, then you probably aren't a responsible enough individual to warrant being given such a sensitive piece of test equipment.  ("You" being a purely hypothetical general identifier)

Many of us are about two paydays away from "living in a cardboard box on the side of the road".

Sometimes "the supplies to put a device like this to use" were obtained during a period of relative affluence,when employment appeared to be secure,the car didn't need fixing,& nobody in the family was sick.
Things can change overnight!

Even when permanently employed,back in the days when such jobs existed,I encountered just such a situation.
Going from shift work to ordinary Mon-Fri work,coinciding with the car needing repair,then a bout of sickness, had me selling off a (then) current model 2m Ham Radio,& a Kodak Carousel slide projector.

If I had  possessed anything more valuable which wasn't essential to my job,that would have gone,too.

All my current "Lab" is made up of old stuff, or very cheap new stuff,as is my "Ham Shack".

If I won it & kept it,the instrument would get next to no use.
If I won it,& sold it,I would have enough money for repairs to my house,which,as a Retired person, I would have difficulties affording otherwise.


Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tekbasse on February 16, 2016, 06:01:56 pm
..You'd be hard pressed to find a single person that really needed a tool like this and couldn't get access to one.
i'm one and can prove it. Lend the scope to me for a few weeks. ;-)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tekbasse on February 16, 2016, 06:33:27 pm
With all do respect, this forum is a pretty closed group when it comes to exposure --granted it's a diverse group of electronics enthusiasts.

By having forum members use Twitter hashtags, the forum faces outward, exposing Keysight to a larger audience that includes members' greater social networks --some of whom make decisions about related equipment purchases. In fact, the forums' extended social network likely have collective deeper pockets and just needs a little awakening or remembering about Keysight..

DaveJ mentioned in other thread about not liking hashtags.. and wanting some benefit in exchange for processing the giveaway.

eevblog has 2 twitter accounts. This is a chance to leverage them to increase exposure for eevblog as well as Keysight. In the other thread I suggested 2 types of hashtags. Let's make it 3.

1. #keysight4u  with a reference to a url or person/organization other than self to give it to.

2. #keysight4life with a statement about why or what is so great about anything keysight you have used or desire to..

3. End with @eevblog or #TY-eevblog and entry value doubles.

Enter as often as you like, just no duplicate or bot-style tweets.
 #keysight4u is valued as 2 entries, because someone can bring attention to the one someone wants to give it to via @their-twitter-address 

And be careful to not call or describe the giveaway in a way to be confused with a raffle or sweepstakes, because at least in the US there are laws that would inhibit someone accepting it. (Thanks to gambling mafia).
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: AndyC_772 on February 16, 2016, 07:06:03 pm
My point was my original response to the person who asked what was wrong with straight up selling it.  It would just be nice if people didn't just hop onto every giveaway to treat them like cash lotteries.

An observation...

A 3000T scope is a nice piece of kit, but unless you're actually using it for an application which generates and requires signals that fast, a 1GHz scope is exactly the same in use as its much cheaper lower bandwidth counterparts.

Here in the UK, the MSOX3104T is currently on promotion at £9383, and the MSOX3014T (100 MHz) is £2694.

So... although it's very slightly sad, most of the value in the prize scope is likely to be wasted, unless the winner happens to be into high speed work. On the other hand, if it gets sold, not only does that generate cash for the winner that could go on a cheaper scope and a bench full of other tools, but it also means the prize scope itself ends up being used by someone who actually needs the bandwidth.

On that basis, I wouldn't be bothered in the slightest, if the winner chooses to sell.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tomy983 on February 16, 2016, 10:03:04 pm
I think that if who is giving the price or organising this is bothered how the prize will be used, they would filter the participants. No need to be complicated here, just state that winner will be asked for proof, check him and if he does not meet the requirements, repeat. Easy.

If they are not bothered whit what happens to it after it is given away, I don't see why anyone else should.

If the community feels like it would be unfair, it should not be given away at all, instead it should be kept within the community and leased for free (expenses apart of course) to whoever actually needs it (I guess they are not so many..) This would be the only way to ensure a fair treatment to the most and would feel like an actual community. Nobody needs to own it, and this is for sure. And this is what I would love to see..
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on February 16, 2016, 10:17:51 pm
By having forum members use Twitter hashtags, the forum faces outward, exposing Keysight to a larger audience that includes members' greater social networks --some of whom make decisions about related equipment purchases. In fact, the forums' extended social network likely have collective deeper pockets and just needs a little awakening or remembering about Keysight..
DaveJ mentioned in other thread about not liking hashtags.. and wanting some benefit in exchange for processing the giveaway.
eevblog has 2 twitter accounts. This is a chance to leverage them to increase exposure for eevblog as well as Keysight. In the other thread I suggested 2 types of hashtags.

You grossly overestimate the importance and reach of a twitter for stuff like this.
Simply announcing a giveaway video will likely get say 50,000 views, that will swamp any "publicity" via twitter.
Forget it, it's not going to happen on twitter. It gains me nothing, my twitter feed will be polluted, and people will game the system.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Philfreeze on February 17, 2016, 12:46:53 am
1st scope to be offered to non-profit groups like hacker spaces so that a number of people would benefit from it, rather than it going straight on ebay and the pocketing the cash. Get the groups to send in a post card or a video with an idea for an EEV blog video.

I like the idea.
A slightly different approach. The groups should make short videos showing their space and what they do. Then you can give it away (random) to one of the groups.
This would help them (they get publicity), it would help you (interesting video material you can show) and it would help the viewers (they might find something interesting in their vicinity.
What do you guys think about that?

The only problem I see with this idea is that we don't really know how many groups would make a video.


Edit:
How about you announce the winner in a new thread and give them a couple of days to get in touch? That'll keep the n00bs coming back for a while and some might get hooked.

This is generally a good idea. Just announce on Youtube the giveaway and say you will announce the winner in the forum. This way a lot of people will at least visit the forum.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: MT on February 17, 2016, 03:48:52 am
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There are 100, maybe 200 people on this entire forum that are doing things complex enough to need a 1GHz mixed signal scope to get the job done, and they all probably have access to these tools one way or the other. You'd be hard pressed to find a single person that really needed a tool like this and couldn't get access to one.
Tend to concur , person who needs a 1G scope are either already established in that market segment of engineering and the company he/she working for already bought 5-10 units, or the person who have a onsie-twosie-band company also bought "one" such scope to get job done.
But if you need one you have easy access, nope, it means you either have to live in big city or have access to a uni 100km away or some sort of science park with a few hi-tech companies,. (talking about a new 1Ghz keysight not a 500 dollar Lecroy/HP form Chinese Ebay one time find)
That said does not mean i would not find a 1G scope extremely useful but equally useful would a 300MHz scope be and that scope i really NEED NOW!
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Quote from: selkathguy on Yesterday at 10:20:46 AM
I'm not too sure Keysight would be enthusiastic about their products being given away just to be resold.
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They wouldn't give two shits, because their only goal is to get the publicity from the giveaway. What happens to the scope after that is none of their concern. Not only that, I bet if the winner tried to resell the unit afterwards, there would be a shitstorm on the internet, pouring even more water on Keysight's mill. They would appreciate it.
I tend to concur, big elephants do not care much what hapends to their giveaways later, they care about their noise around the brand.
If people decides sell their win to buy a cheaper scope and perhaps use the rest of the money to fund other lab equipment, i dont see any thing wrong in that!
My 5cent personal view of this scope giveaway it's kind of lame/dumb by Keysight not Dave, Keysight if they had been intelligent about branding would have given away 10 200Mhz scopes that Dave could have given away instead of 3 1Ghz scopes, it would even be cheaper for them probably cause less amount of problem for Dave and would most likely generated a lot more noise around the brand.........!
Sadly this keysight marketing campaign seams to be base'd on the same idea as when some retired 80 year old wins 500million on lottery, or when Ferrari gives away a Ferarri Enzo to an outback camel farmer who have only gravel roads and therefore "unquestionably" needs a tractor and a barrel of diesel to get the job done.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: AndyC_772 on February 17, 2016, 04:50:16 am
I imagine the manufacturing cost price of the 1G version isn't too different to the most basic version, given that the only difference between models with the 3000A series was a single different PCB - and even that's the same apart from the front-end.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tekbasse on February 17, 2016, 05:28:46 am
You grossly overestimate the importance and reach of a twitter for stuff like this.
Simply announcing a giveaway video will likely get say 50,000 views, that will swamp any "publicity" via twitter.
Forget it, it's not going to happen on twitter. It gains me nothing, my twitter feed will be polluted, and people will game the system.

LOL. Litter on twitter.
Your twitter feed only gets polluted if you subscribe to everyone that participates.  Why pollute the forum with similar gaming?

Better yet, since Aussies can't participate in Keysight US giveaways, as a leading Aussie,
you are obliged to give it to some place or person in your country --you know it better than most anyone and where it just might have the greatest impact for your people. That is keeping with Keysight's longterm interest. :-)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: os40la on February 17, 2016, 06:11:05 am
What do they mean by this in the 4. How to Enter. section of the Official Sweepstakes Rules?  :-//

 "By  entering,  the  entrant  hereby  assigns  to Keysight all  IP  rights, including  copyrights."  :scared:
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: AndyC_772 on February 17, 2016, 06:25:02 am
Copy-and-pasted boilerplate. It would mean something in a contest where entrants are submitting something creative.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ataradov on February 17, 2016, 06:29:05 am
Copy-and-pasted boilerplate. It would mean something in a contest where entrants are submitting something creative.
But that is a contest, where entrants submit something creative. This is taken from an agreement for the month of Keysight or whatever.

This is not related to Dave's giveaway.

EDIT: See this - https://www.eevblog.com/forum/contests/keysight-scope-giveaway/new/?topicseen#new (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/contests/keysight-scope-giveaway/new/?topicseen#new)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: TheAmmoniacal on February 17, 2016, 07:46:31 am
If I won a scope I would have it awarded to my student workshop/(union).
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: hamster_nz on February 17, 2016, 02:41:08 pm
If this was a competition to win a $15,000 wall oven, would people be worrying about "are they worthy of the oven?", "Do they cook only *very* special foods", "No beginner can do that oven justice!", "Will winning this improve their cooking?", "If you already have a good oven, you deserve this more than somebody with only a microwave", "Have people tell us all what they would cook, so we can judge the most deserving!", "We should have a toaster oven for beginner cooks".

(Actually, the more I think about it, the more I could see such comments being made by those who feel passionately about it)

Cut the pretension, and make it random among active members, with little incentive for anybody new to spam the forum.

Not everybody has the skills to be an award winning chef, but nearly anybody will take pleasure in having a really nice oven - even if they only use it to cook frozen pizzas. Likewise with a scope.

Plenty of people have won a high-end car and not been able to insure and service it, so sold it almost straight away - at least with this scope it should have minimal running costs.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: 84GKSIG on February 18, 2016, 09:58:27 am
keep it fun and simple, why over complicate something that isnt complicated ????
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: luney on February 18, 2016, 03:22:07 pm
I kind of said something very similar in the other thread Dave started about this. If there is a high post count to qualify then I'm out. I just found this awesome forum. I wish I had been here from the beginning like some members appear to have been. I mean by the comments some make. I hope there is something like this again so maybe then I will have proven that I'm here to stay and not just here for a contest. I didn't even know there was one until earlier today when I finally decided to venture out of the second thread I started here. My first was my introduction and my second was asking for help with actually learning something new. Anyway, good luck to the ones that are included. I'm gonna go crawl back into the thread where I asked for help. The folks responding there don't seem to think any less of me because I'm new or don't seem to know crap about this stuff, YET! I learn pretty quick  >:D

I love this place Dave and I thank you for starting and continuing to run it. The things I have learned, in just a couple of days so far mind you, are priceless to me. Far more valuable to me than a new scope. Now if you throw in a high quality 10x probe to replace the one that came with my Velleman HPS50 (funny it is the exact probe you tore apart in your video about why 1x probes are worthless), I would trade my firstborn, heh  :-DD
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on February 19, 2016, 02:45:41 pm
For what it's worth...

I'm a 'newbie' to the forum (I wasn't aware of this giveaway/contest until now), this being just my third post.

