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Title: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Delta on April 18, 2016, 05:55:39 pm
The more and more utter impossible shite I see, ranging from the T-charger (all traces see to have been removed), the Airing, Triton, etc etc etc, with idiotic people throwing money at, I start feeling I should leave my morals at the door and cash in myself.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: ez24 on April 18, 2016, 06:25:58 pm
If you do be sure to read the entire Batterizer posts.  Lots of advice on how to run a scam.  Advice is given on how the scam works NOT how to do it.

I am waiting for someone to download all the posts and make a Kindle version and sell it on Amazon.  Just do not know what the title will be.   :-DD
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Delta on April 18, 2016, 06:38:30 pm
I have followed that marathon post from the start! 

One key thing I take from that, is to sell my scam offer perks at a cheap enough price that people won't bother chasing it up (even though I don't think they have any means to do so) when the impossible device fails to work / arrive, they'll just write it off.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Len on April 18, 2016, 06:48:00 pm
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Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?

No. Aside from making you an asshole and a crook, you'll ruin your professional reputation.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Kilrah on April 18, 2016, 07:01:54 pm
I'm frankly asking myself the same question sometimes.

For now I tend to stay on the honest/warning side of things - see my signature below.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: langwadt on April 18, 2016, 11:04:51 pm
People who fall prey to scams aren't idiots. They're victims.
To label them all idiots without making any attempt to know more is ironically to make an idiot of yourself.

they can be both, if people fall for a scam because they are greedy or blindly throw money at something that is too
good to be true, idiot probably covers it
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Delta on April 18, 2016, 11:05:19 pm
People who fall prey to scams aren't idiots. They're victims.
To label them all idiots without making any attempt to know more is ironically to make an idiot of yourself.

Come on Wilf, look how ridiculous some of these campaigns are!  I'm not saying that everyone who's lost money on a crowdfunding campaign is an idiot, just the ones who back ludicrous campaigns.

If I make up a campaign that is so idiotic, then by definition, anyone who backs it is an idiot!
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Skimask on April 18, 2016, 11:06:51 pm
Why not? :-DD
Go for it.  The smart ones will see right thru it.  The not-smart ones will fork it over.

http://www.thenophone.com/ (http://www.thenophone.com/)

http://sharktankblog.com/business/nophone/ (http://sharktankblog.com/business/nophone/)
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: CatalinaWOW on April 19, 2016, 02:41:26 am
While I am sympathetic towards fleecing people with more money than they know what to do with, and not enough brains to have earned it in the first place, I would feel terrible taking money from people desperately trying to improve their financial lot or those who are short on both money and brains.

If you can figure out how to sort that out maybe you could go for it.  But recognise that if you piss those rich dumb ones off they have the resources to come after you.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: AF6LJ on April 19, 2016, 02:51:18 am
Bad Karma Don't Do it...
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Circlotron on April 19, 2016, 03:14:58 am
OP aka Dogbert.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: EEVblog on April 19, 2016, 03:40:10 am
Do it like James Randi and "Carlos" did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0hgP3ioAeA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0hgP3ioAeA)

The deliverable perk can be a video explaining how they've been duped and shouldn't be so gullible in the future. Then refund everyone's money.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: FreddyVictor on April 19, 2016, 08:48:08 am
should you join the scammers ?
probably best not, but I understand the thinking/sentiment

as for doing a Randi, I believe the saying "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled"
so I'm not totally convinced they would learn ....
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: MrSlack on April 19, 2016, 08:56:52 am
Why bother when you can write software on contract?

Deliverables are hard to define. Hourly rate is crazy good. It's virtually impossible to measure what you're doing. Absolutely no risk to professional reputation. You can quietly screw nasty people trying to build an unethical business. People are queuing up to employ you even if you're crap.  It doesn't require commuting - you can just sit on your arse at home or sit in the car somewhere nice (my office view last week: http://imgur.com/PXYpBfw (http://imgur.com/PXYpBfw) ).

