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Title: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: EEVblog on December 02, 2015, 08:04:30 am
Holy Crackpot Batman!
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/battery-with-unlimited-power-for-your-mobile-phone#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/battery-with-unlimited-power-for-your-mobile-phone#/)

Let's bamboozle'em with graphs!
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: rx8pilot on December 02, 2015, 08:11:50 am
I think it could work. All they need to do is bend the laws of physics a little bit. Not a problem.

Sent from mobile device.... Keeping it short and mis-spelled

Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: v8dave on December 02, 2015, 08:49:50 am
As I posted elsewhere, it has to be alien technology so don your tin foil hat and do a teardown when it's (if) released. :)
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: VK5RC on December 02, 2015, 08:58:00 am
None of that 'nasty chemical' reactions that those silly old batteries use, Robin. turbines to speed , atomic batteries to power, lets go ---- straightens tin foil hat!  :wtf:
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: canibalimao on December 02, 2015, 10:27:11 am
I don't see any problem here. They "just" need to fit 5 top quality 18650 batteries on the back of an iPhone.
Maybe they have plans to pass a bulldozer over a pack of batteries to make them flat and then create the case.
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: crispy_tofu on December 02, 2015, 10:44:58 am
cross-posting from the dodgy project thread :)

Similarity? Taken and edited right from a 2100mAh Mophie battery pack...  :-DD
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: matseng on December 02, 2015, 12:08:18 pm
I don't see any problem here. They "just" need to fit 5 top quality 18650 batteries on the back of an iPhone.
Maybe they have plans to pass a bulldozer over a pack of batteries to make them flat and then create the case.
I think your math is a bit off here.  The pack is 1500Ah and lets say that an *exceptional* 18650 is is 5000mAh=5Ah. So 300 (not 5) of the 18650's should give about the same capacity :-)
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: canibalimao on December 02, 2015, 12:10:20 pm
I don't see any problem here. They "just" need to fit 5 top quality 18650 batteries on the back of an iPhone.
Maybe they have plans to pass a bulldozer over a pack of batteries to make them flat and then create the case.
I think your math is a bit off here.  The pack is 1500Ah and lets say that an *exceptional* 18650 is is 5000mAh=5Ah. So 300 (not 5) of the 18650's should give about the same capacity :-)

You're right. I was just thinking ok a 15Ah pack and 3000mAh 18650 batteries.

That way, it's even easier to fit it on the back of an iPhone!
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: GNU_Ninja on December 02, 2015, 12:16:53 pm
Maybe Batterisers elite R&D team have jumped ship and decided to go it alone on another scam project  :-DD
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: GNU_Ninja on December 02, 2015, 01:11:30 pm
As I posted elsewhere, it has to be alien technology so don your tin foil hat and do a teardown when it's (if) released. :)

Nah, no alien tech involved. They're Russians. Not Hungarians.  ;)

(Extra brownie points if you get the cultural reference)
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: station240 on December 02, 2015, 02:21:16 pm
1000Ah what do they do, ship you a car battery?

I figured the trick is to just use a single cell, that way you get 1000Ah at say 3.2V
but then that doesn't add up
http://www.ev-power.eu/Winston-40Ah-200Ah/WB-LYP1000AHC-LiFeYPO4-3-2V-1000Ah-Special-product.html (http://www.ev-power.eu/Winston-40Ah-200Ah/WB-LYP1000AHC-LiFeYPO4-3-2V-1000Ah-Special-product.html)
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Weight (kg)    41
Height (mm)    356
Width (mm)    560
Depth (mm)    130

Yeah 41 kilos, like I said car battery.
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: jippie on December 02, 2015, 04:15:58 pm
Some source images are found on other webistes:

http://invertor.ru/akb.html (http://invertor.ru/akb.html)
http://photo-ek.ru/workshop/accu-capacity.html (http://photo-ek.ru/workshop/accu-capacity.html)
http://www.waspafrica.com/mobileapps.html (http://www.waspafrica.com/mobileapps.html)
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: suicidaleggroll on December 02, 2015, 04:23:33 pm
What in the hell is this?

(https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1445947111/i4cumcdef0jmnnoulkem.png)

Reminds me of
http://xkcd.com/730/ (http://xkcd.com/730/)
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: jippie on December 02, 2015, 04:26:41 pm
check the links I posted above.