I'm trying to get myself set up with a workbench and test equipment (old stuff from eBay plus a new EEVblog meter :-+) to get more involved in my long term interest in electronics (previously just building kits, making some simple repairs) after retiring early to look after my disabled wife.

As such, I believe I would fall well and truly into the 'unworthy' category having limited experience with actually designing and constructing projects.  :--

In addition, I would only be using these skills for my own personal development, as a hobby, with no interest in looking for a career from it at my stage of life. :palm:

I have no issues with not qualifying or having the skills to enter a 'contest' if that's the way Dave goes with it - fair enough.  :-+

However, if it is a 'giveaway', then I think I should have an equal chance at winning the scope as anyone else (even though it may turn out I never develop enough skills to fully utilize the advanced features of the scope).  I would feel very privileged and would be proud to own it.  :)

Not that I envisage any great chance of my being the 'winner' :-BROKE
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on February 20, 2016, 12:08:32 am
I kinda wish Keysight had given Dave a second cheaper item(s), so people who entered could choose which one they wanted/needed more.
For an example:
A. High end scope
B. Entry level scope, Lab PSU, function generator.
People entering choose A or B, perhaps B has more chances to win something.

Would be less of an issue as the beginners could get an entire lab setup, and others would go for the one thing they need but could never justify spending $15K on.
Just a thought for possible future contests.

I just wish Keysight hadn't restricted their contest so much, as I'm not a supporter yet, I get one chance in ... what 10,000 or something.
Given how often this sort of thing comes up, well exceeding my lifetime is easy enough, darn I hate knowing the laws of probability.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on February 20, 2016, 01:41:55 am
I just had an idea.
Given that Keysight are giving away 30 of these things to a selected list of countries (not including Australia unfortunately), which I have no doubt everyone will enter, what si the point me doing the same?
How about I just restrict my units to countries Keysight aren't allowing to enter? (minus dodgy shipping countries like say South Africa who everyone refuses to ship to because stuff just doesn't make it). I could say Australia only which would make it incredibly easy, but no doubt that would piss off too many people?

EDIT: Keysight's list is:
Austria
Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec)
Chile,
Denmark,
Finland,
France,
Germany,
Ireland,
Japan,
Korea,
New Zealand,
Poland,
South Africa,
Switzerland,
Taiwan,
United Kingdom,
United States (excluding Florida, New York, and Rhode Island),
Venezuela

That already covered a massive chunk of my audience.
My top 10 countries are:
(http://i.imgur.com/Bxb9mRg.png)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: RogerRowland on February 20, 2016, 01:49:01 am
I just had an idea.
Given that Keysight are giving away 30 of these things to a selected list of countries (not including Australia unfortunately), which I have no doubt everyone will enter, what si the point me doing the same?
How about I just restrict my units to countries Keysight aren't allowing to enter? (minus dodgy shipping countries like say South Africa who everyone refuses to ship to because stuff just doesn't make it). I could say Australia only which would make it incredibly easy, but no doubt that would piss off too many people?

I was on the point of suggesting the same thing, but thought it might attract derision. I've already registered for the UK Keysight giveaway, and if Australia isn't eligible, just give to Aussie-only entrants, avoid tax issues and problem gone!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rch on February 20, 2016, 02:09:48 am
I just had an idea.
Given that Keysight are giving away 30 of these things to a selected list of countries (not including Australia unfortunately), which I have no doubt everyone will enter, what si the point me doing the same?
How about I just restrict my units to countries Keysight aren't allowing to enter? (minus dodgy shipping countries like say South Africa who everyone refuses to ship to because stuff just doesn't make it). I could say Australia only which would make it incredibly easy, but no doubt that would piss off too many people?

I was on the point of suggesting the same thing, but thought it might attract derision. I've already registered for the UK Keysight giveaway, and if Australia isn't eligible, just give to Aussie-only entrants, avoid tax issues and problem gone!

A possible problem with including the other countries Keysight has excluded is that Dave may run into the same legal problems that Keysight has.   It is a specially bad idea to make oneself subject to extradition to places like America.   It might be worth checking exactly what the rules are in Australia too, Keysight clearly wasn't happy for a reason.

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: mtdoc on February 20, 2016, 03:58:11 am
I just had an idea.
Given that Keysight are giving away 30 of these things to a selected list of countries (not including Australia unfortunately), which I have no doubt everyone will enter, what si the point me doing the same?
How about I just restrict my units to countries Keysight aren't allowing to enter? (minus dodgy shipping countries like say South Africa who everyone refuses to ship to because stuff just doesn't make it). I could say Australia only which would make it incredibly easy, but no doubt that would piss off too many people?


While I see the logic in doing that, some of us see this forum as our "electronics home" and excluding us feels like a bit of a downer. 

The odds of anyone here winning one in the broader Keysight contest seems vanishingly small, whereas participating in a contest here would feel like joining in the group fun.  I had not even considered entering Keysight's contest but would enter one here.  This, I suspect, is why Keysight is giving you some scopes to give away - to reach a broader audience.   

You should do what feels right to you of course, but excluding such a large percentage of your audience doesn't feel right from my admittedly biased viewpoint.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tekbasse on February 20, 2016, 05:43:36 am
yeah, just  Australia. If you don't want to pick where, make a list and allow everyone in the forum to vote on it.


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Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Rutger on February 20, 2016, 06:32:09 am
I would suggest you keep it and give a way some of your other scopes with equal value to countries that are not part of the list. You can than have a 1st, 2nd and 3rd price.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on February 20, 2016, 09:16:19 am
A possible problem with including the other countries Keysight has excluded is that Dave may run into the same legal problems that Keysight has.   It is a specially bad idea to make oneself subject to extradition to places like America.   It might be worth checking exactly what the rules are in Australia too, Keysight clearly wasn't happy for a reason.

Yes, this is a major concern for me.
And Australia only give-away would be 100% guaranteed no headaches.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on February 20, 2016, 09:17:34 am
The odds of anyone here winning one in the broader Keysight contest seems vanishingly small, whereas participating in a contest here would feel like joining in the group fun.  I had not even considered entering Keysight's contest but would enter one here.  This, I suspect, is why Keysight is giving you some scopes to give away - to reach a broader audience.   

No, Keysight are giving me the scopes because they want me to advertise their scope giveaway month.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: mtdoc on February 20, 2016, 09:32:22 am
The odds of anyone here winning one in the broader Keysight contest seems vanishingly small, whereas participating in a contest here would feel like joining in the group fun.  I had not even considered entering Keysight's contest but would enter one here.  This, I suspect, is why Keysight is giving you some scopes to give away - to reach a broader audience.   

No, Keysight are giving me the scopes because they want me to advertise their scope giveaway month.

Yeah - that's what I was trying to get at.  Your advertising here will reach a broader audience. I would never have known about it if not for seeing it here.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: RobertoLG on February 20, 2016, 09:43:52 am
yeah. dave with his aussie block stile got a big crowd
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Kjelt on February 20, 2016, 09:52:43 am
Although I would love to win such a beautifull piece of equipment and my country is not listed in the Keysight list  :( you yave had your share of troubles with international shipping, so I can fully understand if you make it an Australian give away.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Muttley Snickers on February 20, 2016, 10:18:48 am
I hope no-one thinks I am slightly motivated by self interest. Not slightly, no  no no. ;)

And talking about giveaways people just a reminder that Keysight are generously giving away a bonus handheld meter via redemption should you buy any two handhelds from their extensive range, valid only until the twenty ninth of this month, so don't muck about if you want a great deal on some quality equipment.

http://www.keysight.com/main/editorial.jspx?cc=US&lc=eng&ckey=2622527&nid=-33167.920237.00&id=2622527 (http://www.keysight.com/main/editorial.jspx?cc=US&lc=eng&ckey=2622527&nid=-33167.920237.00&id=2622527)



I deserve two chances for this dodgy lot surely.

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rch on February 20, 2016, 10:56:35 am
A possible problem with including the other countries Keysight has excluded is that Dave may run into the same legal problems that Keysight has.   It is a specially bad idea to make oneself subject to extradition to places like America.   It might be worth checking exactly what the rules are in Australia too, Keysight clearly wasn't happy for a reason.

Yes, this is a major concern for me.
And Australia only give-away would be 100% guaranteed no headaches.


But you may need a permit if you are covering all Australia and the prize is worth more than $3000:


http://samsales.com.au/articles/30-second-guide-to-australian-permit-requirements-for-promotions-4.html (http://samsales.com.au/articles/30-second-guide-to-australian-permit-requirements-for-promotions-4.html)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on February 20, 2016, 11:28:28 am
But you may need a permit if you are covering all Australia and the prize is worth more than $3000:
http://samsales.com.au/articles/30-second-guide-to-australian-permit-requirements-for-promotions-4.html (http://samsales.com.au/articles/30-second-guide-to-australian-permit-requirements-for-promotions-4.html)

It's not a promotion. I am not promoting my products or services, I'm simply giving away a couple of used scopes I don't need  ;D
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: TerminalJack505 on February 20, 2016, 12:44:18 pm
I just had an idea.
Given that Keysight are giving away 30 of these things to a selected list of countries (not including Australia unfortunately), which I have no doubt everyone will enter, what si the point me doing the same?
How about I just restrict my units to countries Keysight aren't allowing to enter? (minus dodgy shipping countries like say South Africa who everyone refuses to ship to because stuff just doesn't make it). I could say Australia only which would make it incredibly easy, but no doubt that would piss off too many people?

EDIT: Keysight's list is:
Austria
Canada (excluding the Province of Quebec)
Chile,
Denmark,
Finland,
France,
Germany,
Ireland,
Japan,
Korea,
New Zealand,
Poland,
South Africa,
Switzerland,
Taiwan,
United Kingdom,
United States (excluding Florida, New York, and Rhode Island),
Venezuela

That already covered a massive chunk of my audience.
My top 10 countries are:
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When you say "units", do you mean even the one that you reserved for your Patreon supporters?

If you restrict one of the units to the countries excluded by Keysight but leave the Patreon unit open to any country then that would be a good incentive for people to become a Patreon supporter.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on February 20, 2016, 01:01:57 pm
If you restrict one of the units to the countries excluded by Keysight but leave the Patreon unit open to any country then that would be a good incentive for people to become a Patreon supporter.

Not a bad point.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on February 20, 2016, 01:22:46 pm
A possible problem with including the other countries Keysight has excluded is that Dave may run into the same legal problems that Keysight has.   It is a specially bad idea to make oneself subject to extradition to places like America.   It might be worth checking exactly what the rules are in Australia too, Keysight clearly wasn't happy for a reason.

Yes, this is a major concern for me.
And Australia only give-away would be 100% guaranteed no headaches.

This is the one point that would make me concerned for Dave.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: TerminalJack505 on February 20, 2016, 01:51:14 pm
If you restrict one of the units to the countries excluded by Keysight but leave the Patreon unit open to any country then that would be a good incentive for people to become a Patreon supporter.

Not a bad point.

Well, I just hedged my bet by becoming a Patron.    :D

I might add that it was very quick and easy to do so.   ;)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ataradov on February 20, 2016, 01:53:23 pm
Well, I just hedged my bet by becoming a Patron.    :D
I think actual real-life lottery gives better chances of getting $15000 :)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: TerminalJack505 on February 20, 2016, 02:11:18 pm
Well, I just hedged my bet by becoming a Patron.    :D
I think actual real-life lottery gives better chances of getting $15000 :)

I've been known to play that too from time to time.

I count myself as one of those that wouldn't do much justice to a $15k scope so I don't think I would/will be too disappointed to not win one.  But still, how cool would it be?  (I might let the EEs at work borrow it--if they're nice. >:D)

So far as supporting Dave--heck, I spend just about as much money for one visit to Starbuck's. 
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: RogerRowland on February 20, 2016, 10:27:49 pm
I think actual real-life lottery gives better chances of getting $15000 :)

Yep, I won £3 on Friday's Euromillions. Ticket cost me £2 so I'm a quid up.

Celebration may be a bit muted though ..... have to split the net profit 50/50 with the missus.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: timgiles on February 21, 2016, 01:14:11 am

Well as someone who went to an electronics club at school (up to 16yo) and then went off to become a programmer before 'finding' electronics again 3 years ago, I hope I could at least be in the running and anyone else on here who is in a similar position too. I would hate to feel that I need to make posts that dont really contribute just to have a chance.