Who needs a scam  >:D
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Kalidor on April 19, 2016, 03:34:04 pm
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Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?

No. Aside from making you an asshole and a crook, you'll ruin your professional reputation.

You can create some identities for your team, I don't think that IGG has the resources to verify it.  >:D
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Kalidor on April 19, 2016, 03:51:34 pm
The deliverable perk can be a video explaining how they've been duped and shouldn't be so gullible in the future. Then refund everyone's money.

Don't refund the money, give it to Sea Shepherd, they do something useful with it, if you refund it it goes to the next scam.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Howardlong on April 19, 2016, 04:00:10 pm
Tcharger pages are still there https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tcharger-the-next-generation-wireless-charger#/comments (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tcharger-the-next-generation-wireless-charger#/comments)
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Kalidor on April 20, 2016, 03:06:30 am
Tcharger pages are still there https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tcharger-the-next-generation-wireless-charger#/comments (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tcharger-the-next-generation-wireless-charger#/comments)

Location: London, United Kingdom
Bank account country: Russian Federation   :palm:
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: station240 on April 20, 2016, 06:24:47 am
Why not move up one layer above the pond scum, and makes something that works, just not as perfectly as you originally claimed.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Mechatrommer on April 20, 2016, 12:55:29 pm
...and makes something that works, just not as perfectly as you originally claimed.
its a scam nonetheless.

btw, the answer to this is highly dependent on your belief systems. i can give you answer but then that will be based on my belief systems, may not be compatible with yours, so i'm not going to. thats why you see there so many variant of human beings, 1 trillion people with 1 trillion traits, this is "natural unselection" nature. ;)
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: StuUK on April 20, 2016, 01:07:12 pm
...and makes something that works, just not as perfectly as you originally claimed.
its a scam nonetheless.

btw, the answer to this is highly dependent on your belief systems. i can give you answer but then that will be based on my belief systems, may not be compatible with yours, so i'm not going to. thats why you see there so many variant of human beings, 1 trillion people with 1 trillion traits, this is "natural unselection" nature. ;)

I trillion people? last I looked it was about 7.5 billion so someway to go....
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Delta on April 20, 2016, 01:17:48 pm
ironically, if you run a scam and at the end come clean, offer refunds / give the money to charity, you are opening yourself up to legal action, whereas if you go the usual route of "sorry, we tried but the money ran out" you are in the clear...
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Circlotron on April 21, 2016, 08:51:09 am
I trillion people? last I looked it was about 7.5 billion so someway to go....
Some people fall for scams more than once.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Howardlong on April 21, 2016, 04:45:09 pm
Not a scam, more of a piss take:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-freakin-thorium-roadways--4#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-freakin-thorium-roadways--4#/)
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: ez24 on April 21, 2016, 05:44:32 pm
Not a scam, more of a piss take:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-freakin-thorium-roadways--4#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-freakin-thorium-roadways--4#/)

Could this be a Aprils fool joke?  Or a satire on IG ?     It looks like they are raising money.
Could it be people are paying money to be in on the joke?

1 claimed for $500 USD that a self conscious road will sing them a song ??


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MEGA THORIUM BOOSTER!
When the thorium solar roadways become self conscious, they will sing songs in honour of your generosity!
1 claimed
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Howardlong on April 21, 2016, 07:19:17 pm
Thunderf00t, a fairly well-known Youtuber.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Delta on April 21, 2016, 09:15:46 pm
It TF raising money for a thermal imaging camera, whilst taking the piss out of the Solar Roadways idiots and thorium powered car scammers...  Good work.
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Kalidor on April 22, 2016, 03:52:21 pm
I started a thread about that over a week ago.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/solar-freakin'-thorium-roadways!/
Title: Re: Should I scam some crowdfunded money from idiots?
Post by: Howardlong on April 22, 2016, 04:16:52 pm
I started a thread about that over a week ago.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/solar-freakin'-thorium-roadways!/

Sorry, missed that thread, is board is just so popular and busy it's hard to keep up!