Or through Google translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fphoto-ek.ru%2Fworkshop%2Faccu-capacity.html&edit-text=&act=url
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: Aodhan145 on December 02, 2015, 04:27:43 pm
Anyway if something like that was real they really wouldn't be on indiegogo for funding.
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: jippie on December 02, 2015, 04:29:03 pm
As I read it, it isn't real yet. They need the funding for the research and engineering.

"But for research, refinement and mass production we need your support!"

The engineering is part of their graphical timeline.

I cannot find the name mentioned on the IGG page on LinkedIn in contrast to the "LinkedIn verified" on the IGG page.
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: GNU_Ninja on December 02, 2015, 04:34:26 pm
Okay, own up, who ponied up the two bucks?  :-DD
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: moya034 on December 02, 2015, 04:45:17 pm
My favorite quote on that page is "No chemical and nuclear reactions in your pocket!"

No nuclear reactions? As if someone has actually made a pocket sized nuclear device to power cell phones.  :bullshit:
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: jippie on December 02, 2015, 05:13:02 pm
The "no chemical reactions" makes the project interesting, wonder how they will accomplish that.

I actually had a good laugh for the comparison with the generator.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/battery-with-unlimited-power-for-your-mobile-phone/?action=dlattach;attach=185089;image)
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: edy on December 02, 2015, 06:59:25 pm
My favorite quote on that page is "No chemical and nuclear reactions in your pocket!"

No nuclear reactions? As if someone has actually made a pocket sized nuclear device to power cell phones.  :bullshit:


I am surprised nobody has thought of bringing back the Thorium project to cell-phones. One little pellet and you are good to go for 100 years without a charge.... Like the Thorium powered car:

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/03/05/thorium-powered-car-could-run-100-years-on-just-8-grams-of-fuel/ (http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/03/05/thorium-powered-car-could-run-100-years-on-just-8-grams-of-fuel/)

If anyone can do it, the Russians can. Where did I hear that there are tons of old nuclear-powered portable monitoring stations or probes scattered all over Siberia that are potentially found and sold on the black market?

(http://politicalblindspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/cadillac-world-thorium-fuel-concept-1-625x320.jpg)
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: snoopy on December 03, 2015, 04:18:32 am
What about a wind powered electric car  :-DD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkcn8ZkvKKc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkcn8ZkvKKc)
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: miguelvp on December 03, 2015, 04:55:12 am
What about a wind powered electric car  :-DD


Don't read the comments because you can't unread them.
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: Jeroen3 on December 03, 2015, 06:44:25 am
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We are the team of the graduates from the Russian National Research Nuclear University MEPhI.
...
Our battery is absolutely safe! No chemical and nuclear reactions in your pocket!
So if it's not Chemical or Nuclear, what type of battery are they using? Kinetic? Space vacuum? 5th dimension?
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: mrpackethead on December 03, 2015, 08:28:46 am
The "no chemical reactions" makes the project interesting, wonder how they will accomplish that.

I actually had a good laugh for the comparison with the generator.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/battery-with-unlimited-power-for-your-mobile-phone/?action=dlattach;attach=185089;image)

 i can recharge 25 liters of deisel in my gen set in about 2 minutes.  thats fast. maybe i can crowd source my plastic funnel
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: SL4P on December 03, 2015, 08:36:42 am
What about a wind powered electric car  :-DD

ok, this got me thinking just before Christmas...

To start crowd-funding a 3/4 size, perpetual motion 'My Little Pony' toy.
People will jump all over it, the kids will have grown up before we have to deliver.
Everything fits perfectly!
--- and here's his instagram profile photo...
Who wants to join in?
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: amyk on December 03, 2015, 09:16:38 am
This is what a 5.5kWh battery, approximately the same energy of 1500Ah at 3.7V, looks like:
http://www.cclcomponents.com/product.asp?ID=3879 (http://www.cclcomponents.com/product.asp?ID=3879)
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: tigikay on December 03, 2015, 09:33:06 am
Ahahahaha, this is too good - I was offered a place at MEPhI 6 years ago :-DD

It's very far from the top of our STEM unis, but to have that kind of crap come from there is just WOW! And I'm talking about a uni which has a designated Faculty of Theology with a small Orthodox church  :palm:
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: canibalimao on December 03, 2015, 09:56:15 am
Ahahahaha, this is too good - I was offered a place at MEPhI 6 years ago :-DD