Dave - do you have stats on how many forum posts have been read by each user? Prehaps that with the 'posts made' would help those of us at the beginning of their EE journey to have a chance.

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: TheAmmoniacal on February 21, 2016, 02:10:40 am
I would sure want to win one of these scopes, just don't give me any shit for immediately reselling it.

Do you include the personal supporters under "Patreon" supporters? I made a donation for access to the Supporter's Lounge.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Georgitsu on February 21, 2016, 07:35:11 pm
I would argue that the EEVblog audience is much broader than just the high-commenting members of this forum. As a low-commenting lurker who really enjoys your videos, the amp-hour podcast, tweets, and the electronics community in general, I hope you can find a way to include people like me in the giveaway.  ;D

Reserving one of the scopes for the patreon and forum supporters is a good gesture to your inner circle, but making the second one available to a more broad audience would be cool.

Maybe using the forum as the sign-up mechanism for the giveaway would be a good way to handle submissions and weed out bots etc.

As for how to handle the giveaway, one idea is to assign entrants particular ticket numbers, and if you meet certain criteria you will be assigned more ticket numbers. For example, normal entrants get 1 ticket, high-commenters get 3 tickets, patreon supporters get 5, etc. Then a script could pick one random ticket.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rohare on February 22, 2016, 12:10:53 pm
I heard about this on the Amp Hour podcast and I understand Dave's conundrum. It's such a high value item and the fact it that almost nobody would be able to use it to it's full potential. It would actually be much more valuable to give away a dozen lesser scopes and it would even be cheaper.

My two cents: If I won it I would sell it and use the proceeds to deck out a full lab with lower end equipment exclusively from keysight. IMHO it wouldn't be entirely ethical to simply sell it and do something else with the money but I simply don't have a use for such a high-end piece of test gear.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Georgitsu on February 23, 2016, 02:46:31 am
As an RF guy, this scope would be incredibly useful to me. I often find the need to look at high frequency signals and high-speed transients. It would be nice to see this sort of scope go to someone like me  :-/O
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: AF6LJ on February 23, 2016, 04:17:16 am
As an RF guy, this scope would be incredibly useful to me. I often find the need to look at high frequency signals and high-speed transients. It would be nice to see this sort of scope go to someone like me  :-/O
I would second that.
I could sure use it to replace my aging TEK-466 with...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: SeanB on February 23, 2016, 04:29:08 am
I just had an idea.
Given that Keysight are giving away 30 of these things to a selected list of countries (not including Australia unfortunately), which I have no doubt everyone will enter, what si the point me doing the same?
How about I just restrict my units to countries Keysight aren't allowing to enter? (minus dodgy shipping countries like say South Africa who everyone refuses to ship to because stuff just doesn't make it). I could say Australia only which would make it incredibly easy, but no doubt that would piss off too many people?

As somebody living in South Africa I should take offence at that, but unfortunately I am also aware of living in South Africa. One of the reasons Martin relocated to Ohio, where he is loving it. Sad to say the most reliable method to ship to South Africa is FEDEX or DHL, where both the sender and recipient get done over cost wise. They do offer online payment of all before delivery though, along with being able to deposit cash in the bank ( where they wait 3 days for it to reflect in the account as a cash deposit, not a cheque which will invariably bounce or be stolen, with the proof of payment altered to show a cash deposit) or to go to the depot with cash or card and collect there.

However, I have been buying from eBay for a few years, and most of the time the stuff does eventually make it, only one item in the last year did not make it through, and I am very aware of the issues of SAPO taking up to 4 months to process a parcel through when it took 3 days from sending to last tracked in JHB by HK post. Improved a little this year, they got here in under 60 days so I could actually give good feedback to the Ebay store.

Sending this prize internationally will have to be done by insured international courier, and will have to have both sender and recipient details along with insurance. Sad to say the recipient will be dinged for duty, VAT and delivery in almost every country.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on February 23, 2016, 07:44:31 am
FYI
There are some members busy trying to get their post #'s up with consecutive one line replies in the same thread.
Those that might be selected for the honour of a free 1G DSO need have their "valuable" forum input analysed.

I won't name any publically.  :-X
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ataradov on February 23, 2016, 08:06:04 am
Is not it too late for doing this? I believe Dave set cut-off date somewhere around the announcement date.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on February 23, 2016, 09:46:48 am
Is not it too late for doing this? I believe Dave set cut-off date somewhere around the announcement date.
I didn't specifically say "new" members, meaning those members that had joined before the announcement date.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Georgitsu on February 23, 2016, 11:28:15 am
If one of the goals of this giveaway is to encourage people to participate in the EEVblog forum, then obviously part of the giveaway should be to "encourage people to participate in the forum"! Wouldn't ya think? So I think that by requiring people to have/create a forum account in order to participate in the giveaway would be a good way of meeting that goal. Whether people continue to utilize the forum in the future is up to them, but at least they have an account and have gotten the ball rolling.

If you were to only include pre-existing forum members or high-count commenters, that goes against the goal of increasing forum participation. There would be no incentive for anyone new to join in the conversation.

That's my three cents anyway. Cheers!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ataradov on February 23, 2016, 11:35:08 am
If you were to only include pre-existing forum members or high-count commenters, that goes against the goal of increasing forum participation. There would be no incentive for anyone new to join in the conversation.
You should want to join because you have something to say, not because you want a scope. There will be more giveaways, so stick around.

We went through this already on the last giveaway, we ended up with lots of pointless spam by people racking up the post counts.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: mswhin63 on February 24, 2016, 01:30:34 am
Agreed, I also from a RF Background. Got nothing at the moment that will work for me.

As an RF guy, this scope would be incredibly useful to me. I often find the need to look at high frequency signals and high-speed transients. It would be nice to see this sort of scope go to someone like me  :-/O
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: nyo on February 24, 2016, 04:01:35 am
I could really use a scope like that, required for fast rise-time measurement, RF and Microwave applications...
But also I agree it should go to people that help out on the forum answering questions and helping others...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tonyh88 on February 24, 2016, 05:14:44 am
I have no idea why Keysight contest is  everywhere in Canada except province of Quebec. Being in Quebec I'm just wondering if anyone can think of a reason for this?

Simply curious. It is their right to select where they want their contest to take place but is seems funny to exclude only 1 province and not the whole country.

Edit: Never mind just saw the other thread from keysight. It is probably due to our lottery regulation policies.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on February 24, 2016, 05:21:58 am
Hi Tony,

I'm not sure of the specifics for Quebec, but we don't have anything against you guys!  Exclusion/inclusion in the contest is 100% due to legal or technical constraints in the given region. A quick search shows me that Quebec is especially stringent in how contests must be run.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: GamerAndds on February 24, 2016, 06:20:34 am
Well tbh if I win the o scpe (which will never happen) I wouldent know what half the stuff does. But I would learn and thats what makes some of these things good to certain people. Just because they have the skill dosent mean they shouldent have the chance to get it. Some people learn with the tools they have- heck thats how I got started in electronics.

I just hope to whomever this goes to will truly cherish it and not put it on ebay or something.... But just because someone dosent have the skill dosent mean they sholdent get it-
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tonyh88 on February 24, 2016, 11:39:33 am
Hi Tony,

I'm not sure of the specifics for Quebec, but we don't have anything against you guys!  Exclusion/inclusion in the contest is 100% due to legal or technical constraints in the given region. A quick search shows me that Quebec is especially stringent in how contests must be run.

Thanks for the reply and I know it's nothing personnal ahah.  It's true that we have strict regulation on lottery and contests around here
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ez24 on February 24, 2016, 12:23:15 pm
My suggestion:

- send them back -  I can just imagine running into a homeless person in the future: "what happened to you? Answer:  I won a Keysight scope and the government took everything away from me.


If you still want to have some sort of "giveaway" - how about to who ever sends you the most interesting electronic item via your Mailbag.  You would get: items and views and we would be entertained.  You could even have us do the voting.  :)

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Kryoclasm on February 24, 2016, 02:45:43 pm
I'm biased.  :-//
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on February 25, 2016, 12:35:18 pm
If you still want to have some sort of "giveaway" - how about to who ever sends you the most interesting electronic item via your Mailbag.  You would get: items and views and we would be entertained.  You could even have us do the voting.  :)

LOL it takes him months sometimes to open Mailbag items as it is. Now imagine he gets sent thousands of them ?
Then there is the thorny issue of postage costs, anything interesting is bound to be really heavy.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Shadetreeprops on February 25, 2016, 01:36:24 pm
Well, he was right so far very bias.

The only reason i was not here sooner, is becasue every forum i have went to, i tend to get chastised :-DD, for not already knowing, given no help |O, and normally told to google it.

on one forum. i remember being told learning to FAIL and FAIL somemore is how i need to learn. But in my case FAILURE was going to COST ME a lot of money. so i had to get it right :box:. Then i was verbally bashed. so i quit going to fourms.

I have found in certain areas of knowlege, many do not like to help someone, that they think my surpass them in skill. They do not want to be outdone by another.

thats sad  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ez24 on February 25, 2016, 03:04:44 pm

LOL it takes him months sometimes to open Mailbag items as it is. Now imagine he gets sent thousands of them ?
Then there is the thorny issue of postage costs, anything interesting is bound to be really heavy.

Maybe write on the outside that it is for the contest, have Jr open them, I thought postage was paid by the sender.  Seems it would make his post office happy.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on February 28, 2016, 06:21:46 am
I thought postage was paid by the sender.  Seems it would make his post office happy.

You're missing the point, it becomes a contest with a cost to enter, namely the $50 to $200 it would cost to send a heavy item to Dave.
I'd rather Dave fill his limited storage with Brymen multimeters to sell.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on February 29, 2016, 11:58:01 am
There is just one very simple - but significant - problem with people providing ANYTHING that requires adjudication ... and that is the time and hassle involved.

Seriously.  Think about it.

To do even a fair to middling job of it is not trivial and all the time, space, etc. resources Dave allocates to it is a direct impact on his ability to generate an income.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Helix70 on February 29, 2016, 10:24:00 pm
Should be open to all who find it. I consider myself an "active member" of the forum, I just read more than I post. Just because I have a "Having something useful to say" filter does not make me any less of a fan. I watch all the videos, read tons of posts, ask a few questions/opinions and help out on occasion. It is also rather timely, since I am buying a few of these things for work, albeit 100Mhz versions, it would be real handy to have one at home too!  ;)

Just saying....
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Helix70 on February 29, 2016, 10:44:45 pm
If this was a competition to win a $15,000 wall oven, would people be worrying about "are they worthy of the oven?", "Do they cook only *very* special foods", "No beginner can do that oven justice!", "Will winning this improve their cooking?", "If you already have a good oven, you deserve this more than somebody with only a microwave", "Have people tell us all what they would cook, so we can judge the most deserving!", "We should have a toaster oven for beginner cooks".

(Actually, the more I think about it, the more I could see such comments being made by those who feel passionately about it)

Cut the pretension, and make it random among active members, with little incentive for anybody new to spam the forum.

Not everybody has the skills to be an award winning chef, but nearly anybody will take pleasure in having a really nice oven - even if they only use it to cook frozen pizzas. Likewise with a scope.

Plenty of people have won a high-end car and not been able to insure and service it, so sold it almost straight away - at least with this scope it should have minimal running costs.

This.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ataradov on March 01, 2016, 07:29:18 pm
It is amazing how many new users posted "I'm in" in a giveaway thread. People are really incapable of reading just one single post explaining the rules :)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: BravoV on March 01, 2016, 07:35:39 pm
It is amazing how many new users posted "I'm in" in a giveaway thread. People are really incapable of reading just one single post explaining the rules :)

Yep, thats why its interesting to watch these people adding up, the forum's statistic definitely will look interesting.  :P


Quoting Dave especially on this line ...

3) You MUST be an active contributor to the forum, your profile will be checked! If you have less than say 10 post when you post in here, I'll delete you. But don't think that 10 or 11 posts magically gets you in!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 01, 2016, 07:43:48 pm
So far I count 50 with under 10 posts, wish them all the best of luck, saved as a PDF for posterity.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Stupid Beard on March 01, 2016, 08:00:07 pm
Perhaps Dave could do a second draw for the people who ignored the rules, and send the winner a picture of a scope by email.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 01, 2016, 08:04:12 pm
He could send them the silly screen protector that Keysight whacked on it, at least I hope it's a screen protector.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Monittosan on March 01, 2016, 09:23:00 pm
So far I count 50 with under 10 posts, wish them all the best of luck, saved as a PDF for posterity.

