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Offline mikeselectricstuff

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Free energy device on Kickstarter
« on: June 08, 2014, 10:28:34 pm »
..and you thought Indiegogo was scam central - now KS is getting in to the act

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1522712959/free-electricity-device-randd?ref=discovery
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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2014, 10:53:44 pm »
I can only say................... :palm:
 

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2014, 12:21:13 am »
I'm in for two.
Use one to provide free energy to the other one.
Free energy ^2!
Runaway free energy!
Better than a swift kick in the n@#s.
I didn't take it apart.
I turned it on.

The only stupid question is, well, most of them...

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2014, 12:24:23 am »
 :palm: :palm:
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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2014, 12:31:10 am »
The only guy who figured out free energy was lost on an uncharted desert isle...

 

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2014, 12:39:12 am »
I like laserhacker, he is a resourceful guy but I don't think this is him.
lasersaber in youtube.

His stuff is all disclosed for free at laserhacker.com why will anyone pay $20?

Edit: and he never claims free energy on his videos, as in from nowhere. But he has done pretty cool batteries and other things.
He actually makes fun of free energy on april fools on his youtube channel.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 12:48:40 am by miguelvp »
 

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2014, 01:47:06 am »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-activated_battery
"Kits using copper-magnesium cells activated by water or the liquid sample itself are also in development. "

What a coincidence he also has to add water into his battery and his battery is also using magnesium and copper.


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There has been a live web feed of one of these running a motor for over 2 years straight with no signs of stopping!
in the video he touches it and says we much fiddle with them to keep going.

How long would very efficient motor run from standard batteries with same volume?
 

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2014, 02:37:10 am »
I like laserhacker, he is a resourceful guy but I don't think this is him.
lasersaber in youtube.
Right, the Kickstarter video is the same as this video:

Maybe someone stole it, because wouldn't make sense to use an old video, when he has already a new video about it:

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2014, 02:57:34 am »
I'll bet that contraption would cost $100 in to build.  That's not quite so "free." :wtf:

Somebody please remind us to check in around the July-4 closing to see how many backers there are.

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2014, 03:29:14 am »
I like laserhacker, he is a resourceful guy but I don't think this is him.
lasersaber in youtube.
Right, the Kickstarter video is the same as this video:

Maybe someone stole it, because wouldn't make sense to use an old video, when he has already a new video about it:


I think it's the same guy, actually. He mentions laserhacker.com in the video here.

http://laserhacker.com/?p=326

I think his kickstarter campaign should drop the "Free Energy" in the title; it seems like perhaps he realized these are just batteries that need more research to determine their limits.  There's nothing wrong with crowdfunding that research, if he's transparent up front about why he wants the money.

Furthermore, batteries that have a low energy density are not really very good at all.  And he keeps talking about wanting to build motors that draw just microAmps of current to make it run longer, but it's pretty useless if it has no power and thus no ability to do real work like a motor should .

« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 03:36:41 am by codeboy2k »
 

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2014, 03:51:06 am »
I like laserhacker, he is a resourceful guy but I don't think this is him.
lasersaber in youtube.
Right, the Kickstarter video is the same as this video:

Maybe someone stole it, because wouldn't make sense to use an old video, when he has already a new video about it:


I think it's the same guy, actually. He mentions laserhacker.com in the video here.

http://laserhacker.com/?p=326

I think his kickstarter campaign should drop the "Free Energy" in the title; it seems like perhaps he realized these are just batteries that need more research to determine their limits.  There's nothing wrong with crowdfunding that research, if he's transparent up front about why he wants the money.

Furthermore, batteries that have a low energy density are not really very good at all.  And he keeps talking about wanting to build motors that draw just microAmps of current to make it run longer, but it's pretty useless if it has no power and thus no ability to do real work like a motor should .

Lasersaber Is Laserhacker.com, but not sure if he is the guy doing the kickstarter. I didn't see anything about it on his own forum nor his youtube channel, also the kickstarter doesn't mention lasersaber or laserhacker other than on the video that he used, and that video belongs to lasersaber (aka laserhacker)

Anyways I sent him a message via youtube to see if it's him, because it makes no sense that we will be looking for just $5K he doesn't seem to need that.


Edit: also it doesn't make sense because the video is already one year old and those motors are still running on his live cam, so why not say two and a half years? Someone is trying to cash in (only $5K) on someone's reputation. At least that's what I think.

Live video link: http://laserhacker.com/?page_id=20

Edit2: plus on the link you provided he shows the composition of the cell, why ask for $20 when he already made it public?

« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 04:29:58 am by miguelvp »
 

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2014, 05:48:10 am »
It's all about the magnets!

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2014, 02:34:19 pm »
I asked in the video comments and the Kickstarter guy is using the lasersaber video without permission:
https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=2nCuGtEDI5g
Should be a good reason for Kickstarter to cancel the project.
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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2014, 02:43:46 pm »
I asked in the video comments and the Kickstarter guy is using the lasersaber video without permission:
https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=2nCuGtEDI5g
Should be a good reason for Kickstarter to cancel the project.

Yeah, I got a reply from him as well and it's not his Kickstarter and he has no idea who the guy is.
It would be like if someone started a uCurrent Kickstarter using Dave's videos (before he did his of course) and copying the design (since it's open source)
 

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2014, 02:51:00 pm »
I asked in the video comments and the Kickstarter guy is using the lasersaber video without permission:
https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=2nCuGtEDI5g
Should be a good reason for Kickstarter to cancel the project.

Yeah, I got a reply from him as well and it's not his Kickstarter and he has no idea who the guy is.
It would be like if someone started a uCurrent Kickstarter using Dave's videos (before he did his of course) and copying the design (since it's open source)

I do believe this happened; although in the case of the uCurrent copycat, it was clearly a branding issue as well as a direct rip off of all of Dave's material. In this case, it's the research which doesn't seem to be as well defined.
 

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2014, 02:55:02 pm »
those 4 backers rather should have bought a bunch of AA cells for the 20 bucks :D  :-DD
 

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Re: Free energy device on Kickstarter
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2014, 03:45:27 pm »

c. Lab 8 Experiment 3: Use single replacement reactions to create voltage (make a battery)
Magnesium and copper cell
The Two-Compartment Electrochemical Cell:
In the above single replacement reactions, the more active metal gave its electrons directly to the ion of a different metal.  The electrochemical cell does the same thing but the electrons must pass through a wire first.  This allows us to develop voltage and power some electrical device. The two compartments (two beakers) separate the active metal from the ions that it will be sending its electrons.

Earlier you added magnesium ribbon to a copper(II) sulfate solution.  The magnesium atoms gave its electrons directly to the Cu2+ ions.  In the setup on the left, the metal magnesium atoms send their electrons through the wire, through the voltmeter, through the copper strip, and finally to the Cu2+ ions in the copper sulfate solution on the right. Copper ions become copper metal and the magnesium atoms that sent their electrons become magnesium ions. So the overall equation is the same as before.  The main difference is that magnesium metal and copper ions were never in direct contact with each other.:


Might be slightly different salt solutions, but still salt solutions.

I just did his research for him. More research with google: https://www.google.fi/search?q=copper+magnesium+galvanic+cell&oq=copper+magnesium&
 


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