It's very far from the top of our STEM unis, but to have that kind of crap come from there is just WOW! And I'm talking about a uni which has a designated Faculty of Theology with a small Orthodox church  :palm:

That explains a lot...
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: tigikay on December 03, 2015, 10:01:24 am

That explains a lot...

it was a drama bombshell for all the STEM unis, our own faculty was buzzing for months about this
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: SaabFAN on December 03, 2015, 09:55:28 pm
Well, it has nothing nuclear in it and there are no chemical reactions happening (like in a battery), and it will last about 2 years.
Clearly they are using hamsters inside a wheel that is connected to a generator. XD
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: Bud on December 04, 2015, 07:11:41 am
...--- and here's his instagram profile photo...

What does that prove?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Einstein_tongue.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSywShoEMQTLLY6BPQSuTYNOmYkbT1rds8XgtJVEDLsUiiah9R7)

Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: timb on December 04, 2015, 12:03:33 pm

...--- and here's his instagram profile photo...

What does that prove?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Einstein_tongue.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSywShoEMQTLLY6BPQSuTYNOmYkbT1rds8XgtJVEDLsUiiah9R7)

...that Gene Simmons is really Einstein in disguise!
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: mikerj on December 04, 2015, 07:42:33 pm
Quote
We are the team of the graduates from the Russian National Research Nuclear University MEPhI.
...
Our battery is absolutely safe! No chemical and nuclear reactions in your pocket!
So if it's not Chemical or Nuclear, what type of battery are they using? Kinetic? Space vacuum? 5th dimension?

Maybe a graphene supercapacitor with superconductive carbon nanotube interconnects.  Or perhaps a zero point energy device, relying on carefully aligned magnets and coils that don't connect to anything. Some kind of "resonance" will probably be involved :bullshit:

Still, at least "extremely hazardous elements are missing", so we must be thankful they stopped at the very hazardous ones.
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: LaserSteve on December 04, 2015, 08:44:47 pm
Google "Strontium Nuclear Battery" or "Strontium 90 Lighthouse"  and tell me that you want hackable Thorium powered cars in crashes!

 Although I do think the decay powered lighthouses were  a cool technology. Once the USSR fell, and when one in the boonies feared the KGB or Interor Ministry, then it became a un-cool idea..

Steve

Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: Kalidor on December 05, 2015, 10:45:00 am
No problem to do that, with Li-ion the battery pack will be about 25-30 Kg.  8)

"Extra battery, that will serve your phone up to 2 years without charge!" vs. "Lifetime up 2 years". Why then a rechargeable battery   :palm:
"Output: 1V and 2V (PowerBank)" but USB should be 5V  |O
100% safety no chemical, nuclear, leakage, radiation....   Maybe the try it straight forward E=mc2  :scared:
"Based on the data obtained we decided to make a hybrid battery model"   ..back to chemistry  :phew:
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: jippie on December 05, 2015, 02:21:03 pm
Ah is that the catch:

Quote
Extra battery, that will serve your phone up to 2 years without charge!

You don't need a battery at all to have "your phone up to 2 years without charge". Just don't charge it for 2 years and you're there.
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: Brumby on December 14, 2015, 12:34:24 pm
Nah - I think you're all wrong.


It has to be wind-up.
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: Jeroen3 on December 14, 2015, 03:25:47 pm
Such as gravity light?
Imagine all the people on the train hanging those things on the suitcase racks  :P
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: NANDBlog on December 14, 2015, 03:51:59 pm
As I posted elsewhere, it has to be alien technology so don your tin foil hat and do a teardown when it's (if) released. :)

Nah, no alien tech involved. They're Russians. Not Hungarians.  ;)

(Extra brownie points if you get the cultural reference)
Yeah, like when the american project manager left at the Manhattan project, and the guys said, OK, now we can switch back to Hungarian Martian.
I think the project is feasible. See, they reserved an entire month for the engineering part.
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: rt on December 14, 2015, 09:17:09 pm
(https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1446814398/ghhefpghkkyy6ld3zor4.jpg)

https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1446814398/ghhefpghkkyy6ld3zor4.jpg (https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1446814398/ghhefpghkkyy6ld3zor4.jpg)

