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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2014, 03:19:38 am »
Looks like they have individual square PCBs interconnected with flex wire and an OLED screen, the batteries will have to be modular connected with flex wire as well.

Good timing on the campaign.

Still, I don't think $300K is enough to get a full phone done and manufactured at $500 a pop for a brand new company that's never done it. And Flexible funding to top it off  :--
 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2014, 05:10:18 am »
Apple got there first.

They did?

Where have you been on the last week. The whole bendgate and burned phones in the microwave are trending everywhere because people are idiots :)
 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2014, 08:10:38 am »
Looks like they have individual square PCBs interconnected with flex wire and an OLED screen, the batteries will have to be modular connected with flex wire as well.

Good timing on the campaign.

Still, I don't think $300K is enough to get a full phone done and manufactured at $500 a pop for a brand new company that's never done it. And Flexible funding to top it off  :--

I wondering how many developers and money is sunk into a "big name" phone. Id imagine atleast 100 and a few million a the bare minimum?

Arn EMC and compliance tests very very very stringent on phones?
 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2014, 08:14:45 am »
wait 2 more apple generations and there obsession with making things thinner will force it to bend like a roll up (you can only get so thin before the space required for a rigid frame exceeds the space required for the electronics)
 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2014, 08:27:17 am »
wait 2 more apple generations and there obsession with making things thinner will force it to bend like a roll up (you can only get so thin before the space required for a rigid frame exceeds the space required for the electronics)

I dont want my phone to look like a......


 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2014, 10:56:35 am »
I was about to post this here, but someone was faster.

I think it's bullshit, since there isn't even one image with a working prototype.

Brilliant:

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How do you make a phone water proof?
We have some tricks up our sleeve.  These days, there are all kinds of compounds out there developed to protect circuit boards from exposure to the elements.  There is cold potting which turns the circuit board into a hockey puck, there is conformal coating which is like putting clear nail polish on top of the circuit board.  There are hundreds of different chemicals, materials, and processes that have been used in other industries to achieve the exact same result.  We'll just say we did some tinkering and made a few discoveries- the rest is top secret for now.
Translation => We don't know

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Well, if you want to talk about coplanar wave guides, the differences between ENIG and OSP PCB, or MIPS we can go there and somewhat enjoy it.  If you have a "in the weeds" question shoot us a message and we'll be happy to discuss.
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Unfortunately the mobile space is very competitive and every supplier wraps us up in more legal documents than you can imagine.  This is why some of our details are so vague. ...........the simple answer is all of our vendors put us under non-disclosure agreements (NDA).........................Since Portal is still being baked, in order to tell you the processor we have selected, what this or that is, etc.; we would have to tell you what our vendors product road maps look like which is their confidential information................................The chip maker isn't going to like a picture of their prototype chip that hasn't been released yet publicly, up on IndieGoGo......................................The processor and all of the chips are well known by name and vendor.  We aren't inventing chips, and we aren't crazy. The majority of the components that make up Portal will be in other smart phones you don't know about yet from the "big guys".  There aren't very many mobile chipset manufactures- lets leave it at that.
Beside many empty (marketing) texte there are Excuses, excuses and even more excuses.
Why are they trying so hard do convince us? I think we all know the answer. :bullshit:



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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2014, 11:34:20 am »
wow ! a mobilephone SOAP !  :-DD
 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2014, 12:01:59 pm »
This will be another scam campaign which will take $300k and never deliver anything except some cheap $5 headphones.

Indiegogo should ban these complex project campaigns unless they submit a working prototype directly. Not just photos or renderings. It must have all or a significant part of the described functionality.
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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2014, 12:19:03 pm »
Apple got there first.

They did?

They designed a phone that bent (iPhone 6+), but it wasn't supposed to be bendable to that extent!  :palm:
 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2014, 05:37:09 pm »
Apple got there first.

They did?

They designed a phone that bent (iPhone 6+), but it wasn't supposed to be bendable to that extent!  :palm:

The Apple designed Banana(phone)!


(could be the official commercial for it)
 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2014, 02:52:53 am »
There is so, so much wrong with this campaign that I don't even know where to begin.

I'll just say that there are a lot of dumb people in the world, and the people investing for a flexible funded new type of phone concept with equal or better specs to top-shelf smartphones for less than half the price, developed and mass-produced in a matter of weeks/few months by a team of kids who say "building a smartphone and tech company isn't rocket science" - are people who deserve to be scammed out of their money.