Crap!!! I hope i'v got more than 10 posts  :-DD


what would really be funny is if they post I'm in.... randomly everywhere LOLL!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Keridos on March 01, 2016, 10:23:03 pm
Kind of divided between the things. Been watching a lot of videos from EEVBlog and sometimes commenting on youtube but did not really post much in this forums here.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on March 01, 2016, 10:27:08 pm
So far I count 50 with under 10 posts, wish them all the best of luck, saved as a PDF for posterity.

Hmm, maybe I should have just said 50 or 100 posts or something...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on March 01, 2016, 10:31:18 pm
So far I count 50 with under 10 posts, wish them all the best of luck, saved as a PDF for posterity.

Hmm, maybe I should have just said 50 or 100 posts or something...
:-DD
If they can't read, how will they drive a scope like this or even read the manual.  :-//
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 01, 2016, 10:40:24 pm
So far I count 50 with under 10 posts, wish them all the best of luck, saved as a PDF for posterity.

Hmm, maybe I should have just said 50 or 100 posts or something...

It's your competition and I have no qualms either way, I must say however that I'm finding the whole thing rather amusing watching the post count jumps and so on, other than the Siglent boot times thingo this is my first ever entry into such a thing and in all honesty my TDS-1002 does most of what I need anyway and if not then I have the 200 KHz USB Poscope to fall back on for those tricky bits, it's all a bit sad really.


Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on March 01, 2016, 10:40:29 pm
So far I count 50 with under 10 posts, wish them all the best of luck, saved as a PDF for posterity.

Hmm, maybe I should have just said 50 or 100 posts or something...
:-DD
If they can't read, how will they drive a scope like this or even read the manual.  :-//

Perhaps it should be an intelligence test...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Towger on March 01, 2016, 10:51:33 pm
Perhaps it should be an intelligence test...

They must be my customers...

It should be possible to disable posts or hide the thread unless they have >= 10 posts?
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on March 01, 2016, 10:52:54 pm
So far I count 50 with under 10 posts, wish them all the best of luck, saved as a PDF for posterity.

Hmm, maybe I should have just said 50 or 100 posts or something...
:-DD
If they can't read, how will they drive a scope like this or even read the manual.  :-//

Perhaps it should be an intelligence test...
Please don't do that  :scared: some of us want half a chance  :phew:
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rch on March 01, 2016, 10:54:14 pm
So far I count 50 with under 10 posts, wish them all the best of luck, saved as a PDF for posterity.

Hmm, maybe I should have just said 50 or 100 posts or something...

I think it would be fair to include anyone who joined the forum before the competition was announced, even if they haven't had a chance to accumulate many posts yet.  The fact that would include me is pure coincidence!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ElektroQuark on March 01, 2016, 11:03:55 pm
People that have no 10 post yet can easily start posting and pass the mark. They have some time till the end of the "sign in" to the contest.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: @rt on March 01, 2016, 11:18:44 pm
The winner should obviously be someone who tried to fix Channel 1 of a Protek 2 channel scope
by swapping the two seemingly identical front end boards, and channel 2 is still stuffed.
Ideal for not turning on, but taking apart!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/ArtArt/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-01%20at%2010.11.29%20pm_zpsvcen1i69.png)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on March 02, 2016, 03:25:28 am
Perhaps Dave could do a second draw for the people who ignored the rules, and send the winner a picture of a scope by email.

This would be awesome.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: bitseeker on March 02, 2016, 03:46:42 am
:-DD
If they can't read, how will they drive a scope like this or even read the manual.  :-//

Perhaps it should be an intelligence test...

Reading, comprehending, and following written instructions already is an intelligence test. They failed! No worries.  ;)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: made2hack on March 02, 2016, 09:43:55 am
Dave, are you declaring the actual value on the shipping form? Or can you write down a low number, say $300 or something to that effect?

Cause that can be a really expensive customs import duty for someone.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: kaz911 on March 02, 2016, 10:14:27 am
Dave, are you declaring the actual value on the shipping form? Or can you write down a low number, say $300 or something to that effect?

Cause that can be a really expensive customs import duty for someone.

I think Dave is doing what he can - as this scope is already used... and not brand new....
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 02, 2016, 11:27:32 am
Is there any chance that somebody could enter both the Keysight and Dave's draw separately and end up with eight channels ?.

I suppose if somebody was that lucky they should also be taking out a lottery ticket perhaps.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ProBang2 on March 02, 2016, 12:03:43 pm
Is there any chance that somebody could enter both the Keysight and Dave's draw separately and end up with eight channels ?.

I suppose if somebody was that lucky they should also be taking out a lottery ticket perhaps.

And then to be killed by lightning. Statistically much more likely...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: wguibas on March 02, 2016, 04:05:04 pm
I think Dave should give it away completely random to an actively contributing forum member and supporter before the annoucement of the contest. As for voting, this is not a popularity contest, if it was I would have no chance of winning because no one would vote for me.  Imagine a cure for counterfeit chinese atmel chips with defective watchdog timers, with this scope anything is possible. 
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on March 02, 2016, 04:58:29 pm
If they can't read, how will they drive a scope like this or even read the manual.  :-//

Perhaps it should be an intelligence test...

Gives me an idea for a future contest you could run.
Win some neat piece of gear, the catch is you get it after Dave's done a teardown video of it.
The intelligence test is getting a pile of bits, a bucket of screws, and having the watch the video to figure out how to reassemble.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on March 02, 2016, 05:03:16 pm
Win some neat piece of gear, the catch is you get it after Dave's done a teardown video of it.
The intelligence test is getting a pile of bits, a bucket of screws, and having the watch the video to figure out how to reassemble.

Great idea!  :-DD

Dave could make some extra money putting it back together for them when they can't figure it out (if he could be bothered interacting with them at all!).  |O
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on March 02, 2016, 05:08:30 pm
I think Dave should give it away completely random to an actively contributing forum member and supporter before the annoucement of the contest.

Another good idea!

Would save Dave all the grief and would stop all those who join the forum just for the chance to win and never contribute.

Not that I have contributed much of value as yet, being a newbie (mostly general comments).  :-//

Wouldn't help promote the forum though! :--
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on March 02, 2016, 05:26:43 pm
I think Dave is doing what he can - as this scope is already used... and not brand new....

It smells like it's been in the dumpster a while. Most definitely well used.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: bitseeker on March 02, 2016, 05:33:48 pm
It smells like it's been in the dumpster a while. Most definitely well used.

Dumpster devices have been found to be missing their fuse(s) and listed online as "for parts/not working" at pennies on the dollar. ;D
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Helix70 on March 02, 2016, 05:36:02 pm
Sounds easier to keep it in Australia.... :)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on March 02, 2016, 05:39:47 pm
It smells like it's been in the dumpster a while. Most definitely well used.
Bad enough to trouble Customs at a border?
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 02, 2016, 05:41:00 pm
Sounds easier to keep it in Australia.... :)

That's what I've tried to help with.....  :D
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: stejep on March 02, 2016, 06:37:25 pm
It should be any member but from a country that is not available to enter to main contest.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ElektroQuark on March 02, 2016, 06:59:04 pm
Dave, can the scope be sold to the winner in a private eBay auction "as is" for pennies so there is an proof of purchase at very low price?
This could help with customs...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Kjelt on March 02, 2016, 08:07:06 pm
Common I be glad to pay custom duties when you win such a beauty, besides it is much lower than the gambling tax in our country (25%)  :)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ElektroQuark on March 02, 2016, 08:30:22 pm
Here you have to pay taxes (21%) and import duty (another 4%) plus paperwork (about 25€).
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: xtoffer on March 02, 2016, 11:19:09 pm
So far I count 50 with under 10 posts, wish them all the best of luck, saved as a PDF for posterity.

Hmm, maybe I should have just said 50 or 100 posts or something...

I think it would be fair to include anyone who joined the forum before the competition was announced, even if they haven't had a chance to accumulate many posts yet.  The fact that would include me is pure coincidence!

Yeah it's a little bit unfortunate.. personally I have lurked a lot on the forum and watched a lot of the videos. But only joined the forum beginning of this year at some point. Also I don't always feel I have a lot to contribute with so the post count is just slooowly rising ;)

Anyways it's of course up to Dave to define the target and whom he wants to reward. And forum contribution seems rather fair. Maybe I'll have enough for the next giveaway :p


If they can't read, how will they drive a scope like this or even read the manual.  :-//

Perhaps it should be an intelligence test...

Perhaps it should be a Dave trivia test..


And Dave, if you happen to invoke the 8) -rule to be more inclusive, please give some heads up, really would like to take that one apart!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: iXod on March 03, 2016, 01:26:46 am
Certainly give a length of time (an announced length of time), reasonable time, that contest runs. Say, 1 month. NOT "Hey check out this giveaway" and 2 days later entry is closed. NOT GOOD.

Also, simple contribution in the past (no minimum post count) should be sufficient to qualify.

It's obvious that "minimum post count" votes are self-serving those voters: it increases their odds by leaving out the newbies / read-only members, ie, those who are learning the trade...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ElektroQuark on March 03, 2016, 01:33:11 am
His contest his rules.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: elex_enthusiast on March 03, 2016, 01:49:52 am
Certainly give a length of time (an announced length of time), reasonable time, that contest runs. Say, 1 month. NOT "Hey check out this giveaway" and 2 days later entry is closed. NOT GOOD.

Also, simple contribution in the past (no minimum post count) should be sufficient to qualify.

It's obvious that "minimum post count" votes are self-serving those voters: it increases their odds by leaving out the newbies / read-only members, ie, those who are learning the trade...

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. As a noob I don't feel I have something to contribute specially on some technical topics..so most of the time I just lurk around reading interesting threads and learn from it. Winning that valuable scope could make a difference specially for a learner who can't afford to buy a descent (test gear) scope to play and learn with.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: iXod on March 03, 2016, 05:48:02 am
His contest his rules.

It's a POLL. As in "asking for opinions". As in "how to better improve the drawing".

A POLL.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: iXod on March 03, 2016, 05:54:58 am
Has it been announced when registration ("I'm in") closes? I haven't seen any such post by Dave in this thread...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ataradov on March 03, 2016, 05:57:35 am
I haven't seen any such post by Dave in this thread...
Some random date this month. It is in the giveaway thread.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: iXod on March 03, 2016, 06:08:59 am
Some random date this month. It is in the giveaway thread.
I saw DJ's "random" post, just wondering if I missed a subsequent one with a definite date. Guess not...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ElektroQuark on March 03, 2016, 07:31:18 pm
Quote from: iXod on Yesterday at 19:48:02 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=62565.msg884887#msg884887)>Quote from: EdoNork on Yesterday at 15:33:11 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=62565.msg884692#msg884692)
His contest his rules.

It's a POLL. As in "asking for opinions". As in "how to better improve the drawing".

A POLL.


Yes, sorry, wrong thread.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: strangersound on March 05, 2016, 12:07:43 pm
I voted other. I'd like to see an EE student, active tech needing an update, or somebody that will really use it, get it. I guess I'm leaning more towards a charitable contribution than a contest. ;)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: @rt on March 06, 2016, 01:10:12 am
Was that customisation done to just one of them, or another deal like the handheld meters?
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 06, 2016, 02:39:58 am
My impression was that just the two scopes Dave 'found' had the custom graphics and splashscreen.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: bitseeker on March 06, 2016, 03:18:01 am
Since the splashscreen is user customizable, you could get close to making a regular version into an EEVblog one.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: kcozens on March 06, 2016, 05:11:54 am
If it ends up on eBay, I do not think Keysight will send giveaways to Dave anymore.

