Author Topic: Ring Clock  (Read 12662 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline notzippy

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 50
Ring Clock
« on: August 27, 2013, 11:59:35 pm »
Now apple needs to come out with an iRing :-D
http://igg.me/at/ringclock/x/1733288



Putting $200 down for a ring that the unreplaceable battery will reach it's end of life 3 years down the road seems pretty pricey to me. Considering the whole video is purely concept driven what is the chance that the reality will match the cgi ?

Nz
 

Offline Hypernova

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 654
  • Country: tw
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2013, 12:58:31 am »
This is the first non-scam looking IGG I've seen in god knows how long.

The battery issue can't be helped IMO with that kind of form factor.
 

Offline ElectroIrradiator

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 614
  • Country: dk
  • More analog than digital.
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2013, 11:33:48 am »
Wouldn't the stainless steel ring body create at least a partial short circuit of the inductive magnetic field, emanating from the Qi wireless charger pad? The induced back-EMF around the ring circumference would at first blush seem to be of the same magnitude as the incident field, making wireless inductive charging at best quite inefficient. :-//
 

Online Psi

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 7442
  • Country: nz
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2013, 12:59:07 pm »
the ring parts move but what if they are physically blocked from doing so? Say you have your hand in your pocket and it can't tick round.

I think you're misinterpreting how the current version works. The old 2011 design was intended to have 3 leds and be motorised but the current version doesn't rotate and instead has a large number of leds (144) and only 3 of them switch on at once to illuminate the number for H M S.

The issue i have with the product is reading the time quickly. If its 2pm and the number 2 is not visible the ring will need to be rotated before you can see the time. This will be the case for pretty much every time you check it.

EDIT: Actually i guess its not too bad. you can see most of the area by rotating your wrist

But US$192 is far too expensive for what it is. A laser cut metal ring, some leds, a flex pcb and a battery with some wireless charging tacked on.  US$80-120 is more what i would have expected.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2013, 01:12:52 pm by Psi »
Greek letter 'Psi' (not Pounds per Square Inch)
 

Offline GK

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 2607
  • Country: au
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2013, 01:29:33 pm »
Looks an unpractical and useless thing to me.  ::) I'd hate to wear a ring, and especially something as bulky as that. What next? A blinking LED thimble to stick on your knob?

Perhaps some people with a bent be trendy would find such a thing fashionable and therefore worth ~$200 for 3 years, regardless of how impractical it is as a timepiece. Then again I shave my head for practicality as I hate the tedium and bother of maintaining a head of hair and mostly wear steel caped work boots. Guess I don't know much about fashion.




 
Bzzzzt. No longer care, over this forum shit.........ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 

Offline SeanB

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 15318
  • Country: za
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2013, 07:42:27 pm »
That probably would be a good thing to use the new flexible Samsung LCD displays in, in a watch form factor that is flexible and wraps around the wrist. Uses a large area to display time, and if you can get a BT interface in it can be connected to a phone as well providing you can get battery life to a week.
 

Offline mrflibble

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 1947
  • Country: nl
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2013, 09:05:54 pm »
It does look pretty, but I suspect it's going to be useless as hell.

Well, that and I suspect there will never be any actual working versions coming out of that project...

Still, looks nice. I'd buy one for 15 euro at Aldi. Maybe 20, tops. And then give it to someone who likes these sort of gadgets.  ;D
 

Offline ElectroIrradiator

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 614
  • Country: dk
  • More analog than digital.
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2013, 09:30:18 pm »
A friend told me earlier this evening that in his opinion the design has some flaws.

First: Skin residue/fat, known from the backs of watches and in the crevices of jewelry. My friend is a watchmaker (a genuine craftsman watch repairer/restorer). He suspect that for many people the works will quickly gum up with skin fat and dead skin cells, making the whole thing quite yucky and possibly making it jam.

Secondly: Hand hygiene. Do you take the ring off when washing hands, leaving the potentially contaminated ring next to the sink, or is it waterproof? For surviving washing hands the ring needs to be able to survive being fully immersed in hot, soapy water, something which he claims simply won't happen in this form factor, movable parts and all.
 