At some point, you have to have at least a functioning IQ and if you piss away your hard earned money for perpetual motion machines, well, it's your fault for being dumb  :-DD
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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2014, 10:54:34 am »
Did you notice that on all images the time is exactly "15:56"?
 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2014, 12:55:14 pm »
Did you notice that on all images the time is exactly "15:56"?

Not just "15:56" but "15:56 PM" in many of the images.
Even better in one image it is "15:56 AM"!  :-DD
 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2014, 01:42:21 pm »
Did you notice that on all images the time is exactly "15:56"?

Not just "15:56" but "15:56 PM" in many of the images.
Even better in one image it is "15:56 AM"!  :-DD

even the 15:56 PM is a pure nonsense.... either 15:56 OR 3:56 PM but NOT 15:56 PM ;) so it's a proof that not a single fuck was given while creating the renderings   :-DD
i'm very sorry for all the backers of that scam.

 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2014, 02:47:09 pm »
Haha, just noticed the time.

It even has a 3200mhA battery, wait, yes, milli hours per Amps?
Eh?

And it has the "fastest" multi core processor!
What happens if they bring out a faster one whilst shipping? Trade Descriptions! (Shipping!  :-DD)

Wouldn't it be easier to strap an iPhone or Android phone to your wrist? Might be smaller!

I'll give credit to the graphic artists though.
 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2014, 03:32:07 pm »
And it has the "fastest" multi core processor!

When reading that I imagine something like this:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/Data/2009_8_21/IBM-to-release-first-public-information-on-POWER7/IBM_POWER6plus_675.jpg
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(IBM Power 5GHz Octacore)
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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2014, 03:38:52 pm »
>> too good to be true

I don't see any good. I prefer to read from flat screens and have my mobile device in my pocket rather than on my arm.

What's next, rounded wallets and credit cards that you can carry on your arm?
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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2014, 03:47:51 pm »
It even has a 3200mhA battery, wait, yes, milli hours per Amps?

To be fair, that's just an unconventional unit.  ;) It just means the battery can deliver 1 amp for 3,200 milli-hours or 3.2 hours.  3200 mAh means it can deliver 3,200 milli-amps for one hour ... QED.
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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2014, 05:19:08 pm »
Yes, I expect it is a typo though, I haven't seen any other battery manufacturer of something I presume a LiPo indicating how many milli hours per amp it can deliver. It is possible to rearrange the equation on anything to get the same result.

Is there no protection to the pledger in these kinds of campaigns?  If the product doesn't exist or isn't ever going to exist, is that purely down to the pledgers own initiative to spot a fraud or do the companies running them have an obligation to do seek legal advice after 'n' number of complaints of non-delivery?
 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2014, 07:28:48 pm »
There appears to be no legal recourse other than suing the guys directly, due to such costs it would probably only happen through class action cases. I hope someone makes an example of these scammers soon, because it's really tiring to see honest people lose money - just because they can't spot that something just isn't currently practical or possible. Not everyone is an engineer, and not everyone knows where to research what technologies actually exist, and what don't...

For example, flexible lithium polymer type batteries do exist (my university, the University of Leeds has developed ones) but as far as I'm aware, the capacity is very limited - last I'd heard was on the order of 100mAh max. The problem is to make a larger capacity cell (of cell-phone like dimensions) you need to roll the layers in a manner not unlike making an electrolytic capacitor. Bending the battery then can violate the spacing between the layers, which can lead to short circuits and Bad Thingsā„¢. It's possible to fix the form factor of a LiPo (Nike+ fuelband has curved LiPos) but only during manufacture. It can't be changed while in use.

Curved OLED panels do exist but only in very large sizes (55" for TVs, etc.)  No manufacturer is selling flexible OLED panels of any form factor. Prototypes have been demonstrated at low densities. Many such displays suffer from repeated stress. The bonding on the chip-on-glass fails after many flexing operations, leading to stuck lines on the panel. 

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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2014, 07:36:57 pm »
Ah, seems like it's been nuked by the Indiegogo team. Good!

.... for reasons other than which I expected:

http://www.arubixs.com/press-release/
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Re: too good to be true? The Portal flexible smartphone?
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2014, 10:16:42 pm »
Ah, seems like it's been nuked by the Indiegogo team. Good!

.... for reasons other than which I expected:

http://www.arubixs.com/press-release/

Very strange.

I don't actually see a patent under that guy's name that has the claims he lists.  Furthermore, it's far fetched that his claims describe an actual invention rather than just an idea of how a theoretical device could work.

He sounds like some kind of wannabe patent troll / egghead inventor-wannabe.
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