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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2014, 11:36:55 pm »
I think that the Soap team totally underestimated the project and overestimated their skills. I wouldn't be suprised if their last project was something with an Arduino  >:D
Oh yea. We made LED go blinky blinky based on Adafruit tutorial. Router is just more led and LCD plus Ethernet shield right?
I'm not saying we should kill all stupid people. I'm just saying that we should remove all product safety labels and let natural selection do its work.

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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2014, 10:53:09 pm »
The board still doesn't have mounting holes!
How on Earth does it attach to anything? Why would you do a proto-run without mounting holes?
Just to blow money when you have to respin it to add them and muck up your layout? Am I missing something about this? Why hasn't the board guy added mounting holes by now!?

They are simply dicking around - easily could have had a small qty of rev 1 PCB spun by now (especially since they ditched doing the iMX6 themselves), instead they are making bullshit renders.

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5. Optical Audio connector and audio 3.5MM are still planned, but we have removed the connectors from this version.
Huh? You removed them from the design? Or just removed from the BOM? I don't see footprints so uhh...you removed them from the design?  :clap:

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6. As you can see we do have double sided board this is for two reason. We have a lot to put on such a small area and it allows for easy EMI approval.
What? Oh yeah, double sided component placement inherently implies "easy EMI approval"??? What in the #$%@.  :palm:

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This board is the final prototype...

How can it be the final prototype when you haven't even tested it?  :-//

Bullshit looking rows of passives still present on the board. And do my eyes deceive me or are some of these passives overlapping an electrolytic cap? Wait...big surprise here...there are no mounting holes for the standoffs for the Congatec board!

It's a bullshit board and a bullshit layout. Sucks they got so much money and are now just tooling around in Altium 3D view.
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2014, 11:41:53 pm »
Forgive if this is already noted. It made me laugh, but then I'm not a backer.
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Update #32

May 13 2014
Update on the Update
We have been putting together a large update with a lot more final information. The problem is we don't have the final information yet.

One thing in their favour is the Raspberry Pi had no mounting holes, and they managed to sell stacks of them.
 

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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2014, 02:52:16 am »
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We want to post a few 3D photos of the new board...


Ah.. now I understand the difference between the words "picture" and "photo". Certainly they used a wrong one here...deliberately?
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2014, 08:34:54 am »
Forgive if this is already noted. It made me laugh, but then I'm not a backer.
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Update #32

May 13 2014
Update on the Update
We have been putting together a large update with a lot more final information. The problem is we don't have the final information yet.

One thing in their favour is the Raspberry Pi had no mounting holes, and they managed to sell stacks of them.

yes raspberry got no mount holes in the first revision, but it was never meant to be embedded in products.. the primary goal was a cheap small computer for educational purposes. and they met their goal 100%. and of course they added the holes in the second version - but the connector layout is kind of unusable for embedding it into a product ;) but anyways - raspberry is a great product meeting the initial goal for 100%.

this router thingy discussed in this thread seems to be a scam.
 

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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2014, 12:06:02 am »
this router thingy discussed in this thread seems to be a scam.
Considering what these eastern european folks do with their hardware running an optimised linux kernel:
www.mikrotik.com and  www.routerboard.com
They can provide a rock-solid router/firewall for a very low price - they are up to v6 of their OS - RouterOS and are still ironing out bugs on a very regular basis. They provide Cisco-like routing/firewall features at a fraction of the cost both in hardware and software.

To suggest that you can improve on this, whilst running on Android has to be the biggest joke of the decade.
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2014, 08:32:08 pm »
They want more money.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/soap-the-android-tablet-to-replace-your-old-ugly-router

and it's just the beginning :D it's going to be even worse :D

those guys should consider return the funding and take the loses - it would be far cheaper for them at the end of the day.

i would never ever start a kickstarter campaign without having a working prototype... apparently those kids wants to learn the hard way  :palm:
 

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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2014, 09:00:40 pm »
it's going to be even worse :D

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it would be far cheaper for them at the end of the day

They are fine, they have the money and they pretend to do something - this alone satisfies KS ToS. Its backers problem now :)
$250 might actually cover their hw cost this time. But still doesnt guarantee any delivery.
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2014, 12:04:03 pm »
The feature list is fucking hilarious. Constantly updates anti-virus that somehow negates the need for AV software running on all your PCs? "Flypaper" to "trap" hackers? What does that even mean?

They also list a load of well known brands as their "partners", but they aren't actually working with them at all. They just buy in Freescale ARM processors, that doesn't make them a "partner".

Indigogo should shut down obvious scams like this.
Yea tell me about it. First of all, what the fuck is flypaper? Any TECHNICAL details on how it works? Second, Spy, which allows you to view someone else's screen, is close to impossible, not only would this raise multiple security concerns, it would also necessitate the cooperation of all major OS maintainers.
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2014, 05:48:07 pm »
Yea tell me about it. First of all, what the fuck is flypaper? Any TECHNICAL details on how it works? Second, Spy, which allows you to view someone else's screen, is close to impossible, not only would this raise multiple security concerns, it would also necessitate the cooperation of all major OS maintainers.

Flypaper is a mix of a honeypott and an IDS to monitor unwanted traffic. Spy could be something like VNC.
 