If the scope was to end up on eBay it would mean the person who was lucky enough to win the scope didn't really want it so they should not have entered the contest in the first place. Any winner who puts the scope on eBay could find they get a big backlash from other Forum users as their Forum user ID will be announced when the winner is selected.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: digsys on March 06, 2016, 10:11:26 am
Quote from: kcozens
Quote from: blueskul
If it ends up on eBay, I do not think Keysight will send giveaways to Dave anymore. 
If the scope was to end up on eBay it would mean the person who was lucky enough to win the scope didn't really want it so they should not have entered the contest in the first place. Any winner who puts the scope on eBay could find they get a big backlash from other Forum users as their Forum user ID will be announced when the winner is selected. 
If you followed Dave's contest discussion, and his previous give-aways, you'd find that - the contest is NOT about who deserves it, or who already owns a soldering
iron, or favouritism due to lots of posts, or too few posts ( with min >10 valid). There will definitely be a lot of sniping and b*tching about the winner, whoever it is.
For Keysight - it has definitely achieved it's goal - wide press (Internet) coverage, especially the ones Dave received. Done and dusted.
For EEVBlog - it has definitely achieved it's goal - a huge jump in new members and posts. Even though, a lot will leave, MANY do stay and contribute to the forum,
as has happened in the past. Done and dusted.
Some will be upset that a "newbie" won it, others that it was an "oldie" and they wasted their time joining. Get over it. again, HIS forum, HIS rules.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on March 06, 2016, 11:41:08 am
My impression was that just the two scopes Dave 'found' had the custom graphics and splashscreen.

The two used scopes found in the dumpster have had the custom graphics applied, and have the boot screen hacked.
I have 5 sets of the custom graphics
My own one now has the black face plate only (you'll see it in a Huxley video shortly) because it's not the 1GHz model, so the number would be wrong.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: @rt on March 06, 2016, 05:01:57 pm

I think I get it.. it’s all in the word ‘found’.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on March 06, 2016, 09:29:02 pm
Your dumpster has so much neat stuff in it, where as the last one near me just had old pallets and builders waste.
Speaking of dumpsters, we've not seen any garbage room finds lately.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: MK14 on March 07, 2016, 01:03:37 am
If it ends up on eBay, I do not think Keysight will send giveaways to Dave anymore.

If the scope was to end up on eBay it would mean the person who was lucky enough to win the scope didn't really want it so they should not have entered the contest in the first place. Any winner who puts the scope on eBay could find they get a big backlash from other Forum users as their Forum user ID will be announced when the winner is selected.

If the competition had a choice of two prizes. Which the winner(s), can choose between, after wining.

(1)...The scope, as currently offered.

(2)...The equivalent $/£ value of the scope, to spend on a wide range of test equipment, available on keysights, website for your country. Signal generators, power supplies, decent scopes, meters, etc etc.
Massively improving many peoples workbenches.

I bet, at least one entrant would go for option (2).
I probably would, especially if getting the stuff in the UK, meant I had NO tax duties/VAT to pay, etc.

tl;dr
If they sold the scope on ebay, then spent ALL the money on getting a decent, all round, set of test gear and tools/components for their home lab. Some would not consider that too unreasonable.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ataradov on March 07, 2016, 07:26:05 am
One of more idiotic examples of what happens when you run giveways like this. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=117970 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=117970) and all that garbage for this https://www.eevblog.com/forum/contests/keysight-scope-giveaway-63957/msg888689/#msg888689 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/contests/keysight-scope-giveaway-63957/msg888689/#msg888689)

I think that giveaway page should also mention a limit on a registration date, I see more and more people racking up their posts by positing garbage like shown above.

EDIT: And this post https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/eevblog-giveaway-contests/msg888687/#msg888687 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/eevblog-giveaway-contests/msg888687/#msg888687) is a definition of irony :)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ElektroQuark on March 07, 2016, 07:55:28 pm
He has been busy for an hour to make those 13 post. It could be worst.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: apis on March 09, 2016, 11:56:18 am
"As before, active forum members only (minimum post count)"

I couldn't decide at first but after giving it some thought I think this is the best option or else there is no good way of preventing people from signing up with multiple sock-puppet accounts.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 13, 2016, 01:02:10 pm
CLOSED!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on March 13, 2016, 07:49:14 pm
I'm thinking about having a scaled voting system. The more posts you have the more entries you get. And if you are in a country not supported by Keysights contest you also get more entries.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: bitseeker on March 13, 2016, 08:12:50 pm
That'd be interesting. The full member list sorted by post count is a quite a long tail. It'd be interesting to see how long the tail is on the subset of qualifying entries.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 13, 2016, 10:12:35 pm
Well, that really reinforces the 'active contributor' criteria.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Samogon on March 13, 2016, 11:03:41 pm
US is in keysight, except NY RI FL
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Samogon on March 13, 2016, 11:28:32 pm
I'm thinking about having a scaled voting system. The more posts you have the more entries you get. And if you are in a country not supported by Keysights contest you also get more entries.
There is simple algorithm to select random entry with predefined weight.
So besically we will cycle through array of user IDs and their records number as a weight coefficient.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: AndyC_772 on March 14, 2016, 01:52:57 am
Given that most people seem to want to enter...

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 14, 2016, 10:51:19 am
Well, I've declared my interest - and I'll even save Dave the cost of shipping.  I'll drive over and help him haul it out of the dumpster!  I'm only 15 minutes away (20 in traffic).
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on March 14, 2016, 11:25:06 am
I'll drive over and help him haul it out of the dumpster!  I'm only 15 minutes away (20 in traffic).

Sorry Brumby, you would be wasting your time! :-DD

I'll have already picked it up - I'll have to leave earlier though, I'm about 40mins away.  :phew:

(I'll still honour our deal though - I'll turn it on and let you know long the splash screen stays on)  ;)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 14, 2016, 11:43:20 am
We'll see....

(I'll still honour our deal though - I'll turn it on and let you know long the splash screen stays on)  ;)

I already have an answer - from Dave's video on it.  It's around 4 seconds.

But I will verify it for you ...  ;D
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on March 14, 2016, 12:03:24 pm
We'll see....

I already have an answer - from Dave's video on it.  It's around 4 seconds.

But I will verify it for you ...  ;D

Damn you - spoilers!  :rant:

You've taken away all my fun at first turning it on! :)

You'll have more chances than me if Dave goes ahead with extra votes for more active forum members - oh well, have fun with the new (oops, used) toy! :palm:
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Postal666 on March 14, 2016, 01:32:33 pm
I'm thinking about having a scaled voting system. The more posts you have the more entries you get. And if you are in a country not supported by Keysights contest you also get more entries.

Not that my opinion matters, but...wouldn't this basically destroy us NOOBs chances of ever winning a random drawing?  I mean, you have many "super" contributors on here who's entry numbers would swamp mine, thus making the odds unrealistically low for winning. As far as restricting any Keysight countries...I would think that in those drawings the odds are already horribly low being open to everyone.

IMO everyone in the EEVBlog community should get a fair shake. All the way from the "they already have access to..." down to the "wouldn't know what to do with it..." members. 1 entry, 1 chance. We could even do away with the "useful post" criteria by implementing basic qualifications. For example....you MUST be a registered forum member 24 hrs before Dave's "official" announcement of said contest. Simple, no spammers; no need for Dave to make a judgment call on the winners usefulness.  What, you joined the forum after the announcement because you wanted to win THIS scope? Sorry, but at least you're in for the next giveaway now.

Like I said though, my opinion doesn't meant squat, but I feel that adding bonus points/entry weight, and even usefulness (which I totally agreed with to keep the riff-raff out of the contest) judgment calls aren't the way to go. Adding criteria like that stacks the deck, and completely negates the whole "random" thing. Nothing wrong with entry rules though...

Sign up 24 hrs before announcement, post ONCE to the contest thread, 1 entry, 1 chance. Then when the winning name is drawn it will be fair AND random. Best of luck to all of us that have entered.

In the end, win or lose, it's Dave's world we just live in it. I will happily defer to whatever he choses.  :-+
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on March 14, 2016, 01:54:20 pm
Not that my opinion matters, but...wouldn't this basically destroy us NOOBs chances of ever winning a random drawing?  I mean, you have many "super" contributors on here who's entry numbers would swamp mine, thus making the odds unrealistically low for winning.

Not if it's scaled correctly. e.g. 100 posts gets you an extra entry. 1000 posts gets you two extra entries.

Quote
Sign up 24 hrs before announcement, post ONCE to the contest thread, 1 entry, 1 chance. Then when the winning name is drawn it will be fair AND random. Best of luck to all of us that have entered.

So you are in favour of a person joining the forum just to enter the contest, winning it, and then never posting again?
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Helix70 on March 14, 2016, 01:57:15 pm
They would post again to complain about the tax, surely....
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: broz on March 14, 2016, 02:01:44 pm
Not that my opinion matters, but...wouldn't this basically destroy us NOOBs chances of ever winning a random drawing?  I mean, you have many "super" contributors on here who's entry numbers would swamp mine, thus making the odds unrealistically low for winning.

Not if it's scaled correctly. e.g. 100 posts gets you an extra entry. 1000 posts gets you two extra entries.

Even though it would mean fewer entries for me in relation to others, I think a logarithmic scale such as this would be fair.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on March 14, 2016, 02:06:46 pm
They would post again to complain about the tax, surely....

 :-DD :-DD Very perceptive!

Not if it's scaled correctly. e.g. 100 posts gets you an extra entry. 1000 posts gets you two extra entries.

Even though it would mean fewer entries for me in relation to others, I think a logarithmic scale such as this would be fair.

Yes, log scale sounds fair - I was worried it would be linear eg 1000 posts = 10 votes, etc.  :palm:
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: PointyOintment on March 14, 2016, 05:04:33 pm
Quote
Sign up 24 hrs before announcement, post ONCE to the contest thread, 1 entry, 1 chance. Then when the winning name is drawn it will be fair AND random. Best of luck to all of us that have entered.

So you are in favour of a person joining the forum just to enter the contest, winning it, and then never posting again?

I don't understand how that means that. My interpretation of the suggestion would mean that to be eligible, you'd have to join the forum before having any way to know there was a contest coming up (which seems fair to me).

Yes, log scale sounds fair - I was worried it would be linear eg 1000 posts = 10 votes, etc.  :palm:

That's linear? 10 posts (entry threshold) = 1 entry, 100 posts = 10 entries, 1000 posts = 100 entries would be linear.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: bitseeker on March 14, 2016, 05:19:06 pm
Not if it's scaled correctly. e.g. 100 posts gets you an extra entry. 1000 posts gets you two extra entries.
I think a logarithmic scale such as this would be fair.

Sounds good to me, too.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on March 14, 2016, 05:29:17 pm
That's linear? 10 posts (entry threshold) = 1 entry, 100 posts = 10 entries, 1000 posts = 100 entries would be linear.

Doh!  :-//

Poor typing skills (or too rushed, or both) - missed the extra zero.

As you rightly pointed out, it should have been 100 entries (should also have said 'entries' rather than 'votes'  |O)

"...picked the wrong day to give up sniffing glue..."  :-DD

Thanks for correcting that PointyOintment.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Postal666 on March 15, 2016, 02:08:00 am
Quote
Sign up 24 hrs before announcement, post ONCE to the contest thread, 1 entry, 1 chance. Then when the winning name is drawn it will be fair AND random. Best of luck to all of us that have entered.

So you are in favour of a person joining the forum just to enter the contest, winning it, and then never posting again?
[/quote]

Not at all. Pointy read it right. Unless they were psychic, anyone joining a day before you even make an announcement that there is going to be a contest, would indicate (to me anyway) that they were interested in the forum to begin with. The "sorry for ya" part was for those that would join just to win, or joined and tried to enter after the contest had started. That's all I meant.

Scaled properly it could work I guess, but there are loads of us who aren't lurkers, but still learners, and simply don't have much to say. I suppose if I had 4100 posts instead of 41 my feelings might be different  :-DD.   Like I said earlier, your house, your rules. Was just throwing my .02 in in response to the thread title, that's all.  Good luck everyone who got in!!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Towger on March 15, 2016, 03:46:30 am
The BBS system also tracks total the spend online. So lurkers could gain credits that way.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: BravoV on March 15, 2016, 02:39:37 pm
Damage report on the forum as usual -> Forum Stats (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-getting-too-popular/msg895522/#msg895522).
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Samogon on March 16, 2016, 03:15:41 pm
I would imagine flood of freebies if someone post message on the slickdeals.net when next giveaway will have place :)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on March 16, 2016, 04:54:42 pm
I now have a spreadsheet of the names, countries, and number of posts after I culled those under 10 posts and a few from troublesome Germany.
638 people entered.
What I will do now is improve the odds by duplicating entries for those in countries that Keysight wouldn't allow. And also a scaled number of post things. There are 61 entries with over 1000 posts.
Then I'll just a do a video picking a random number, and the spreadsheet cell that matches will be the winner, subject to profile checking.
FYI:
Here is a histogram of post ranges for all entries.

(http://i.imgur.com/vNBZZOs.png)

Here is another with a linear axis with a post spread of 50. You can really see the number of entries under 50 posts dominates.

(http://i.imgur.com/G2bSKeX.png)

It could be argued that those under 50 should be knocked out?
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: TheAmmoniacal on March 16, 2016, 05:23:08 pm
The majority did vote for

Quote
As before, active forum members only (minimum post count)

In the poll, I'd say less than 50 posts is not active.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ez24 on March 16, 2016, 05:23:41 pm
Quote
It could be argued that those under 50 should be knocked out?

Yes - as an over 50 person.  Actually I am 67 yo,   :-+
This would be nice to seniors.  ha ha ha
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on March 16, 2016, 05:42:41 pm
Quote
It could be argued that those under 50 should be knocked out?

Yes - as an over 50 person.  Actually I am 67 yo,   :-+
This would be nice to seniors.  ha ha ha

But then you'd be on here complaining about doing your back in lifting it (and the taxes).
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on March 16, 2016, 05:51:30 pm
I now have a spreadsheet of the names, countries, and number of posts after I culled those under 10 posts and a few from troublesome Germany.
638 people entered.


It could be argued that those under 50 should be knocked out?
Would it not be appropriate to consider forum joining date?

Say a member joined in Jan and had 40 odd posts, hey that's ~1/day.
I'd say that was typical of us all when we first joined.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on March 16, 2016, 05:56:43 pm
Would it not be appropriate to consider forum joining date?
Say a member joined in Jan and had 40 odd posts, hey that's ~1/day.
I'd say that was typical of us all when we first joined.

I don't have that data readily available to cull the list before the draw.
I'd have to do that check post-draw.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ElektroQuark on March 16, 2016, 07:05:58 pm
It's in the user profile, summary section.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on March 16, 2016, 07:55:32 pm
It's in the user profile, summary section.

I'm not manually going through all those profiles to get people's join date.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ElektroQuark on March 16, 2016, 08:02:54 pm
I was thinking about an script or similar.
Maybe a database genious from the forum can do it with some query and export to something usefull for you.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rch on March 17, 2016, 12:26:05 am
As another who joined Jan/Feb but a week or two before the this giveaway was announced I'd be bit aggrieved to be left out.  And don't lurkers actually contribute to the advertising value of the forum?
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: bitseeker on March 17, 2016, 04:03:26 am
Would it not be appropriate to consider forum joining date?

I don't have that data readily available to cull the list before the draw.
I'd have to do that check post-draw.

The winner is "subject to profile checking", anyway.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ade on March 17, 2016, 07:35:54 am
Quote
I was thinking about an script or similar.
Maybe a database genious from the forum can do it with some query and export to something usefull for you.

Easy peasy:

Code: [Select]
$sql = "SELECT member_name FROM smf_members ORDER BY rand() LIMIT 1";
$result = $conn->query($sql);
$row = $result->fetch_assoc();

$winner = "ade"; // most important part!!!!!!!!!!!
echo "The winner is: " . $winner;

;D
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rx8pilot on March 17, 2016, 07:44:20 am
Easy peasy:

Code: [Select]
$sql = "SELECT member_name FROM smf_members ORDER BY rand() LIMIT 1";
$result = $conn->query($sql);
$row = $result->fetch_assoc();

$winner = "rx8pilot"; // most important part!!!!!!!!!!!
echo "The winner is: " . $winner;

;D

Fixed a bug in your script.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Leiothrix on March 17, 2016, 08:39:27 am
In the poll, I'd say less than 50 posts is not active.

That gets back to how you define active.

This will be my 50th post, but my join date is August 2014 and I read this forum most days.

Just because I don't post much doesn't mean I'm not using the forum.

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Kjelt on March 17, 2016, 08:46:19 am
This will be my 50th post, but my join date is August 2014 and I read this forum most days.

Just because I don't post much doesn't mean I'm not using the forum.

Yes well my personal opinion is that a forum is made interesting (and attractive for readers) only through the contributions of posters with know how, experience and an attitude to share.
I find that those users that share and post their experiments and actually prove to use this kind of equipment deserve it the most.
And yes you are using the forum, start contributing to the forum, everyones experiences, opinions and even their questions might be valuable to others and do matter and are appreciated ;)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Postal666 on March 17, 2016, 08:57:42 am
In the poll, I'd say less than 50 posts is not active.

That gets back to how you define active.

This will be my 50th post, but my join date is August 2014 and I read this forum most days.

Just because I don't post much doesn't mean I'm not using the forum.

Same boat here, Leiothrix...member since 2012 but only 42 posts. I have contributed, and even been helpful in resolving issues with a few members' mail troubles of all things; guess my user id gave me away lol.  Let's just keep our fingers crossed, and hope the Giveaway Gods smile in our favor. Good luck to you, fellow forum family.  Wow, alliteration...my 5th grade English teacher would be so proud right now.... :clap:
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ludzinc on March 17, 2016, 11:51:06 am
It could be argued that those under 50 should be knocked out?

(Checks my post count is > 50.  Success!)

Yep, Agree!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Samogon on March 17, 2016, 02:09:59 pm
US is in the keysight list, but Florida, New York and Rhoad Island are exceptions, i think it is fare to double chances for them
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 17, 2016, 04:24:00 pm
I don't disagree - but how is Dave to determine this?
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Samogon on March 17, 2016, 04:53:33 pm
I don't disagree - but how is Dave to determine this?
Yes, location in profile in not required field.
Agree it is impossible.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on March 17, 2016, 07:12:14 pm
Just because I don't post much doesn't mean I'm not using the forum.

If you don't post much then you aren't contributing to the forum. You can read it every day, but that's not adding value.

I know some posters who I'd gladly give the scope to for a single comprehensive post, so post cost in this instance is not a good indicator. But in general, post count is the only way to do at a general level.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on March 17, 2016, 07:15:09 pm
And don't lurkers actually contribute to the advertising value of the forum?

In a way they do, but not nearly as valuable as those who actually contribute.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: stejep on March 17, 2016, 10:29:48 pm
I have been reading all these comments and suggestions and am getting sick of it.

Dave, just do want you feel is best and then everyone will just have to live with it.

 :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rch on March 18, 2016, 12:49:20 am
I have been reading all these comments and suggestions and am getting sick of it.

Dave, just do want you feel is best and then everyone will just have to live with it.

 :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

I don't disagree with you, but you are reading a thread asking for comments and suggestions!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: stejep on March 18, 2016, 06:23:16 am
I have been reading all these comments and suggestions and am getting sick of it.

Dave, just do want you feel is best and then everyone will just have to live with it.

 :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

I don't disagree with you, but you are reading a thread asking for comments and suggestions!

Yes, but Dave has already posted the rules of the contest and he has also closed the contest, so I see its up to him now.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 18, 2016, 11:06:10 am
The draw hasn't been made yet, so appropriate suggestions are still relevant.

I'm only guessing here - but I think Dave will have had more than adequate experience to develop broad enough shoulders to take all the suggestions in his stride.  Doesn't mean he'll take them up.  Doesn't mean he'll ignore them.


How ever the draw is run, there will be 637 people who will not win a scope.  Please, let there be no daggers drawn.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ez24 on March 18, 2016, 11:55:12 am
Take 3 electronic devices (including scopes) and blow them up.  Use high voltages, currents, explosives, etc.

Use a stopwatch and time their life.  Use the "tenth of a second" digit as a digit.

For example:

Unit No. 1  took  2 min 23.3 secs to blow up (or stop working)  so we have a "3"
This is our first number.

Unit No. 2  (could be a multimeter with 5,000 volts applied)  takes 0.1 sec (really just the reaction time).  So we have "1"

Unit No. 3 gives us a "5"

So member 315 (from the list) wins  :-DD

Just make lots of smoke  :-+
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on March 19, 2016, 08:49:05 am
1. Solder 10 caps to a PCB and number them from 0 to 9. Point the HS camera at it, and apply way to much voltage in the wrong polarity.
2. Repeat twice to get tens and hundreds.
3. Draw winner and evaculate lab before the neighbours notice the smell.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 19, 2016, 11:18:23 am
Don't know how practical some of these suggestions are - but they are entertaining and creative.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on March 19, 2016, 02:11:28 pm
Don't know how practical some of these suggestions are - but they are entertaining and creative.

I'll admit mine isn't practical, as we all know Dave had very little luck getting caps to explode properly.
Parallel strings of LEDs would work better, slowly wind up the voltage, the friode denotes the winner.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rx8pilot on March 19, 2016, 04:02:27 pm
Print out my username 800 times. Put all the prints into a fish bowl. Pull my name out on camera. Announce that rx8pilot has won the prize.

Right? Seems so easy. I will fly to AU to pickup, shake hands, and be very grateful.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 19, 2016, 05:08:17 pm
I know Dave is considering weighting the entries ... but that's taking it a bit too far, I think.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: SeanB on March 19, 2016, 05:37:34 pm
Buckleys chance of that happening there.........

The scope will be coming to me!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on March 19, 2016, 05:53:53 pm
I know Dave is considering weighting the entries ... but that's taking it a bit too far, I think.
Really?

To quote Dave's reply a day or so ago:

If you don't post much then you aren't contributing to the forum. You can read it every day, but that's not adding value.

I know some posters who I'd gladly give the scope to for a single comprehensive post, so post cost in this instance is not a good indicator. But in general, post count is the only way to do at a general level.


And

In a way they do, but not nearly as valuable as those who actually contribute.

Doesn't this imply contribution to the forum is ranked high in Dave's view, I think it does and it does IMO too.
Isn't the knowledge base of the experienced members valuable to the forum?
You bet it is and it's the main reason behind my input into this thread in reply #28.

If the occasional prize/gift becomes available to those that have had a significant input, why's that a bad thing?  :-//

Wouldn't it be an incentive for those that have not joined or their post count is low to further share their wisdom and improve the forum more?

It would seem there'll be a few goodies up for grabs in the near future and I don't see why Dave wouldn't want to reward someone that has made significant contributions with maybe some of the spoils in his goodies bag.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: RobertoLG on March 19, 2016, 07:11:36 pm
Buckleys chance of that happening there.........

The scope will be coming to me!

I wish you good luck, I hope you get it  :-+
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Ivan7enych on March 19, 2016, 08:03:49 pm
Just because I don't post much doesn't mean I'm not using the forum.

If you don't post much then you aren't contributing to the forum. You can read it every day, but that's not adding value.

I know some posters who I'd gladly give the scope to for a single comprehensive post, so post cost in this instance is not a good indicator. But in general, post count is the only way to do at a general level.

Some forums have an option to mark everybody post as positive (to mark it as useful to you). That count of positive marks would be a more adequate indicator of a user contribution. For example somebody write a good review and post it in a single post, and receive 100 positive marks. Another guy floods the forum with complains on its device, he will have 1000 posts and no positive marks... Of cource it's not ideal and can be spoiled with creating many fake accounts to add many positive marks, so there must be some limitations...

I belong to moderators team in big russian astronomy forum,
here is my thread of repairs, constructions...
http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,87109.0.html (http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,87109.0.html)

We have both positive and negative (most questionable thing) reputation counts, once in 2-3 years we had a big discussion do we need the users reputation marks, usualy many people screaming loud on a forum - remove it!, and always the vote shows the 70% users want to see the reputation, want to know can they trust to the user's words...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on March 19, 2016, 08:27:00 pm
It would seem there'll be a few goodies up for grabs in the near future and I don't see why Dave wouldn't want to reward someone that has made significant contributions with maybe some of the spoils in his goodies bag.

If you mean something like an annual "best and fairest" award to a contributing member then I say that's a great idea. It might help improve the forum for everyone and get people participating.
Yep, wilfred, that would work for me.  :-+
Of course I don't need a scope, got them shoved in cupboards and all over the place.  :scared:
Shhh, don't tell her.  ;)

Just because I don't post much doesn't mean I'm not using the forum.

If you don't post much then you aren't contributing to the forum. You can read it every day, but that's not adding value.

I know some posters who I'd gladly give the scope to for a single comprehensive post, so post cost in this instance is not a good indicator. But in general, post count is the only way to do at a general level.

Some forums have an option to mark everybody post as positive (to mark it as useful to you). That count of positive marks would be a more adequate indicator of a user contribution. For example somebody write a good review and post it in a single post, and receive 100 positive marks. Another guy floods the forum with complains on its device, he will have 1000 posts and no positive marks... Of cource it's not ideal and can be spoiled with creating many fake accounts to add many positive marks, so there must be some limitations...

I belong to moderators team in big russian astronomy forum,
here is my thread of repairs, constructions...
http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,87109.0.html (http://www.astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,87109.0.html)

We have both positive and negative (most questionable thing) reputation counts, once in 2-3 years we had a big discussion do we need the users reputation marks, usualy many people screaming loud on a forum - remove it!, and always the vote shows the 70% users want to see the reputation, want to know can they trust to the user's words...
Another  (not electronic) forum I belong to uses "Likes" and while that might be useful to administrators to gauge "quality/quantity of contributions", IMO the forum itself should be able to vote/nominate the members that have offered the most help, isn't that the reason we join, to seek advice?
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 19, 2016, 08:37:50 pm
I'm only here to steal some jokes, then I'm off like a shot....... :popcorn:
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: BravoV on March 19, 2016, 09:01:33 pm
Buckleys chance of that happening there.........

The scope will be coming to me!

I wish you good luck, I hope you get it  :-+

+1, if winners is voted by members, actually I have 3 other forum members as nominees, and SeanB is one of them.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: SeanB on March 19, 2016, 09:51:34 pm
Buckleys chance of that happening there.........

The scope will be coming to me!

I wish you good luck, I hope you get it  :-+

+1, if winners is voted by members, actually I have 3 other forum members as nominees, and SeanB is one of them.

Trying to think why me, but thanks anyway for the vote of confidence.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 19, 2016, 09:53:40 pm
I know Dave is considering weighting the entries ... but that's taking it a bit too far, I think.
Really?

To quote Dave's reply a day or so ago:

If you don't post much then you aren't contributing to the forum. You can read it every day, but that's not adding value.

I know some posters who I'd gladly give the scope to for a single comprehensive post, so post cost in this instance is not a good indicator. But in general, post count is the only way to do at a general level.


And

In a way they do, but not nearly as valuable as those who actually contribute.

Doesn't this imply contribution to the forum is ranked high in Dave's view, I think it does and it does IMO too.
Isn't the knowledge base of the experienced members valuable to the forum?
You bet it is and it's the main reason behind my input into this thread in reply #28.

If the occasional prize/gift becomes available to those that have had a significant input, why's that a bad thing?  :-//

Wouldn't it be an incentive for those that have not joined or their post count is low to further share their wisdom and improve the forum more?

It would seem there'll be a few goodies up for grabs in the near future and I don't see why Dave wouldn't want to reward someone that has made significant contributions with maybe some of the spoils in his goodies bag.

You seem to have completely missed the context of my post.

It was in response to the post immediately preceding it, namely:
Print out my username 800 times. Put all the prints into a fish bowl. Pull my name out on camera. Announce that rx8pilot has won the prize.

Right? Seems so easy. I will fly to AU to pickup, shake hands, and be very grateful.

I don't think my response was out of line in any way, shape or form - unless I missed something...???


We all know rx8pilot has a deep desire (and declared need) for such a scope, but ......
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: SeanB on March 19, 2016, 10:05:53 pm
Yes, but as he does drive a Mazdarusty..........
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: tautech on March 19, 2016, 10:11:44 pm
I know Dave is considering weighting the entries ... but that's taking it a bit too far, I think.
Really?

To quote Dave's reply a day or so ago:

If you don't post much then you aren't contributing to the forum. You can read it every day, but that's not adding value.

I know some posters who I'd gladly give the scope to for a single comprehensive post, so post cost in this instance is not a good indicator. But in general, post count is the only way to do at a general level.


And

In a way they do, but not nearly as valuable as those who actually contribute.

Doesn't this imply contribution to the forum is ranked high in Dave's view, I think it does and it does IMO too.
Isn't the knowledge base of the experienced members valuable to the forum?
You bet it is and it's the main reason behind my input into this thread in reply #28.

If the occasional prize/gift becomes available to those that have had a significant input, why's that a bad thing?  :-//

Wouldn't it be an incentive for those that have not joined or their post count is low to further share their wisdom and improve the forum more?

It would seem there'll be a few goodies up for grabs in the near future and I don't see why Dave wouldn't want to reward someone that has made significant contributions with maybe some of the spoils in his goodies bag.

You seem to have completely missed the context of my post.

It was in response to the post immediately preceding it, namely:
Print out my username 800 times. Put all the prints into a fish bowl. Pull my name out on camera. Announce that rx8pilot has won the prize.

Right? Seems so easy. I will fly to AU to pickup, shake hands, and be very grateful.

I don't think my response was out of line in any way, shape or form - unless I missed something...???


We all know rx8pilot has a deep desire (and declared need) for such a scope, but ......
No problem now, you've now Quoted it and it's now clear what you meant.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 19, 2016, 11:28:05 pm
Sorry for the confusion - but my post was immediately after the post to which it was referring.


Anyway....... 
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rx8pilot on March 20, 2016, 03:10:37 am
I know, I know. Totally over doing it. :-)

Trying to calm down now.....

Sent from my horrible mobile....

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: RobertoLG on March 20, 2016, 09:37:55 am
Trying to think why me, but thanks anyway for the vote of confidence.
[/quote]

for being nice, isn't it a good reason?  :-+
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: FLIP on March 20, 2016, 11:10:19 pm
id go with and similar to other comps that get run, depending on the prize at the time.

be it one open to australians only, or one for the overseas people only.
open to all except certain countries with silly import laws and atxes & so on.

or even explain why you should win in a 30second video or something similar or way out there kind of way

one comp i saw recently over on yt, used a script called youtube comment grabber or something similar to that, that picked a random comment
had rules like poster must have only 1 comment etc, but if one was to be run by eevblog on yt, this would be a good way to do it, rather than using something like random.org etc
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Towger on March 25, 2016, 12:16:24 am
Has Dave forgotten to draw a winner ::)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 25, 2016, 12:53:21 am
I expect that he may be waiting for the Keysight Scope month to conclude and then perhaps do a review on the found items before nominating a recipient, mind you those dumpsters can be a challenge to get out of with your hands full so I'm told.

Everyone's a winner...... 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-GkwIRbLw8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-GkwIRbLw8)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ez24 on March 25, 2016, 05:04:32 am

Is it possible he is trying to come up with a way of picking someone and at the same time make it interesting to get views on the video.

After all video blogging is his business.  I am disappointed in members not being able to come up with something interesting so I am going to start a new post asking for ideas.  Unfortunately most of my ideas would get him thrown in jail but lots of views (like marking 700 bunnies and put them on a freeway and the "winner" would be the last one alive.

So any money he would make would have to be used for bail  :-DD

Seems with so many "minds" here - someone could come up with something interesting and funny.

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on March 25, 2016, 12:40:39 pm
* Fire up Google Earth
* Spin the globe a few random times
* Drop a pin wherever it stops
* Take the latitude and longitude (DD:MM:SS) of the pin
* Convert these numbers to seconds of arc and add them.  Call this 'P'
* Take the number of entrants (in a numbered list).  Call this 'N'
* Calculate P mod N
* Look up the winner from the numbered list

For locations where a game of skill is required, the potential winner must calculate the shortest Great Circle distance from their computer to the coordinates of the pin to the nearest kilometre.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: sequoia on March 26, 2016, 10:56:17 am
Maybe Dave could build a true (hardware) random number generator, and make a video or two about building and proving that it works properly... Then simply use it to pick the winner(s)...
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: RobertoLG on March 26, 2016, 11:02:45 am
pieces of paper in a hat would have the same effect lol
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ez24 on March 26, 2016, 12:36:32 pm
all would make a boring video - too bad no ideas  :palm:
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: IconicPCB on April 06, 2016, 10:25:26 am
What of the used Keysight scope.. the March run?

"Live video draw will be some unknown date, sometime this month."

Which month?

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: dr_p on April 11, 2016, 04:44:38 pm
mid April, at least :))
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ez24 on April 11, 2016, 05:33:25 pm
all would make a boring video - too bad no ideas  :palm:

My favorite method would be to take dark sheets of paper, number them. take them to a park.  Then when a pigeon shits on the paper, it gets counted.   Just think, it would only take 3 pigeon shits to pick a winner   :-DD :-DD :-DD
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: SeanB on April 12, 2016, 06:43:51 am
Saturday 16 April at 9AM Sydney time.

Will be 1AM for me, will have to either stay up or set a loud alarm.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Kjelt on April 12, 2016, 07:01:21 am
Saturday 16 April at 9AM Sydney time.

Will be 1AM for me, will have to either stay up or set a loud alarm.
When and where was that posted?  :-//
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rx8pilot on April 12, 2016, 07:02:27 am
https://youtu.be/6GF-9ox6d0Y

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: IconicPCB on April 12, 2016, 08:48:21 am
Quote
When and where was that posted?


A bit of a tits on the bull situation
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: EEVblog on April 12, 2016, 09:24:20 am
When and where was that posted?  :-//

The place where Youtubers post stuff  ;D
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: RobertoLG on April 12, 2016, 09:46:19 am
Soo...lets start the nail biting  :-DD  good luck  :-+
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: station240 on April 12, 2016, 09:51:41 am
When and where was that posted?  :-//

The place where Youtubers post stuff  ;D

The link from the description
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EEVblog+Live+Giveaway&iso=20160416T09&p1=240&ah=1 (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=EEVblog+Live+Giveaway&iso=20160416T09&p1=240&ah=1)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on April 12, 2016, 10:12:41 am
That's great.

I'd be able to pop over to do the meet and greet, pick it up and be home before lunch!    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on April 12, 2016, 10:19:41 am
That's great.

I'd be able to pop over to do the meet and greet, pick it up and be home before lunch!    ;D ;D ;D
Can I come and have a look too (since you apparently will be the winner Brumby)? :'(
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on April 12, 2016, 10:23:42 am
Absolutely!

(Let me dream a little .....)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: IconicPCB on April 12, 2016, 10:37:42 am
BWD 830 with manual and probes exchange offer still stands.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ProBang2 on April 12, 2016, 01:44:03 pm

Have I missed something?

Why should be the live video draw interesting for someone in Germany?              :-//
Germany is the one and only country worldwide that had been excluded!     :--
As said: Obviously are some countries more equal than others. Lesson learned...  :o

Therefore applies (at least) for me:

"Was auch passiert:
Nie dürft ihr so tief sinken,
von dem Kakao,
durch den man euch zieht,
auch noch zu trinken..."

(Erich Kästner)

"Whatever happens:
Never allow yourself to sink so low,
from the cocoa,
you had been pulled,
even to drink."

(Erich Kaestner)

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ElektroQuark on April 12, 2016, 04:56:02 pm
Quote from: SeanB on Yesterday at 20:43:51 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=62565.msg916831#msg916831)
Saturday 16 April at 9AM Sydney time.

Will be 1AM for me, will have to either stay up or set a loud alarm.


01:00 here too. It's time to party.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Kjelt on April 12, 2016, 06:46:24 pm
Thanks all, clear now. Let's see if I am not too old to stay up to 1am  :)

Have I missed something?
Why should be the live video draw interesting for someone in Germany?              :-//
Germany is the one and only country worldwide that had been excluded!     :--
You are probably mixing up the official Keysight giveaway where indeed also the Netherlands was excluded (rediculous but explained in other topics) and the Dave Keysight container find forum giveaway, which this is all about. Now who wants a brand new Keysight scope when he can get a real Dave's eevblog scope, hopefull with some nice Eevblog sticker on it :-+
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: PA0PBZ on April 12, 2016, 08:02:42 pm
You are probably mixing up the official Keysight giveaway where indeed also the Netherlands was excluded (rediculous but explained in other topics) and the Dave Keysight container find forum giveaway, which this is all about.

