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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2016, 09:48:13 pm »
FWIW, I have a small/growing business and won a 6000x 6Ghz scope. In a practical sense, I did not have the financial capability to buy a scope like this without ignoring a lot of other financial challenges. It has put me on an upward path to designs that were otherwise out of my reach. A scope is such a central part of design and validation that it influences greatly the products I choose to design. The win has,  as expected, been a turning point for my ambitious business. Now that my design capacity has improved and has lots of room to grow, I have spent the money on a new lab and preparing to hire someone.

Kind of awesome.

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2016, 10:11:30 pm »
FWIW, I have a small/growing business and won a 6000x 6Ghz scope. In a practical sense, I did not have the financial capability to buy a scope like this without ignoring a lot of other financial challenges. It has put me on an upward path to designs that were otherwise out of my reach. A scope is such a central part of design and validation that it influences greatly the products I choose to design. The win has,  as expected, been a turning point for my ambitious business. Now that my design capacity has improved and has lots of room to grow, I have spent the money on a new lab and preparing to hire someone.

Good for you :) (although I'd prefer businesses paying for stuff, this is a for profit activity, additionally companies have a lot of tax and accounting tricks anyway, expenses, deductions, none of this available to a hobbyist, other companies sales people more likely to reply to emails etc - imagine me as a hobbyist and I would like to buy Qty 5 of some Broadcom part and get their NDA-ed datasheet :), not a good example because they probably wouldn't talk to you as a small business either, but you get the point ).

The point is how you winning 6000X in a random contest convinces me to raise Purchase Request at work to buy Keysight stuff - I think it's a non sequitur.

I see some marketing in giving scopes away to video bloggers, might be good for brand visibility, but still not extremely convincing in the end when it comes to spending thousands of pounds.
 

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2016, 11:55:41 pm »
Keysight built a business on professional users. While some hobbyists and semi-pro customers buy Keysight products, my guess is that they are barely a blip in the annual report. My business has done giveaways with excellent long term benefit. It generates awareness and positive buzz with commercial customers that have no issue with the price. Just because its a business does not mean they buy whatever they want by just generating a magic PO. Capital equipment purchasing decisions are a critical component of a live or die analysis. Obviously some big businesses have a huge budget - most have to think real hard about buying a $20-$50k scope.

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2016, 02:47:14 am »
5) It makes no sense to offer these devices to companies: companies should purchase them!

On this point, I might suggest there is real value.

Often one of the main issues for a manufacturer/distributor/supplier is getting a foot in the door.  If you have someone who's a Tek fanboy in a place of influence on purchasing, then you have to get past them with a product before the hands-on crew can check it out in the workplace and then provide their input into the purchasing process.

Putting a freebie in their hands has the potential to encourage purchase of further units.
 

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2016, 03:14:55 am »
Putting a freebie in their hands has the potential to encourage purchase of further units.

That is exactly what I do in my own business. There are barriers beyond the price tag to get new business from a company that uses a competitive product. I regularly do freebies and demo's to try to get a company to latch on to what I am trying to sell them. Once they have a few in operation - the internal users figure out a way to get the purchasing people to buy more - often dozens at a time. I cam referring to specialized industrial equipment.
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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2016, 05:38:04 am »
I am referring to specialized industrial equipment.

Such as ?
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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2016, 05:46:26 am »
I make products for motion picture camera systems. Rather small audience at the high end of the market.

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2016, 06:37:18 am »
I make products for motion picture camera systems. Rather small audience at the high end of the market.

(He also has the gear to develop induction heating solutions - so he's looking to move onto bigger and better products!)
 
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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2016, 08:21:55 am »
Putting a freebie in their hands has the potential to encourage purchase of further units.

Again, how giving one random guy/small business a scope once a year in a contest is going to encourage the other 99.999999% of businesses around the world (that didn't win) to buy Keysight (so they can get the foot in the door).

From business point of view it doesn't matter at all - I cannot build my business plan on one to a million chance of winning a scope. Much more likely I would have to pay for one so then the price and features matter.
 

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2016, 09:54:28 am »
Putting a freebie in their hands has the potential to encourage purchase of further units.

Again, how giving one random guy/small business a scope once a year in a contest is going to encourage the other 99.999999% of businesses around the world (that didn't win) to buy Keysight.

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From business point of view it doesn't matter at all - I cannot build my business plan on one to a million chance of winning a scope. Much more likely I would have to pay for one so then the price and features matter.
From YOUR perspective, you are absolutely correct - but that's not the point.  The point is that WHEN you get around to purchasing a scope, you are more likely to go for a Keysight if you have a few extra positive 'vibes' around.  It's not a guarantee - but the chances will be greater.  If Keysight improves their chances across a few industries, they are going to make more sales.
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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2016, 10:17:57 am »
...if you have a few extra positive 'vibes' around...

You have to admit that's not very convincing :) Positive vibes might work on some people buying iPhones, but not an order of magnitude more expensive specialist gear.

In the end what really matters is price, features and quality. Tek can give even more MDOs to video bloggers and I still wouldn't buy one even if I had truck loads of money from VCs.

On the other hand I never requested samples from Linear, their parts are expensive, but I love to use them if I can (quality, excellent documentation including Jim Williams' app notes).
 

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2016, 11:23:36 am »
...if you have a few extra positive 'vibes' around...

You have to admit that's not very convincing :) Positive vibes might work on some people buying iPhones, but not an order of magnitude more expensive specialist gear.

In the end what really matters is price, features and quality. Tek can give even more MDOs to video bloggers and I still wouldn't buy one even if I had truck loads of money from VCs.

On the other hand I never requested samples from Linear, their parts are expensive, but I love to use them if I can (quality, excellent documentation including Jim Williams' app notes).

I like both my Tek MDO and my Agilent MSOX - they each serve their own niche on my desk - and gets about equal usage. Yes the MDO UI is slow - but there are some nice features on the MDO that my Agilent does not have.
 

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2016, 12:45:12 pm »
...if you have a few extra positive 'vibes' around...

You have to admit that's not very convincing :) Positive vibes might work on some people buying iPhones, but not an order of magnitude more expensive specialist gear.

This is not going to be a demonstrable effect.  It is more a statistical influence.

The single fact I can offer is that these prizes are not given for no reason.

Perhaps you would be more comfortable with the simple idea that these giveaways
 - raise the profile of the Keysight brand
 - get interested parties to look at the products on offer
 - have those parties imagine having a Keysight scope on their bench and, thus add a little desire.  A desire which some people will be in a position to fulfill.
 

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2016, 01:06:33 pm »
This is not going to be a demonstrable effect.  It is more a statistical influence.

The single fact I can offer is that these prizes are not given for no reason.

Perhaps you would be more comfortable with the simple idea that these giveaways
 - raise the profile of the Keysight brand
 - get interested parties to look at the products on offer
 - have those parties imagine having a Keysight scope on their bench and, thus add a little desire.  A desire which some people will be in a position to fulfill.

I think the whole vibes thing and "little desire" is typical modern marketing of consumer products. In Keysight's case this would mean students and hobbyists at best, not their serious volume business customers.

Anyway, I suspect this is a clear out before MegaZoom V. Doesn't cost them much, creates some stir and displays the brand.  Also recently, for example, you can get DSOX2002A for free if you buy B2901A SMU (the price for the SMU alone is the same):
http://uk.farnell.com/keysight-technologies/b2901a-dsox2002a/source-measure-unit-200v-10a-31/dp/2580169
 

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2016, 11:19:31 pm »
Hi Everyone,

I was travelling last week so I wasn't able to get in on the conversation sooner.

Here's some non-legally-binding clarifications:
1. You get one entry before Cyberweek, then can get one additional entry per day during Cyberweek.
2. You have to have a valid business address to win, this is related to customs and fulfillment from our end. Start a C-Corp if you win, or something like that if you really want it.
3. These aren't "left over" stocking units. We're giving away new units as a thank-you to the community as a whole. From a marketing perspective it's not so bad for us either in the big picture.
4. Regional exclusions - these are nearly exclusively a  local rules & laws thing. Brumby, we're working very hard to get Australia included in Scope Month 2017, hang in there.
5. Please don't message me asking to get your country included, we're doing all that we can to include as many people as possible. If you're concerned that your local rules and regs are too stringent on this type of thing, work with your local government to effect change!  :-+
6. Taxes - this hasn't come up yet, but if your region makes you pay taxes on winnings then you owe taxes on the winnings. Get a tax-professional to help you if you win and are concerned about it.

w.r.t. the Scope Month winners, a few have sadly sold their winnings but there are a lot of really happy users out there that kept them!

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2016, 12:09:49 am »
4. Regional exclusions - these are nearly exclusively a  local rules & laws thing. Brumby, we're working very hard to get Australia included in Scope Month 2017, hang in there.
Belgium and The Netherlands are excluded as well but countries like France and Germany are not. I'd like to take a shot at the MSOS404A even if I have to promise not to sell it :box:
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w.r.t. the Scope Month winners, a few have sadly sold their winnings but there are a lot of really happy users out there that kept them!
How is that sad? The winners got money to buy something else and the scopes found a good home to lead a most useful life.
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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2016, 08:15:04 am »
4. Regional exclusions - these are nearly exclusively a  local rules & laws thing. Brumby, we're working very hard to get Australia included in Scope Month 2017, hang in there.

On behalf of all Aussies.....

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2016, 08:25:02 pm »
carlos did!

At least 180 countries out of 200 are not listed. No need to post about all of those...

Yes, but Portugal is part of the EUROPEAN UNION and as such it gives a really bad light to Keysight's policy if they treat member States in different manners.

They do the same with the USA. I consider it unacceptable.

And this is why I post about it.

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yes but different states have a different legislation in such matters.. and of course keysight's market is different in different EU countries
 

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2016, 09:14:38 pm »
Here's some non-legally-binding clarifications:
1. You get one entry before Cyberweek, then can get one additional entry per day during Cyberweek.

Thanks for the non-legally-binding clarifications, Daniel. I got my pre-week entry in. Glad to hear the first hints of a Scope Month 2017. :-+
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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2016, 03:50:43 am »
 

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2016, 03:56:19 am »
Well, well. Thank you very much, ProBang2. :clap:
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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2016, 11:14:25 pm »
We have the live streams set up in YouTube for the giveaway, FYI. You can set up a reminder inside YouTube.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/KeysightOscilloscope
 
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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2016, 11:21:32 am »
Always nice to put a face to a name, Daniel makes an appearance.

 

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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2016, 09:41:18 am »
...it's only for one week and a different scope is given away each day, as follows:

- Nov 28, 2016: 200 MHz 2000 X-Series oscilloscope (MSOX2024A)
- Nov 29, 2016: 500 MHz 3000T X-Series oscilloscope (MSOX3054T)
- Nov 30, 2016: 1 GHz 4000 X-Series oscilloscope (MSOX4104A)
- Dec 1, 2016: 2.5 GHz 6000 X-Series oscilloscope (MSOX6004A)
- Dec 2, 2016: 4 GHz S-Series oscilloscope (MSOS404A)

Do you have to register only once or each of these days?
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Re: Keysight giving scopes away again
« Reply #49 on: November 28, 2016, 04:16:32 am »
You get 1 entry in the pre-cyberweek period, and 1 entry per day during Cyberweek. You can also check the FAQs if you have any other questions.  Best of luck!
 
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