A new oscilloscope with wifi/lan/usb on indiegogo.com

[tggzzz]

Traditional scope is piece of hardware that sits on my desk. It can optionally  connect to PC.

Simply being new, does not make it good or useful.

We can think html5scope = usb oscilloscope + wifi+ html5

Those are features. Nobody cares about features. People care about benefits, so tell us how we would benefit from those features. Note: that implies a comparison with other ways we can achieve our objectives.

[ataradov]

Maybe someone sometimes like to Work on a tablet.
Maybe someone like Wifi and USB oscilloscope.

May be, or may be not. That's called market research, and you do it before designing a product. Right now you have designed a product and asking us to help you with selling it to a non-existing audience.

Html5scope is only a product,no the Great ambition to replace of other oscilloscope. no Great ambition to occupy all the market or most of the market.

And that's shows.

[ataradov]

If some one has contributed,But the campaign is unsuccessful at the end.
How to use the money ?

You don't. That's the point. Crowd funding is designed (ideally) so you could use the economy of scale, it is not a shop or preorder system.

If you can make single quantities for $300 already, why not just put a "buy" button on your site and don't make people wait 30 days?

[Bassman59]

A-A is often found in usb product.

No, it's not.  I have never seen a device that is supposed to use an A-A cable.  The mere existence of these cables is a mystery to me.  I have never seen one in person, and I can not think of any application that should use one.

The local computer/electronics shop carries A-A cables (not the extension type), and I can't imagine that they've ever sold any, as there is literally no reason for the cables to exist. Next time I am in, I will ask if any ever sold.

[c4757p]

Traditional scope is piece of hardware that sits on my desk. It can optionally  connect to PC.

Simply being new, does not make it good or useful.

We can think html5scope = usb oscilloscope + wifi+ html5

Those are features. Nobody cares about features. People care about benefits, so tell us how we would benefit from those features. Note: that implies a comparison with other ways we can achieve our objectives.

Dunno, that can lead to some terribly inscrutable kickfartery business crap sometimes. MumbleMumble will revolutionize your mumble by leveraging mumble to obfuscate mumbled mumbles! With MumbleMumble you can mumble your mumble while you mumble your mumble!

Yeah, but what is it? Half of these you can't even tell what the product is because they think it's so unique as to be practically ineffable. At least this dude is direct in stating what it is. I'll take that any day over a salesman who tries to tell me all about how it'll change my life.

I still don't want the product, but at least now I know that I don't want it...

(and f_e is right, it has potential. I can see quite a few people being interested in it if it were a bit more polished.)

[Mr.B]

A-A is often found in usb product.

No, it's not.  I have never seen a device that is supposed to use an A-A cable.  The mere existence of these cables is a mystery to me.  I have never seen one in person, and I can not think of any application that should use one.

The local computer/electronics shop carries A-A cables (not the extension type), and I can't imagine that they've ever sold any, as there is literally no reason for the cables to exist. Next time I am in, I will ask if any ever sold.

I have encountered devices with this requirement once.
A couple of years ago we had a bunch of Huawei cellular desk phones that required USB A-A cable to flash firmware.
It was so painful to try to source a cable that I ended up making my own.
The firmware was so buggy we binned all of them in the end.
Huawei... Made in China...

[miguelvp]

Myself I think html 5 is an interesting prospect, although it depends what kind of processor drives it since it would be essentially a web server. Maybe a Cyclone/SoC from Altera might be up to the task but then you would be able to drive the screen directly.

The problems I see with this device are:

1) poor specs to make it competitive at that price.
2) flexible funding, because if you don't reach your goal you might decide not to refund the money. But I guess backers can pull the funds until the last minute, not sure since I never did back an indigogo project.

[ataradov]

If regular campaign is not successful IGG will not charge any money in a first place, so you won't have to refund anything.

[tggzzz]

Traditional scope is piece of hardware that sits on my desk. It can optionally  connect to PC.

Simply being new, does not make it good or useful.

We can think html5scope = usb oscilloscope + wifi+ html5

Those are features. Nobody cares about features. People care about benefits, so tell us how we would benefit from those features. Note: that implies a comparison with other ways we can achieve our objectives.

Dunno, that can lead to some terribly inscrutable kickfartery business crap sometimes. MumbleMumble will revolutionize your mumble by leveraging mumble to obfuscate mumbled mumbles! With MumbleMumble you can mumble your mumble while you mumble your mumble!

Easily detected... All you have to do is invert the statement; if it is ridiculous then the original statement was content-free motherhood and apple pie.

[Bud]

Html5scope has WiFi/Lan/USB interface and it can works on smart phone,tablet and PC.
It is a new thing.

My friend, have you ever done troubleshooting electronics on the bench using a scope? No one gives shit for wifi and stuff when spending hours troubleshooting or prototyping. You really think people will be sitting with their phones and poking fingers in damn phone screen? Leave tablets and phones to teenagers, focus on usability of your product on the bench, this is where this type of equipment is used the most.

[Galenbo]

Maybe someone sometimes like to Work on a tablet.

Maybe someone like Wifi and USB oscilloscope.

