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Offline WastelandTek

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2017, 05:47:51 am »
Damn Dave

that looks great!

loving the 4@AA batteries
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2017, 06:54:12 am »
121GW! Dave, please tell me back to the future was inspiration for the model number!

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2017, 06:58:01 am »
121GW! Dave, please tell me back to the future was inspiration for the model number!

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2017, 07:33:26 am »
Unlike in the U.S. credit cards are not a thing here in Germany. I pay cash or with my banking card (debit card) in the real world and for online purchases it is either debit card, bank transfer as advance payment or Paypal // Amazon payments.

Unlike most the world I think.  What you have to understand is that the US has a very odd banking system comprised of not only gigantic banks but also little "Mom 'n Pop" institutions.  So while for me transferring money you have safely, securely and instantly between one of our schedule A banks goes without saying, this isn't available in the US because some of these small resource limited banks.  Honestly, some take weeks to clear a cheque.
So the solution for them is to use credit:  since it takes too long for some of the banks to agree you have the money you say you do, instead you rely on VISA or whatever to say "Yeah, he's good for it."
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2017, 07:44:19 am »
121GW! Dave, please tell me back to the future was inspiration for the model number!

cough...

It´s hell of a multimeter. Can´t never have enough of those.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2017, 08:54:46 am »
Aaand they're gone.

I ran to the next shop which have prepayed credit cards.
But the time I reached the shop, all (erarly bird) DMMs where gone.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 10:52:34 am by Barny »
 
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2017, 08:57:17 am »
Unlike in the U.S. credit cards are not a thing here in Germany. I pay cash or with my banking card (debit card) in the real world and for online purchases it is either debit card, bank transfer as advance payment or Paypal // Amazon payments.

Unlike most the world I think.  What you have to understand is that the US has a very odd banking system comprised of not only gigantic banks but also little "Mom 'n Pop" institutions.

Sorry for all the OT chatter, mandatory credit card is kind of a red flag for me. Since all the early birds are gone by now it really does not matter any more. Maybe I will order one or two when those are available through the regular EEVBlog shop.

I do not know about other countries, but here in Germany a credit card will cost you at least 30€ per year plus you pay something like 2% fees on transactions outside of the EU. Taking into account, that for me there are no recognizable benefits and almost everyone else will offer some sort of payment method I already can provide, I can not justify paying for one.

I have been traveling the world without a credit card for years and it has never been an issue. I usually pay cash and can withdraw money from a savings account via VISA plus terminals as a service from my bank free of charge world wide in case I need it.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2017, 09:22:37 am »
Hm, Europeans are screwed. All gone during sleep :=\  I just look up at kickstarter in the morning and all early birds are gone. To wait an extra of 4 month is not a problem for me, but  to pay more for waiting is not an option. No meter for Joe.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2017, 09:26:21 am »
I don't think the DMM will much more expensive at Amazon.
The problem is that Amazon don't sell to Austria.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2017, 10:24:36 am »
First time I have ever backed anything on Kickstarter. Cant wait  ;D
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2017, 10:31:04 am »
To wait an extra of 4 month is not a problem for me, but  to pay more for waiting is not an option.
Really? An extra 10 euros is enough to kill the deal?
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2017, 10:50:17 am »
Wow, 230k AUD already, crazy. I guess I'll have to get one, great looking multimeter with some nice functions I don't really have available on my bench atm.

Since I never order from outside of europe usually, I do have to expect VAT and customs charges, right? Some 20% on top of the 290AUD in Germany I guess?
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2017, 11:00:59 am »
Really? An extra 10 euros is enough to kill the deal?
There's always someone who finds a way of turning a nice thing into a problem.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2017, 11:17:57 am »
@markus-k

290AU$ are something around 180 to 185 Euro.
That's not that bad for this kind of features.

But yes, the toll taxes are interesting.
The costs here in Austria are 20% VAT because it's over 22Euro.
10 Euro additional postal fee .
and toll tax because the DMM costs more then 150Euro (I didn't have the exact percentage. I still wait for the answer of the BMF but I think it will be something around 5%)
 
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2017, 11:18:12 am »
Since I never order from outside of europe usually, I do have to expect VAT and customs charges, right? Some 20% on top of the 290AUD in Germany I guess?

To import electronics from outside the EU you need to pay customs duty and value-added tax on values above 150€. (VAT always applies for values above ca. 23€)
I do not know the exact percentage for this kind of measurement devices but my guess is something like 3.7%.