Offline Corporate666

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 2004
  • Country: us
  • Remember, you are unique, just like everybody else
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2013, 09:41:19 pm »

But US$192 is far too expensive for what it is. A laser cut metal ring, some leds, a flex pcb and a battery with some wireless charging tacked on.  US$80-120 is more what i would have expected.

I think there is a lot more to it than that... the rings rotate (which is how you activate it to show the time), so they are at least 3-4 separate pieces that are machined.  Then the numbers would be laser cut in a very high-zoot laser (powerful enough to cut through steel accurately and also with a B-axis to rotate the part).  The machining and laser cutting are expensive propositions and costs would be high except in massive volume.  I would expect a shop to easily charge $50-75 per unit (or more) for the machine work and lasering, if you could get them made 1,000 units at a time.  I know I wouldn't touch those parts for less than that.

If you can do 100,000 at a time or more, then you could make some custom tooling which would speed it up (but said tooling would have a high initial cost).  Add in the electronics, manufacturing costs, warranty, shipping, returns, and the potential for distribution in the future, and I think their price is about as low as it can be.
It's not always the most popular person who gets the job done.
 

Online Psi

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 7442
  • Country: nz
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2013, 01:06:28 am »
The rings individually rotate on the 2011 concept, in the video he says he had to make some changes to make it practical.

It doesn't actually say but i'm 99% sure the 'new' version (they one the funding request is for) is just two pieces of metal, an inner ring and an outer ring that are permanently fixed together with the PCB in the middle.

The new version looks to be proximity/touch to switch it on.
I don't think it rotates at all, or, if it does it's just a slight twist motion to turn it on rather than a rotation.

He really shouldn't be showing the 2011 design picture. it just going to confuse people.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2013, 01:13:50 am by Psi »
Greek letter 'Psi' (not Pounds per Square Inch)
 

Offline Corporate666

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 2004
  • Country: us
  • Remember, you are unique, just like everybody else
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2013, 02:11:19 am »
The rings individually rotate on the 2011 concept, in the video he says he had to make some changes to make it practical.

It doesn't actually say but i'm 99% sure the 'new' version (they one the funding request is for) is just two pieces of metal, an inner ring and an outer ring that are permanently fixed together with the PCB in the middle.

The new version looks to be proximity/touch to switch it on.
I don't think it rotates at all, or, if it does it's just a slight twist motion to turn it on rather than a rotation.

He really shouldn't be showing the 2011 design picture. it just going to confuse people.

I completely agree with you - I find it confusing as well.  What complicates it more is that I can tell all his "real" pictures are just a machined non-functional mock-up of the real thing - it's just a machined cylinder laser-cut all the way through. 

In the "Design from 2011" pic, he says "rings rotate individually" (but does not explain why or to what end).  Then under "Ring Clock as part of every day life" he mentions guessing the time before you rotate it.  But from looking at the pics in that section (renderings), you're right, it looks like a single rotating piece.  However, it's still a bit complex mechanically, since the two pieces need to fit together and have a way to prevent them coming apart.  But if the "display ring" just slides over the "PCB base" ring, what holds it in place?  What seals the edges?  What detects it being turned?  The renderings definitely (from my eyes) show the numbers ring being too small to slide of axially, so that mechanism would need engineered.

...which I don't think they have done since the real pics of their actual part are just solid machined cylinders with laser cut numerals. 

Sort of like the South Park Underwear Gnomes...

Step 1 - Steal underwear
Step 2 - ??
Step 3 - Profit

These guys haven't figured out step 2 yet  :o
It's not always the most popular person who gets the job done.
 

Online Psi

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 7442
  • Country: nz
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2013, 02:14:45 am »
Rotation could work with an accelerometer. (But i don't think he's doing this)
An accelerometer would allow it to detect the entire ring being rotated on your finger and could trigger illumination.
A lot of accel chips have an interrupt output which can be used to wake up a mcu when the device flips or rotates or freefalls.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2013, 02:21:14 am by Psi »
Greek letter 'Psi' (not Pounds per Square Inch)
 

Offline c4757p

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 7805
  • Country: us
  • adieu
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2013, 02:15:19 am »
Step 1 - Steal underwear
Step 2 - ??
Step 3 - Profit

These guys haven't figured out step 2 yet  :o

That seems to be a rather common theme with these crowd-funded things...
No longer active here - try the IRC channel if you just can't be without me :)
 

Offline mrflibble

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 1947
  • Country: nl
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2013, 02:57:08 am »
Pffff, I wish. I wouldn't even trust most crowd-funded project starters to reliably steal underwear.
 

