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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2023, 05:37:25 pm »
Cooking rice is more of an art than science.  For one, more rice you cook, ratio of rice:water goes down.  For two, kind and age of rice affects the ratio changes.  Two of my rice cookers require different amount of water, too.

OT:  My girlfriend has a 1/2 cup (HALF CUP) rice cooker.  I never seen such thing existed!
 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2023, 09:09:31 pm »
Cooking rice is more of an art than science.  For one, more rice you cook, ratio of rice:water goes down.  For two, kind and age of rice affects the ratio changes.  Two of my rice cookers require different amount of water, too.

OT:  My girlfriend has a 1/2 cup (HALF CUP) rice cooker.  I never seen such thing existed!
If it were art, then a human would be able to beat an inexpensive fuzzy logic rice cooker. Those things give great results every time with varying types and ages of rice and people being sloppy about adding the exact amounts of water and rice. Humans don't come close.


 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2023, 07:08:45 am »
If it were art, then a human would be able to beat an inexpensive fuzzy logic rice cooker. Those things give great results every time with varying types and ages of rice and people being sloppy about adding the exact amounts of water and rice. Humans don't come close.

I can easily cook pretty good rice using simple ordinary pot and standard American electric stove.  I use rice cooker because I am lazy and I don't want to keep watch over it.  Yes, they do pretty good job every time.  What I was talking about was, rice and water is not a simple ratio.  When cooking double the amount of rice; for example, you don't double amount of water.  Instead, use little less water than double.  I don't know why this happens.  It just works for me.
 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2023, 03:25:56 pm »
What I was talking about was, rice and water is not a simple ratio.  When cooking double the amount of rice; for example, you don't double amount of water.  Instead, use little less water than double.  I don't know why this happens.  It just works for me.

There is no reason in chemistry why this should be, so perhaps the reason might be in physics? For example, some water may be lost as steam from the pot by evaporation, and that amount may not be proportional to the amount of rice in the pot?
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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2023, 05:52:12 pm »
There is no reason in chemistry why this should be, so perhaps the reason might be in physics? For example, some water maybe lost as steam from the pot by evaporation, and that amount may not be proportional to the amount of rice in the pot?

Indeed the most simple type of rice cooker uses evaporation and accompanying temperature rise as a timer.  When all water evaporates away temperature rises above the boiling point, then it will shut itself off.  The proportion thing is the same when cooking by regular pots though.  I just don't know why it works this way.
 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2023, 06:04:34 pm »
There is no reason in chemistry why this should be, so perhaps the reason might be in physics? For example, some water maybe lost as steam from the pot by evaporation, and that amount may not be proportional to the amount of rice in the pot?
The chemistry of rice cooking must be quite interesting. If you let a good fuzzy logic rice cooker run its normal program with good quality rice you get very tasty result. If you run the fast program most cookers have, you get rice in about 1/2 to 2/3 of the time, but it can be pretty tasteless. The texture is usually fine, but its tasteless. I don't know what they do to speed up cooking, or why this gives a tasteless result, but I do wonder.
 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2023, 07:33:22 pm »
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Indeed the most simple type of rice cooker uses evaporation and accompanying temperature rise as a timer.

Perhaps related, I have an egg cooker where you load it up with eggs, spill some water into the tray and leave it to do the biz. The amount of water determines whether the eggs are soft or hard boiled. Seems pretty simple, but you put less water in for more eggs where I'd expect to put more water in. It's non-intuitive to me, and perhaps the business with double the rice with less than double the water is similar.
 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2023, 07:29:09 am »
It would be interesting if we could put thermocouples and take some measurements.  After all, this IS electronics forum....
 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2023, 07:01:17 am »
Let the water surface be 5-7 mm higher than that of rice, depending on your hope that it is hard or soft. I have decades of experience in cooking rice.

Does that work when there's 1cm of rice in the pan and when there's 5cm of rice in the pan?

Nope. Basic math says it has to be proportional.
 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2023, 07:33:57 am »
I didn't even know what normal rice is for decades, nearly all supermarket rice here is 8 min ready rice (not parboiled, the process is way more involved). It only absorbs a limited amount of water through the preprocessing so just drowning it doesn't really matter.
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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2023, 07:38:54 am »
I do 2:1 by volume water to well-rinsed rice with a pinch of salt, bring to a boil, stir, then cover and place on lowest simmer for 18 minutes (don't uncover).  After that, the burner is turned off and let sit to steam for another 5 minutes before removing lid.  For fried rice, a little less water is better.  But what completely transformed my rice game was learning that the higher quality Chinese restaurants use a 2:1 ratio of long grain white to jasmine.  I cannot imagine cooking rice with anything else now.