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« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2014, 06:16:53 pm »
Yea tell me about it. First of all, what the fuck is flypaper? Any TECHNICAL details on how it works? Second, Spy, which allows you to view someone else's screen, is close to impossible, not only would this raise multiple security concerns, it would also necessitate the cooperation of all major OS maintainers.

Flypaper is a mix of a honeypott and an IDS to monitor unwanted traffic. Spy could be something like VNC.

VNC needs a server installed on the target machine, though. They claim (have claimed) you can spy on any device on the network without installing any software.  :bullshit:

Even with a honeypot and IDS, how are hackers "trapped"? Are they put in some kind of invisible jail?  :P

The IGG campaign is up to $7K USD already!  :wtf:
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2014, 07:06:50 pm »
VNC needs a server installed on the target machine, though. They claim (have claimed) you can spy on any device on the network without installing any software.  :bullshit:

Even with a honeypot and IDS, how are hackers "trapped"? Are they put in some kind of invisible jail?  :P

Please don't believe that marketing hogwash! You're right, without installing any software/malware on the device monitored, the only thing they can spy on is the network traffic. And yes, 'trapped' is BS too. Would you run a honeypott light and an IDS on the same machine controlling your network and home automation? I wouldn't, even if it would run in a virtual machine. Those guys haven't any clue about IP networking and security.
 

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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2014, 07:38:11 pm »
Please don't believe that marketing hogwash! You're right, without installing any software/malware on the device monitored, the only thing they can spy on is the network traffic. And yes, 'trapped' is BS too. Would you run a honeypott light and an IDS on the same machine controlling your network and home automation? I wouldn't, even if it would run in a virtual machine. Those guys haven't any clue about IP networking and security.
And all from the robust networking OS known as Kitkat... err Android!
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2014, 09:26:52 pm »
btw.. this router project  https://www.turris.cz/en/  is what i call a real high-end SOHO router - it was designed and made by the Guys behind CZNIC - the Czech internet peering center - so REAL NETWORK EXPERTS. it took them  1 and half year to finish (whole time-line of the project on the web).. btw... they are not selling the unit - they are borrowing it to volunteers in Czech republic  (there is some research project behind it). the estimated price is in the 400+ Euro range, but in mass production it would be cheaper. if they'll eventually start selling the unit (i hope they will) i would happily buy one.

so how could those SOAP guys make it within a few months ?  :-DD this SOAP thingy will be either never delivered, or it will be already obsolete when they will start delivering.  :-DD
 

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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2014, 04:54:07 am »
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Soap Mesh gives you unheard of security for your home network. With two more Soap devices wirelessly clustered, it allows Soap to run checks or balances to verify that your home network and all connected devices are always secure.

What does this even mean? Checks OR balances.... ??? :bullshit:

They jumped to from around $9K to almost $20K in a day or two. Amazing. Amazingly depressing.
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2014, 06:41:48 am »
Z-wave ? Really ? I don't believe a single word of it. The amount of NDA paperwork in that is mindboggling. Slapping on a toolstick is not z-wave ...
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2014, 10:13:25 pm »
They are halfway there on IG - inconceivable! Nothing of substance, all hype and bluster. They will get $46K+ to bank on top of the KS 'earnings' to spend on anything but what they have promised - hookers and crack no doubt...
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2014, 05:14:17 pm »
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They jumped to from around $9K to almost $20K in a day or two. Amazing. Amazingly depressing.

Some of that is the advertizing they get from hackaday.  Does indiegogo have a referral rewards program?
 

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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #69 on: June 19, 2014, 06:36:13 pm »
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They jumped to from around $9K to almost $20K in a day or two. Amazing. Amazingly depressing.

Some of that is the advertizing they get from hackaday.  Does indiegogo have a referral rewards program?

Oh yeah, and being "featured" on Wired.  :-//

And they just went from $25K to $30K make that $35K make that $38K(!) now in one day. Is that normal for a crowd funded project? It seems like such a steep increase.
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #70 on: June 19, 2014, 06:41:43 pm »
Someone should alert their "partners" that they are using their good names and logos to promote a scam. Claiming that they are partners is highly misleading - it suggests that have an actual business relationship and co-operation at a technical level. By their standards I could claim Mitsubishi are my partners because I drive one of their cars. Actually, I'm partnered with the Soviet Military because I'm designing a product that uses a part developed by them.
I'm partnered with Iran since I have a box if Iranian sweets.
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #71 on: June 25, 2014, 07:49:20 pm »


 |O |O |O |O

I noticed they have removed their old "prototype" video from the web. I wonder why?
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2014, 03:52:21 am »
Posted pictures of the "pre-production prototype" on IGG:



http://www.congatec.com/us/products/accessories/conga-mcbqseven-arm.html
 
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2014, 04:51:43 am »
so their pre production board is off the shelf $250 dev board carrier for $200 dev board, brilliant
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Re: Soap router - HW specs too good to be true?
« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2014, 01:34:14 pm »
How can they not realise that many people are watching them, and this would be quickly seen to be an off the shelf (and somewhat expensive) development board.
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It is almost nothing like their "design" they showed (somewhat suspect) 3D renders of, but I guess it could be used as an initial development platform.
 


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