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pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« on: April 09, 2018, 09:23:50 am »
An intriguing project I noticed on Kickstarter... the pISO... a Pi Zero based flash drive using virtual drives stored on SD card.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/178023282/piso-the-most-versatile-flash-drive-yet?ref=discovery
« Last Edit: April 09, 2018, 05:32:03 pm by geekGee »
 

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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2018, 03:51:27 pm »
I'm not sure about the whole "create multiple virtual flashdrives" thing but being able to quickly create bootable iso images on a stick is worth the price for me at least...
 

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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2018, 03:57:28 pm »
4*pogo pins: $2
OLED: $4
3*switches: $1

And you want $27?
 

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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 02:52:58 am »
I'm not sure about the whole "create multiple virtual flashdrives" thing but being able to quickly create bootable iso images on a stick is worth the price for me at least...

Agreed... I can think of some uses for the "multiple virtual flashdrives" but even they revolve around the bootable features.

I know there are products on the market that do this already but the implementation of this should make it hackable.   Only a few days left on it but I think I'll back it.
 

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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2018, 03:27:23 am »
4*pogo pins: $2
OLED: $4
3*switches: $1

And you want $27?
Plus testing, plus shipping, plus handling, plus PCB, plus etc. And then do a 2.5 times markup to make a living, as Dave suggested #887. If you dont like it, I guess you can just copy it and sell it cheaper, as that is how it is done in China isn't it.
 
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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2018, 05:20:28 am »
4*pogo pins: $2
OLED: $4
3*switches: $1

And you want $27?
Plus testing, plus shipping, plus handling, plus PCB, plus etc. And then do a 2.5 times markup to make a living, as Dave suggested #887. If you dont like it, I guess you can just copy it and sell it cheaper, as that is how it is done in China isn't it.

Make no delusion. At this price point, the OO isn't going to certify thus board. So the third party cost is not higher than a similar Chinese board of same feature.

I feel no guilty at all copying it. I'm not going to clone the PCB, and if the control program is in user space, I'm not going to pirate the program. If the control program is in kernel space, then it's gpl anyway.

The program doesn't looks like anything fancy. It's likely based on I2C tools and configfs.
 

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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 08:49:22 am »
Make no delusion. At this price point, the OO isn't going to certify thus board. So the third party cost is not higher than a similar Chinese board of same feature.
But probably built with some QC, and some semblance of support from the designer - neither of which you'll get from Chinese supplier who has near zero margin.
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I feel no guilty at all copying it. I'm not going to clone the PCB, and if the control program is in user space, I'm not going to pirate the program. If the control program is in kernel space, then it's gpl anyway.
They state that it will be released as Open Source - so you'll be able to copy it all you want.  Still many people don't want to do that, and $27 is not a high price for a westerner for the potential value.

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The program doesn't looks like anything fancy. It's likely based on I2C tools and configfs.
Yeah, but someone still would have spent many hours doing the hardware and software engineering, plus invaluable testing.

Calculating the value by just adding together the bulk purchase price of the main visible components is totally bogus, and disrespectful to your fellow engineers and makers/hobbyists!
 

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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 09:14:23 am »
But probably built with some QC, and some semblance of support from the designer - neither of which you'll get from Chinese supplier who has near zero margin.

A good example of what I call a proper Chinese product is Itead Sonoff. At retail price less quarter the BOM cost at 1pcs from major western distributor, they managed to do all in-house engineering, manufacturing and 100% testing. Near zero margin doesn't mean "real" near zero margin. At high quantity and a smart choice of components, they can usually negotiate a very good price on components.

The $2.65 retail price ($2.25 after eBay and PP fees) Sonoff has an estimated ~$1.8 BOM, and they are still doing well -- they have a genuine CE certificate on safety, health, EMC and radio, plus they have RoHS certificate.

Calculating the value by just adding together the bulk purchase price of the main visible components is totally bogus, and disrespectful to your fellow engineers and makers/hobbyists!

If something can be hacked up in a few hours to a few days, I don't call it valuable. Don't want to get depreciated? Then make some real contribution. Some really new, flashy ideas that have never been thought, some good engineering challenging some hard problems or some real fundamental breakthroughs in technology.

My marketing BS theory: if a product has very high level of sophistication and very steep engineering effort, I grant it 4x~10x BOM as final price before I call it BS. If something can be hacked up in hours to days, I grant it 1.2x~2x BOM cost as final price.
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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2018, 09:18:53 am »
4*pogo pins: $2
OLED: $4
3*switches: $1

And you want $27?
Software $20
 

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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2018, 09:27:46 am »
Software $20

True, but once you open source your code, you lose your power of negotiation.
By nature, my products (audiophile devices) have extremely high margin (10x+) and I use a lot of DSP and other software tricks in software, and for this reason, I don't use Linux much besides the cases which I can decouple my secret sauce and the Kernel.
I would rather write bare-metal code on an expensive DSP chip than using ARM+Linux and having to follow GPL rules. Some of the features I develop have to be in Kernel and using GPL-only symbols.
 

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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2018, 09:44:16 pm »
I feel no guilty at all copying it.

If it is your goal in life to find promising Kickstarter projects, copy, and undercut them, feel free to have a go at that. But I am pretty sure it is not what you are aspiring to, and you are arguing just for the argument's sake.
 

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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2018, 10:09:07 pm »
I feel no guilty at all copying it.

If it is your goal in life to find promising Kickstarter projects, copy, and undercut them, feel free to have a go at that. But I am pretty sure it is not what you are aspiring to, and you are arguing just for the argument's sake.

I was making the point that this project doesn't pack too much value, not even worth to be cloned. Personally I don't clone things.
 
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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2018, 11:52:51 pm »
At least 600 backers appear to see it differently  ;D
 

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Re: pISO: The Most Versatile Flash Drive Yet?
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2018, 11:55:14 pm »
I was making the point that this project doesn't pack too much value, not even worth to be cloned.

Value is in the "eye of the beholder".  From my perspective, assuming it works as advertised, it is an inexpensive solution to a challenge I encounter fairly often.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2018, 11:58:28 pm by geekGee »
 
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