I have a good panda chicken recipe if anyone wants it, but you will need a wok, toasted sesame oil, light soy sauce, cooking wine, oyster sauce, ginger, garlic, better than bouillon, light brown sugar, fresh mushrooms, zucchini, corn starch and baking soda. But rather than detailing that here right now, I will instead share the top secret rarely written about way to make chicken tender and juicy. Rinse the chicken with water and add a little baking soda in the marinade.  It keeps the meat from shrinking during the cooking process by interfering with the proteins bonding together and that keeps the moisture in.

For those chasing down the perfect Chinese recipe (nothing against Japanese), one thing I didn't realize until recently was that kikkoman is japanese.  Switching to lachoy made a huge difference.
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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2023, 09:30:17 am »
I use lots of water and throw it in a strainer when the rice is cooked.  :)

Works with all types of rice.
 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2023, 10:05:39 am »
I use lots of water and throw it in a strainer when the rice is cooked.  :)

Works with all types of rice.

I used to cook rice that way. The downside is that you lose all of the nutrients (and flavor) dissolved in the cooking water when you put the rice in the strainer.
 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2023, 11:14:47 pm »
1 mug rice, 1.25 mug water, hard boil 4 minutes, soft boil 4 minutes, let stand 12 minutes.

Those were the exact instructions on a small piece of paper I found in a bag of rice I got 30 years ago from the local chinese supermarket. I've used them ever since with great success.

Of course, if you want fancy rice, wash your rice very well, until the water is completely clear then let stand in the water for 10 minutes. Drain well. Get a cinnamon stick broken in half, 6 whole cloves, and 2 tablespoons ghee. Fry the spices in the ghee for a minute or two. Add the rice to the ghee spice mix, stir well until the rice is coated. Use vegetable stock instead of plain water. Cook using the above instructions. Fluff with a fork once done.
 
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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2023, 06:23:27 am »
A billion or two Asians have come up with a far simpler method that's been carefully tuned over the course of centuries if not millennia:

  • Put rice in pot.
  • Add water to depth of first knuckle of finger.

This.  You may need to vary the depth of the water slightly if you are using "new crop" vs. older rice.

(New rice needs less water)
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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2023, 06:35:13 am »
I’ve always gone 1:2 (rice to water) up to the first cup of rice, then every additional cup of rice is 1:1.

So you want 1/2 a cup of rice, 1 cup of water.
1 cup of rice, 2 cups of water.

But…

2 cups of rice, add 3 cups of water.
3 cups of rice, 4 cups of water  :)

Has always worked for me so far and means all the water has boiled off (but not dry) by the time the rice is ready  :)
 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2023, 10:10:13 pm »
A measuring jug is also essential when cooking rice, as it is always measured by volume rather than weight. https://jardindescitations.com/citations/P1rx4CfzuyO
 

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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2024, 12:59:36 am »
The amount of water varies by two factors: the exact variety of rice, and how dry or damp you want the finished product. The most common rice around here is long grain white coming from Puerto Rico. The manufacturer says 2-cups of water to 1-cup of rice. That works for me. The other variable is the container you cook the rice in. I'm using a glass Visions 3-qt pot, and a wooden spoon to stir it (because metal tools would scratch the glass surface).
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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2024, 01:50:13 am »
My go-to rice varieties are Basmati rice from India, and Jasmine rice from Thailand. Both of those work fine with my ratio at the top of the thread. The rice is nice and fluffy, with no residual moisture, but still with a firm texture (neither soggy nor squishy).

I'm using a glass Visions 3-qt pot, and a wooden spoon to stir it (because metal tools would scratch the glass surface).

Stir it? I put rice and water in the pot with salt to taste, add a knob of butter, bring to the boil, and simmer for 15 minutes at lowest heat with the lid on. I don't touch the rice until the time is up.
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Re: Cooking rice (rice to water ratio by weight)
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2024, 03:02:55 am »
A while back we got an "Instant Pot" automatic pressure cooker.  I don't do much of anything with it except make rice and hard boiled eggs.

It excels at both those tasks.

For rice, the recipe is:

  - equal parts (by volume) of rice and water
  - rinse the rice thoroughly
  - put the wet rinsed rice in the cooker then the water
  - close the cooker up and press the "rice" button

It turns out that when I weighed the rice and water I generally cook (2 cups each), the rice and the water weigh pretty close to the same (460g rice, 450g water).  So I'd think equal parts by weight should work well too.

The Instant Pot cost less than the rice cookers I was looking at to replace my ancient, crappy rice cooker that I lived with (but hated) for probably 20 years.  So I'm pretty happy with the Instant Pot even though I don't use it for any of the supposedly magnificent meals it's supposed to be able to make.

In case anyone cares, for hard boiled eggs:

  - put 1/2 cup water in the cooker
  - put the wire rack in place set up to 6 eggs on the rack
  - close the cooker up and turn on the pressure cook mode for 6 or 7 minutes depending on how done you want the eggs

They turn out perfect every time - the shells practically fall off after cracking.

 


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