I have a feeling February will be a busy month!
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: matseng on December 15, 2015, 05:16:50 am
Do they actually say at what voltage the 10 0000 Ah is at?   If measured at 1mV then it most definitely would be plausible :-)

I measured my new 16 000 mAh Xiaomi powerbank and got a bit upset when I was only able to pull 10980mAh from it. But at closer inspection the 16 000 was specced at 3.75 volts and not 5 volts... So I actually got more that specced out of this unit... :-+

(http://i.imgur.com/Ddgpbxy.jpg?1)

Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: suicidaleggroll on December 15, 2015, 02:42:20 pm
I measured my new 16 000 mAh Xiaomi powerbank and got a bit upset when I was only able to pull 10980mAh from it. But at closer inspection the 16 000 was specced at 3.75 volts and not 5 volts... So I actually got more that specced out of this unit... :-+

All Li-Ion power banks are spec'd at 3.7-3.8v, so are phone batteries for that matter.
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: matseng on December 16, 2015, 02:52:48 am
I measured my new 16 000 mAh Xiaomi powerbank and got a bit upset when I was only able to pull 10980mAh from it. But at closer inspection the 16 000 was specced at 3.75 volts and not 5 volts... So I actually got more that specced out of this unit... :-+

All Li-Ion power banks are spec'd at 3.7-3.8v, so are phone batteries for that matter.
This is all true and so, but I still find it a bit confusing since the output of the device is 5.1 volt one would assume that this would be the voltage that the mAh is based upon as well.

Why did the industry choose to describe the batteries with mAh instead of Wh which would be a more suitable unit for energy?  What happens when a phone manufacturer changes the battery chemistry, then the mAh becomes totally irrelevant...
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: rs20 on December 16, 2015, 03:06:02 am
This is all true and so, but I still find it a bit confusing since the output of the device is 5.1 volt one would assume that this would be the voltage that the mAh is based upon as well.

It makes reasonable sense that batteries have mAh ratings. And since Li-ion is the standard right now, 3.6-3.7V is just the understood value. For comparability between the battery size in my phone and the battery size of an external battery pack, it makes sense that the battery pack be measured with respect to its internal 3.6-3.7V voltage as well.

In short, they've done it in the consistent and standard way. They deserve bonus marks for writing the 5V value in small writing as well. The end user never measures the current flowing at 5.1V, they care about the literal charge in the batteries (as measured in C = A.s). You, with your integrating ammeter, are not the target market for these numbers!!
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: matseng on December 16, 2015, 04:45:12 am
Yes, Xiaomi is a company that does very cheap high-quality stuff and seems to to generally good.

But that really doesn't solve the problem with the industry using a non-portable measurement unit for the battery capacity. Today it's just a number to the general public, they don't have a clue of what a milliamphour is. They only know that a bigger number=longer life.

So what happens when the safety-nazis wins and some companies introduces "fire-safe" phones using LiFePo4?  1000 LiFePo4 mAh's can't power a phone as long as 1000 LiPo mAh's will do.  But 3 LiFePo4 Wh's will power it as long as 3 LiPo Wh's.

I suppose they can advertise with a fudge-factor included, but they won't do that - saying that our safe 1000mAh battery is equivalent to a 850mAh unsafe battery doesn't sound too good :-)
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: pauljmccain on December 29, 2015, 02:59:47 am
1000Ah what do they do, ship you a car battery?

I figured the trick is to just use a single cell, that way you get 1000Ah at say 3.2V
but then that doesn't add up
http://www.ev-power.eu/Winston-40Ah-200Ah/WB-LYP1000AHC-LiFeYPO4-3-2V-1000Ah-Special-product.html (http://www.ev-power.eu/Winston-40Ah-200Ah/WB-LYP1000AHC-LiFeYPO4-3-2V-1000Ah-Special-product.html)
Quote
Weight (kg)    41
Height (mm)    356
Width (mm)    560
Depth (mm)    130

Yeah 41 kilos, like I said car battery.
That's more like a single cell of a forklift/industrial battery. Charge your phone, then move some pallets!
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: crispy_tofu on December 29, 2015, 03:38:56 am
8 days left, still $2... I think they're going to meet their goal!  :-DD
Title: Re: Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone
Post by: station240 on January 02, 2016, 08:07:22 am
perhaps we made a mistake and 1,500,000mAh isn't the storage capacity, it's how much power you can draw in total before the cell pukes it's guts.  >:D