Number crunching:

121GW incl. shipping ca. 188€*
+ import duties 6.96€
= 194.96€
+ VAT 37.04€
Total 232€

*plus additional handling fee for credit card usage, this is not tax relevant however

Edit: That totals to around AU$ 367 incl. taxes and 2% handling fees
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 11:22:39 am by frozenfrogz »
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2017, 11:51:07 am »
Number crunching:

121GW incl. shipping ca. 188€*
+ import duties 6.96€
= 194.96€
+ VAT 37.04€
Total 232€

*plus additional handling fee for credit card usage, this is not tax relevant however

Edit: That totals to around AU$ 367 incl. taxes and 2% handling fees

cool, thanks. Thats still less than I paid for my Fluke 175 iirc.
 
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2017, 12:05:46 pm »
cool, thanks. Thats still less than I paid for my Fluke 175 iirc.
Pretty much any multimeter is going to cost less than a comparable Fluke. The Fluke premium can be ridiculous.
 
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2017, 12:10:14 pm »
Hi all,

Well, I have a workshop with a load of DMM's......but there's always room for another so have backed this. Got caught out here in the UK with the time difference so missed the 1st batch so am in the 2nd. Oh well!

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2017, 12:34:30 pm »
I do not know about other countries, but here in Germany a credit card will cost you at least 30€ per year plus you pay something like 2% fees on transactions outside of the EU. Taking into account, that for me there are no recognizable benefits and almost everyone else will offer some sort of payment method I already can provide, I can not justify paying for one.

Sorry for the OT, but this isn't really true. There are various free checking accounts that come with a free Visa- or Mastercard credit card (comdirect bank for example). There are also other possibilities: Barclaycard e.g. offers its New Visa without a yearly fee.
The cards with a yearly fee may be worth it if one is travelling to non-Euro countries or buying a lot from there. For about 70 EUR/year one can get cards that do not have any currency conversion fees or unfavorable exchange rates like Paypal, but use the "real" exchange rate of the day, which saves about 2%. So if one spends more than about 4000 US$ per year for example, this is worth the yearly fee (which typically includes some useful and not so useful insurances like travel health insurance, lowering the break-even point somewhat).
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2017, 01:33:15 pm »
Nice job and glad it's taken off so well.   :clap:

Not sure I really need a meter of that high a spec.. but I'm having a serious think about it.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2017, 01:56:16 pm »
Hm, Europeans are screwed. All gone during sleep :=\  I just look up at kickstarter in the morning and all early birds are gone. To wait an extra of 4 month is not a problem for me, but  to pay more for waiting is not an option. No meter for Joe.
 
Correct - I was really lucky. My kid was unwell all night and I accidentally got the YT notification.
Probably, I will be one of very few Europeans who gets it in the fist batch.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2017, 02:01:15 pm »
Since I never order from outside of europe usually, I do have to expect VAT and customs charges, right? Some 20% on top of the 290AUD in Germany I guess?

To import electronics from outside the EU you need to pay customs duty and value-added tax on values above 150€. (VAT always applies for values above ca. 23€)
I do not know the exact percentage for this kind of measurement devices but my guess is something like 3.7%.

Number crunching:

121GW incl. shipping ca. 188€*
+ import duties 6.96€
= 194.96€
+ VAT 37.04€
Total 232€

*plus additional handling fee for credit card usage, this is not tax relevant however
Edit: That totals to around AU$ 367 incl. taxes and 2% handling fees

I'll see what I can do.
Perhaps bulk shipping to the EU and having someone distribute internally is the best way to go for all?
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2017, 02:11:27 pm »
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I'll see what I can do.
Perhaps bulk shipping to the EU and having someone distribute internally is the best way to go for all?

VAT has to be paid anyway. Perhaps you could choose a country with a lowest VAT rate but the diff will be only a couple %.
You would probably save on shipping a bit.

 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2017, 02:13:18 pm »
Currently #2 under Popular projects on the Kickstarter frontpage, and it's about to break $200K USD! :-+
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2017, 02:19:31 pm »
Great! 8) But I'll wait. In the mean time: is it possible to access the data
spewn out via bluetooth on windows live through a virtual COM port?
I am asking, because I would like to post-process the data using Profilab
which otherwise would need a special driver - something which will never
happen.  :--

Anyway congratulations to a fine product; apparently after having  thoroughly
researched market needs. :-+
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