Html5scope is only a product,no the Great ambition to replace of other oscilloscope. no Great ambition to occupy all the market or most of the market.

Why are you doing that indiegogo thing? It's for loosing time and money to scam artists.
Stop making your product ridiculous by scamming money for digital pictures or network cables.

I saw your video, it looks like your product is working.
Send it to someone for a review, the guy has to be like this:

-  is a professional daily/weekly scope user.
-  knows absolutely nothing about your product, does not know you well, gets only product+manual, no explanation or extra info.
-  speeks the same language as the customers you want.

Let him test it, let him make remarks, recommendations, comparisons.
Back tot the table to do some adjustments, and now look for a distributor/partner.

If you do not want a distributor/partner, sell it yourself. Make a site, Ebay, Aliexpress, Youtube movies, test reports, go.

[fubar.gr]

I played around with the demo found here: http://www.html5scope.com/1/

But how do I set the trigger voltage level?

[ataradov]

I had the same problem. I think the trigger is the arrow on the right, but it simply does not work.

And the UI is like a being 747 console. It mist be simplified.

[tggzzz]

And the UI is like a being 747 console. It mist be simplified.

And get the units right! (KHz, uS)

Makes me think, however unjustly, that the designer has more knowledge and interest in web technologies than digitisers.

[janoc]

I tried to play with the demo too, but this feels to me like an output from a programmer that has never seen or used a real scope.

• The triggers don't work
• How does one set a trigger on the digital signal?
• Why only dot mode? At least I haven't found the line mode display which is way more common
• Button labels - jeeze, this really requires imagination to find that you must press "Knob" to get both A and B channel levels and the time base settings
• Why does longer time base turn my screen into a narrow slice instead of showing me more of the signal?
• What are those T50, T80, etc. buttons for?
• How do cursors work? I can see them moving around, but nothing is being measured

Too many issues to list, really.

If you want to see how a usable (not great, but usable) PC scope interface should look like, download the demo of the Bitscope software. And for logic analyzers have a look at the Saleae software (also a free download with a demo mode).

This thing is pretty much useless, IMO, even if the hardware was great.

[Monkeh]

So you've created your own forum where you ask yourself questions instead of just answering here..

[ataradov]

Except that there is absolutely no real interest for this thing. And who wants to spend time and expose email address to some forum with 1 post?

[Monkeh]

So you've created your own forum where you ask yourself questions instead of just answering here..

You have not a homepage yet?

I'm sorry? What does whether or not I have a website have to do with anything?

[ataradov]

To tell other people a forum ,is there any wrong / mistake ? 

Actually, yes, there is. You are starting to turn this topic into an ad for your site. And the problem here is that no one is interested in a product in a first place. And by placing your answers there, you are basically cutting off any future conversation. It is very naive to think that anyone will want to join that forum.

Ad hominem attacks on people here don't help either.

[Monkeh]

So you've created your own forum where you ask yourself questions instead of just answering here..

You have not a homepage yet?

I'm sorry? What does whether or not I have a website have to do with anything?

To tell other people a forum ,is there any wrong / mistake ?

You decided to create a forum and post there to answer questions asked here. The only reason I can see to do that is to control the discussion. Which normally means to censor anyone who isn't amazingly positive.

[ataradov]

Wow. You are now just spamming us? Nice approach. This is a really fun thread. I'm sticking here just to observe how cultural differences can absolutely kill any product. And this one did not have much going for it in a first place.

PS: I see you also registered two different users to ask and answer questions. Do you think that people who buy test equipment are dumb?

[ataradov]

You already showed us that you can't have an open conversion. Monkeh is right, you want to control conversation, and that's just not going to happen.

[miguelvp]

50 Mhz with 100Msps? There is no way!

Also it's very overpriced since people can get this for way less:
http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?Prod=ANALOG-DISCOVERY

Video review from Dave:

[janoc]

http://www.html5scope.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2

Sooo, I am supposed to go to an obscure forum to actually discover how to use the UI of your device. Nice touch! That will certainly sell like hot cakes

I suggest that you google terms like "UI discoverability" and "affordances". And also try to actually use a real scope first - engineers are used to a certain mental workflow when using test instruments. You can certainly label timebase "Knob" and make it look like a Breitling watch, it will work - at least in the technical sense.

However, it is not intuitive and it will be difficult and frustrating to use, especially for a control that is used very often. No scope has a combined timebase and input level control because those things are conceptually completely different. And it is certainly not labeled "Knob". That's like calling a control "Button" - that label is supposed to to be informative, not only a decoration to fill the empty space!



Even then you didn't really answer the questions, apart perhaps the meaning of the T buttons.

[ataradov]

1.You are right : a button  labeled "Knob" is not fit  its function.Using this label is really for filling the empty space!   But which word is best ? or delete the button?

Why not make a drop down menu? Rotating knobs are easy to use in real life, not so much in virtual equipment.

2.if you run that app on PC,there is a item "knob mode select" in the menu " Tools|system opt ",you can try another knob mode.Maybe the "independent mode" more  fit PC big screen.

What do you mean "app on PC"? Is not it all HTML5 and should be the same on all platforms?