Offline Stonent

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3824
  • Country: us
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2013, 06:10:41 am »
It does look pretty, but I suspect it's going to be useless as hell.

Well, that and I suspect there will never be any actual working versions coming out of that project...

Still, looks nice. I'd buy one for 15 euro at Aldi. Maybe 20, tops. And then give it to someone who likes these sort of gadgets.  ;D

Your Aldi must be a lot cooler than my Aldi. I know I can get cheap milk, eggs, and meatballs there.  :-+
The larger the government, the smaller the citizen.
 

Offline MFX

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 83
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2013, 04:58:31 pm »
There are certainly parts of the design that are practical but :-

Inductive charging on a stainless steel ring?
Outer rotating ring is asking for trouble both engineering and reliability wise particularly as they have expressed a desire to make it waterproof/resistant. Touch activation might be more practical.
Multiplexing 144 LED's on a tiny two layer flexi PCB Doable? Maybe, but rather them than me.
Non-replaceble battery with 3 year life, er. no thanks I'm out.

At least they do see to have made some effort/personal investment with real life prototypes (which couldn't have been cheap) but not sure they're going to pull this off unless they make some compromises.

Martin.
 

Offline edavid

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 2905
  • Country: us
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2013, 05:23:33 am »
It does look pretty, but I suspect it's going to be useless as hell.

Well, that and I suspect there will never be any actual working versions coming out of that project...

Still, looks nice. I'd buy one for 15 euro at Aldi. Maybe 20, tops. And then give it to someone who likes these sort of gadgets.  ;D

Your Aldi must be a lot cooler than my Aldi. I know I can get cheap milk, eggs, and meatballs there.  :-+

The Aldi stores in Europe sell a few consumer electronic items every week, usually "Medion" brand.
 

Offline mrflibble

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 1947
  • Country: nl
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2013, 07:25:47 am »
Your Aldi must be a lot cooler than my Aldi. I know I can get cheap milk, eggs, and meatballs there.  :-+

The Aldi stores in Europe sell a few consumer electronic items every week, usually "Medion" brand.

Indeed. Right now they have a laptop, external harddisk, an omgwtfbbq brand smartphone, things like that. Plus things like power tools (usually Topcraft). Got my angle grinder, drill and drill press there. It's okay-but-not-great quality at an decent price.
 

Offline IvoS

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 284
  • Country: us
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2013, 01:09:58 pm »
This project stinks. Where is the working prototype? All I see is manufactured metal rings and rendered pictures.  :rant:
 

Offline MFX

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 83
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2013, 03:06:15 pm »
This project stinks. Where is the working prototype? All I see is manufactured metal rings and rendered pictures.  :rant:

Hey that's more than many projects offer and as I said before getting those test rings made even without the electronics couldn't have been cheap so at least they must have some belief in the project themselves rather than it be a complete "Give me loads of money and I'm sure I'll figure out how to do it" job which many are. This is more a "Give me loads of money and I'm sure we'll figure out the tricky bits that we haven't figured out yet" job.

Martin.
 

Offline MacAttak

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 682
  • Country: us
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2013, 05:15:51 pm »
Well, like it or not it seems this one is going to have a go. They just reached their minimum funding with 9 days left.
 

Offline Corporate666

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 2004
  • Country: us
  • Remember, you are unique, just like everybody else
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2013, 09:49:18 pm »
100 quatloos on this becoming the next Mu Imager fiasco!
It's not always the most popular person who gets the job done.
 

Offline alank2

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 2004
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2013, 12:56:16 am »
Here is my still unfinished ring clock:

 

Offline thefatmoop

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 31
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2013, 04:37:56 pm »
"we are in the process of finalizing our prototype"

Good grief who puts money on that? Those were only cg shots people
 

Offline coreybus

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 8
Re: Ring Clock
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2013, 11:48:20 pm »
Will you have to continuously rotate the ring lol?
 


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf