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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2020, 11:31:38 pm »
Love Like it or hate it, Windows is pretty industry standard for this type of thing right now. For trying to get things certified for secret+ government labs, etc., Windows is a decent route. I'm sure there are exceptions.

We also will periodically put out upgrades as Microsoft revs the OS, and the Windows instance is (I believe) compatible with standard windows updates.

For the John Kenny interview, like @jmw mentioned, that was mostly focused on the embedded version of Windows that went end-of-life. We swapped over to Linux for a number of products.
 

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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2020, 02:55:43 am »
Love Like it or hate it, Windows is pretty industry standard for this type of thing right now.
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So, that would be the "hate it" option.

I won't debate the merits of running windows or not.  That debate has already been run a thousand times.  Only letting you know you have one less customer for the MXR.

Thanks for the clarification on windows vs. windows ce from the interview.
 

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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2020, 04:10:05 am »
I absolutely loathe Windows 10, it has been the worst and most user-hostile software experience I have ever encountered and don't think I could bring myself to buy an instrument that ran on it, although if I won one I don't think I'd turn it down.

I wonder if this thing is subject to the same constant stream of updates nightmare that one gets with standard PCs? Imagine your $$$ oscilloscope being hijacked for an hour for an update right in the middle of trying to take some measurements. Or having to wait for it to update before you can use it. I finally dumped the Win10 VM I had because every time I loaded it up I'd have to wait for it to update, it was useless.
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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2020, 01:00:56 pm »
Setting up W10 so it won't force-reboot is trivial with Education/Enterprise versions, and slightly more involved with Pro. I really don't get the hate. I'd even argue the default settings to auto-reboot in consumer versions are a good thing, since consumers are really awful at installing updates.
 

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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2020, 05:52:54 pm »
Can we please not make this into another OS thread? We know you like the turd sandwich and hate the douche or vice versa. Everyone gets their panties in a twist and nothing changes, so let's just omit the exercise and get to the being grumpy stage without all the hassle.
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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2020, 06:35:21 pm »
I'm not going to comment on country stuff other than we work with our legal teams to try to include as many countries + people as possible.
Did you work with your legal team when decided that coutry list in entry form will include non-eligible countries as well? Will you send spam emails to everybody who entered or only to those who are from eligible countries?

[edit] Notification e-mail instead of telling me that I made mistake and Latvia is not in the list, says: "Please click the button below to confirm your email address and lock in your entry".  :wtf:
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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2020, 05:56:25 am »
I'd even argue the default settings to auto-reboot in consumer versions are a good thing, since consumers are really awful at installing updates.

It's 100% the user's responsibility to manage their devices. The customer is *always* right and as the end user I demand *complete* control over what is installed/updated/changed and precisely when, this is not negotiable.

People are notoriously awful at doing all sorts of things but it's not acceptable to go around forcing one's will on everyone else to save them from themselves, it is up to each individual to manage their own life and deal with whatever consequences come from that.
 

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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2020, 07:08:35 pm »
Love Like it or hate it, Windows is pretty industry standard for this type of thing right now. For trying to get things certified for secret+ government labs, etc., Windows is a decent route. I'm sure there are exceptions.

We also will periodically put out upgrades as Microsoft revs the OS, and the Windows instance is (I believe) compatible with standard windows updates.

For the John Kenny interview, like @jmw mentioned, that was mostly focused on the embedded version of Windows that went end-of-life. We swapped over to Linux for a number of products.

Linux is increasing a lot between the professionals, please, pay attention to LINUX.  Thank you ;)
 
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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2020, 06:26:57 pm »
Very schmick 'scope!  I entered-- who knows!  Maybe I will win (this time)!
 

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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2020, 08:19:54 pm »
Love Like it or hate it, Windows is pretty industry standard for this type of thing right now. For trying to get things certified for secret+ government labs, etc., Windows is a decent route. I'm sure there are exceptions.

We also will periodically put out upgrades as Microsoft revs the OS, and the Windows instance is (I believe) compatible with standard windows updates.

For the John Kenny interview, like @jmw mentioned, that was mostly focused on the embedded version of Windows that went end-of-life. We swapped over to Linux for a number of products.

Linux is increasing a lot between the professionals, please, pay attention to LINUX.  Thank you ;)
I would echo that Keysight should pay more attention to the importance of Linux in the hardware development community.

While Linux would be great, even an option to NOT have windows would be acceptable.  Although there are a lot of other issues with Tek's new MSO 5-series, one thing I think they got right is that windows is optional.  Don't like it or need it on a piece of TE?  Don't pay for it.  Sounds right to me.
 
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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2020, 09:27:23 pm »
I would echo that Keysight should pay more attention to the importance of Linux in the hardware development community.

While Linux would be great, even an option to NOT have windows would be acceptable.  Although there are a lot of other issues with Tek's new MSO 5-series, one thing I think they got right is that windows is optional.  Don't like it or need it on a piece of TE?  Don't pay for it.  Sounds right to me.

How do they do that? Do they have versions of the software that runs on the gear for other operating systems? Personally I think Windows has no business being on a piece of test equipment but whatever, as long as it's behind the scenes it could be tolerable. I just don't like it when gear just feels like a desktop PC in a fancy package and boots up to a desktop.
 

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Re: Keysight 8 Channel MXR Oscilloscope Giveaway
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2020, 10:12:13 pm »
I would echo that Keysight should pay more attention to the importance of Linux in the hardware development community.

While Linux would be great, even an option to NOT have windows would be acceptable.  Although there are a lot of other issues with Tek's new MSO 5-series, one thing I think they got right is that windows is optional.  Don't like it or need it on a piece of TE?  Don't pay for it.  Sounds right to me.

How do they do that? Do they have versions of the software that runs on the gear for other operating systems? Personally I think Windows has no business being on a piece of test equipment but whatever, as long as it's behind the scenes it could be tolerable. I just don't like it when gear just feels like a desktop PC in a fancy package and boots up to a desktop.
They talk about it a little here:

  https://www.tek.com/blog/oscilloscope-operating-system-have-it-your-way-5-series-mso

Basically, you buy an SSD from them that has windows 10 on it and the scope boots from the SSD when it detects it.  Otherwise, it boots its "native embedded" OS.  They're very cryptic about exactly what the native OS is.  My guess is that it's probably VxWorks, which they've used in their other scope products, but for all I know it could be winCE or something else.

This is a really smart approach to the issue, IMO.  Keysight has already adopted Linux on their latest low-end scopes as their embedded OS.  It shouldn't be out of the question to consider it for OS flexibility on their higher end scopes.


UPDATE:  Clicking through to one of the sites referenced in that Tek blog posting says their Series 5 embedded OS *is* Linux.  So there, it's been done.

  https://www.eenewspower.com/news/oscilloscope-offers-choice-operating-systems
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