I now have a spreadsheet of the names, countries, and number of posts after I culled those under 10 posts and a few from troublesome Germany.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Augustus on April 13, 2016, 12:05:42 am
This is really hard to translate...

cocoa = hot chocolate

To "pull someone through hot chocolate" = making fun of someone.

So, if someone makes fun of you "pulling you through hot chocolate", whatever happens, never get so low to drink of it as well.

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ProBang2 on April 13, 2016, 12:07:32 am
"Durch den Kakao gezogen" => "pulled through hot chocolate" means "to be humiliated".
The whole meaning is:
You should never allow, to be a participiant of your own humiliation.

Probably someone can make a much better translation.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on April 13, 2016, 12:10:49 am
This is really hard to translate...

cocoa = hot chocolate

To "pull someone through hot chocolate" = making fun of someone.

So, if someone makes fun of you "pulling you through hot chocolate", whatever happens, never get so low to drink of it as well.

OK.  Now it makes sense - but that not an expression I've ever heard before...

... but I'll never forget it now!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: igendel on April 13, 2016, 01:22:44 am
And give up on perfectly good German chocolate? It's just like "when life gives you lemons", except with chocolate  :D
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: SeanB on April 13, 2016, 03:35:01 am
Germany excluded because Dave does not like, really does not like, absolutely does not like, some might even say detests, and possibly with good reason, German Customs, who like the "Papieren Bitte!" to be Teutonically correct, with every single little mark in the correct space, all the additional documentation they can pull out of the crypt of the filing and customs system, the category to be absolutely and utterly correct on each and every item, including the paper and ink used on the documentation, the cover page, the alignment of said cover page to be within 1mm of the KorreKt location on the parcel, which has to be an approved box, made with the correct paper pulp, and with the correct packaging inserts and sealed with the correct tape, applied the correct way, and then they will charge duty and such on it, and send it back uncollected.

Might just be that.....
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on April 13, 2016, 09:00:45 am
While I don't recall Dave being so specific, that's definitely the vibe.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: MarvinTheMartian on April 13, 2016, 09:59:45 am
Germany excluded because Dave does not like, really does not like, absolutely does not like, some might even say detests, and possibly with good reason, German Customs, who like the "Papieren Bitte!" to be Teutonically correct, with every single little mark in the correct space, all the additional documentation they can pull out of the crypt of the filing and customs system, the category to be absolutely and utterly correct on each and every item, including the paper and ink used on the documentation, the cover page, the alignment of said cover page to be within 1mm of the KorreKt location on the parcel, which has to be an approved box, made with the correct paper pulp, and with the correct packaging inserts and sealed with the correct tape, applied the correct way, and then they will charge duty and such on it, and send it back uncollected.

Might just be that.....

I don't understand - could you be a bit more specific please?  :-DD :-DD
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Hobby73 on April 13, 2016, 04:23:43 pm
I'm a new forum member and I didn't even realize you gave items away until I just saw your recent video announcement.  I think it's great you're doing this, but given the cost and hassles of shipping a piece of equipment to another country I would make things easy for yourself and donate it to a local school in your town.  Maybe set an expectation that their students will use it on some project and post their results on the forum. 

I don't want to discourage the giveaways, it makes participating in this forum even more fun. Even one of your customized shirts would be great to receive in the mail and would be more reasonable for you to do.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Kjelt on April 13, 2016, 06:40:35 pm
That is the same discussion as in the Keysigh give away. School need simple cheap scopes , like the Rigol or 100MHz ones. Not a GHz scope,it is overkill.
You don't give a ferrari to driver schools now do you  :)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on April 13, 2016, 09:25:43 pm
Absolutely correct.

... and why such a high-end scope?  Because Keysight MAKE them.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on April 14, 2016, 01:46:00 am
We had no idea that it would be an issue to give away a higher BW scope.  Next scope month we'll make sure to use lower list price scopes.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Hobby73 on April 14, 2016, 02:27:13 am
If the manufacturer is giving away their equipment, especially high end equipment, that's great.  They have the resources to handle all the shipping logistics. 

My previous comment was to save Dave the cost of shipping.  And according to Dave it is a well-used scope, not a brand new one.  So may not be overkill for a local school.  And don't underestimate today's students ... they are more industrious than you might think!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rx8pilot on April 14, 2016, 03:00:20 am
We had no idea that it would be an issue to give away a higher BW scope.  Next scope month we'll make sure to use lower list price scopes.

For small/medium businesses  - the high-end prizes are the only draw. If the contest only included entry-level scopes, it will primarily be interesting to hobbyists. I wold hope that instead of lowering the bar, the effort would be spent engaging the people that have a commercial requirement and financial capability for the bigger prizes.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Howardlong on April 14, 2016, 06:25:07 am
We had no idea that it would be an issue to give away a higher BW scope.  Next scope month we'll make sure to use lower list price scopes.

For small/medium businesses  - the high-end prizes are the only draw. If the contest only included entry-level scopes, it will primarily be interesting to hobbyists. I wold hope that instead of lowering the bar, the effort would be spent engaging the people that have a commercial requirement and financial capability for the bigger prizes.

That was pretty much the way my opinion has been forming. I have this vision of the prize either being locked away never to be touched except in very rare circumstances or sitting on a bench with an Arduino: in either case it would be a trophy piece where a 1/50th value item would work perfectly well. And as for those $5.8k a piece 6 gig diff probes? I really want to cry!

Having said that Scopemonth must be one of the most, if not -the- most talked about EE promotion there's ever been, and part of that is the sheer value of prizes. Certainly on my various telecons and meetings when I've mentioned it on AOB, it's generally led to meeting overrun while attendees get their mobes out and look it up. In that respect, brand and equipment awareness must be a positive. How that is actually measured in terms of conversion rate or other KPIs I don't know, marketing's not my line of expertise!



Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: diyaudio on April 14, 2016, 06:40:34 am
That is the same discussion as in the Keysigh give away. School need simple cheap scopes , like the Rigol or 100MHz ones. Not a GHz scope,it is overkill.
You don't give a ferrari to driver schools now do you  :)

now a days with all these GHz stuff we exposed to a even a 500Mhz scope looks feels like DC! I do agree send those freshmen Rigol 1052e.

This give away feels more more like Lord of The Rings, who is be next in line to be corrupted by its power.. so many Smeagols.  :-DD       
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on April 14, 2016, 08:20:37 am
We had no idea that it would be an issue to give away a higher BW scope.  Next scope month we'll make sure to use lower list price scopes.

For small/medium businesses  - the high-end prizes are the only draw. If the contest only included entry-level scopes, it will primarily be interesting to hobbyists. I wold hope that instead of lowering the bar, the effort would be spent engaging the people that have a commercial requirement and financial capability for the bigger prizes.

We won't do exclusively low cost scopes, but we haven't worked out details for next year yet.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: bitseeker on April 14, 2016, 10:29:28 am
It seems to me that the methodology that Keysight settled on was a good balance. The buzz was over the fact that high-end equipment was being given away. This works great for publicity and for winners in countries where winning is free. However, for those of us in countries where free is taxed :o, the option to downgrade is a welcome alternative.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Helix70 on April 14, 2016, 01:03:26 pm
We had no idea that it would be an issue to give away a higher BW scope.  Next scope month we'll make sure to use lower list price scopes.

I don't see the problem. If I won a 1Ghz scope and was unable to accept it because of tax (or guilt, fear, complexity), can I not ask Keysight for a cheaper model instead? Maybe win the right to select from a list, like I did with my "buy 2 meters get a third free", i picked from a list up to a certain value, didn't even need to be the same type of meter.

I applaud Keysight, except for excluding Australia from Scope month.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on April 14, 2016, 01:54:02 pm
I applaud Keysight, except for excluding Australia from Scope month.

I would have said: I applaud Keysight, except for not including Australia from Scope month.

It wasn't as if they made the decision to toss out Aussies.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Brumby on April 14, 2016, 01:59:43 pm
We had no idea that it would be an issue to give away a higher BW scope.  Next scope month we'll make sure to use lower list price scopes.

For small/medium businesses  - the high-end prizes are the only draw. If the contest only included entry-level scopes, it will primarily be interesting to hobbyists. I wold hope that instead of lowering the bar, the effort would be spent engaging the people that have a commercial requirement and financial capability for the bigger prizes.

We won't do exclusively low cost scopes, but we haven't worked out details for next year yet.

I would encourage any manufacturer to offer a flagship product in promotions such as these.  It will get the attention of ANYBODY in the market for a similar product - and what's more, it will start people on the path of thinking about one sitting on their bench.  Remember, even in big companies, the desire and decision for such equipment are made by people.  (Unfortunately for the technician, it's rarely the same person.)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: rch on April 14, 2016, 05:40:45 pm
I agree.  Anything less than a 1GHz scope from a firm like Keysight seems a bit unimpressive.   Perhaps working out in advance a clear policy for each country and a clear list of alternative prizes to send the winner would avoid the "upset winner' phenomenon, while still exciting the rest of us who haven't yet won.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: broz on April 15, 2016, 01:58:33 am
We had no idea that it would be an issue to give away a higher BW scope.  Next scope month we'll make sure to use lower list price scopes.
Please don't!!! If I would have been lucky enough to win, I would have done whatever it took to come up with the taxes and shipping so that I could take the high end scope...but maybe that's just me... :-//
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: bitseeker on April 15, 2016, 03:30:18 am
Daniel,

I concur with broz. Not everyone is like those few who made a big fuss over the burden of winning. I'd venture to guess that most folks here would have figured out how to make things work, graciously declined the prize, or simply not entered in the first place.

Just as there will always be naysayers to even the best of intentions, there will be those who don't have the will, experience, nor imagination to cope with a windfall. Hopefully, that doesn't ruin the prospects for another drool-worthy giveaway next year.

rch's point about providing more information about what winning would entail would be helpful. Of course, some people will still moan about how miserable it is to win.  :o
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on April 15, 2016, 03:31:54 am
Feedback noted!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Howardlong on April 15, 2016, 04:51:13 am
Possibly there could be two streams of entry, those working via formally registered companies and the personal entries: realistically speaking, there are very few private users who realistically would benefit from more than 100 or 200MHz of bandwidth.

While it's true that speeds are continually increasing, a 500MHz scope is still a serious workhorse in any lab I've been in (except perhaps in the ones frequented by a well known LeCroy aficionado!). Easily 90% of the stuff I do could be done on the Rigol MSO1074Z I use for field work, it decodes and triggers on 50MHz SPI busses well enough for example, but I much prefer the UIs and screens on the MSO3054A and/or MSO7104B that are already set up on the bench. It is just those small minority if times where I need anything more when probing high-speed busses for signal integrity, and for that it's the big iron 54121T 20GHz sampling scope. While it would be nice to have a modern real time 20GHz scope, there are many other things ahead of that purchase!
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: IconicPCB on April 15, 2016, 07:44:04 am
For next years effort I nominate myself as the model winner.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ez24 on April 15, 2016, 08:02:50 am
I believe people are getting things mixed up.  There are TWO scope contests going on now, and both are for Keysight scopes (different models)

Both are going to announce winners this weekend.

This topic is about Dave's drawing.

Dave is having his own drawing and Keysight is having their own Facebook contest.
I still would like to see a chickenshit drawing and it would be fair.

I believe Dave's is a 6k used (by him) scope and Keysight's scope is around the price of an airplane.

Different animals.  But funny anyway.  I think Dave's will be a fair drawing, whereas Keysight's will not be (sorry Carlos).  But I learned a lot about FB contests.

Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Howardlong on April 15, 2016, 08:22:50 am
I don't think anyone's mixed up, the thread just morphed a little.
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Kjelt on April 16, 2016, 09:02:42 am
Does anyone have the correct link, this one shows off- air  :-//
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eev-blog (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eev-blog)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: SnoopKatt on April 16, 2016, 09:04:36 am
Does anyone have the correct link, this one shows off- air  :-//
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eev-blog (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eev-blog)
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/3066349 (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/3066349)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Kjelt on April 16, 2016, 09:05:35 am
Thanks, good luck to all of you participating  :-+
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: ade on April 16, 2016, 09:09:10 am
YouTube link now live:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M18InBKPBVA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M18InBKPBVA)
Title: Re: How Should The EEVblog Giveaway be Run?
Post by: Kjelt on April 16, 2016, 09:34:54 am
Congratulations to all the winners, I am back to bed   :=\