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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #200 on: April 21, 2016, 08:21:00 am »
So what's the problem about Liquid Oxygen? It's readily available on Amazon and other internet retailers:

http://www.amazon.com/Liquid-Stabilized-Premium-Concentrated-Supplement/dp/B004IJHHL4

Stabilized -- no Dewar needed !    :phew:


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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #201 on: April 21, 2016, 08:48:48 am »
Triton have posted an update.

Before, they had both microfilter and LOX canisters both sides. Now, the useless microfilter is on the left hand side. The Liquid Oxygen is on the right hand side. Apparently, they are always looking for ways to improve Triton.

They are going to make a new video of the "New Look" Triton. I can't wait to see the LOX canisters. I wish they would show the "functional prototype" they made almost a year ago.
 

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #202 on: April 22, 2016, 10:43:01 am »
So what's the problem about Liquid Oxygen? It's readily available on Amazon and other internet retailers:

http://www.amazon.com/Liquid-Stabilized-Premium-Concentrated-Supplement/dp/B004IJHHL4

Stabilized -- no Dewar needed !    :phew:

"Ingredients: High levels of diatomic oxygen stabilized in water."  :-DD :-DD :-DD  120ml of Water for 20 bucks.

But wait it gets better:

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #203 on: April 22, 2016, 02:39:35 pm »
Now they need the LOX to operate the gills to produce more oxygen... or so.  |O

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #204 on: April 22, 2016, 04:28:46 pm »
Their update from a few days ago....

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We want to say sorry for our "Groupie Haters" that we collected along the way since we announced Triton, we have notice that they don't have much to do on their free time then writing negative comments about Triton and us.

A wise man told me once, do you know when you are doing something successful?  that is when you have haters so collect them he said.

Well he was right :)

This update is for our backers/supporters we have the best support ever from you and we will deliver the best Triton on December 2016.

We will put a short video on how the new look of Triton.
This is a amazing time for us and we want to share it with you.

Best regards
Saeed, Jeabyun, John


We are called "Groupie Haters". I like that. I guess anyone with half a brain and some basic understanding of science who asks legitimate questions to these scammers is a hater.   :box:
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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #205 on: April 22, 2016, 07:03:47 pm »
 'Tis the way of the modern world. Disagree with someone, even with plenty of facts to back up your position, and you are a "hater". Doesn't matter what you apply it to - it's the same thing over and over.
 
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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #206 on: April 26, 2016, 08:49:55 am »
The latest Triton "movie" only makes things worse. I have added a few screenshots.

In the exploded view, they forgot do add any holes for the oxygen to actually reach your mouth. Is the green rectangular block the electronics? Must be using uBeam connections.

The second shows as much of the of the LOX cylinder as they were prepared to show. Not surprising as the other end is a real problem. There has to be at least a separate vent and gas outlet - perhaps three ports if a third inlet is needed so the phase converter can be bypassed for filling with LOX. It is still too thin considering the 10mm walls that are needed. The vent has to be designed so that water cannot freeze around it and block the vent - that is not easy or compact to achieve. Outlets are forbidden on the bottom of a LOX container, and they already have them on the side. Makes it interesting to use. They basically haven't even tried.

The LOX cylinder cannot meet any of the minimum requirements to get permits for transport, so you will need to get the LOX refill right at the diving site. I am sure Triton will tell us that they have already arranged for LOX manufacturing and filling sites at every diving location and on every diving boat around the world.  :-DD

Still wont be safe for transport, but apparently it will be safe to give to kids to use next to their faces underwater.
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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #207 on: April 26, 2016, 09:51:18 am »
We are called "Groupie Haters". I like that. I guess anyone with half a brain and some basic understanding of science who asks legitimate questions to these scammers is a hater.   :box:

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #208 on: April 26, 2016, 12:48:13 pm »
Now they have an automatic refunding system in place. If you contribute one buck it will be refunded one to two seconds later. Maybe they also kick people which wrote "negative" comments in the past.
I'm wondering if IGG helped them with this functionality or if they scripted it.
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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #209 on: April 26, 2016, 08:19:51 pm »
And in the last 4 hours it is heating up...

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #210 on: April 26, 2016, 10:19:27 pm »
I've said it before and I say it again....

Companies like Kickstarter and IndieGogo may be inadvertantly funneling money to fraudsters or criminals.... or worse... terrorism. I understand they take a 3rd party "we are not accountable" status and all backers must be aware that if things go sour, they are out of luck with any help whatsoever. I get it.

However...

Me thinks the U.S. GOVERNMENT would take a very keen interest in following the flow of money, especially to regions of the world that fund terrorism or there is organized crime involved.

If IndieGogo can be shown to indirectly be permitting the funding of terrorists, I think they would get slapped so hard they will never recover.

I'm not trying to point any blame to the Triton guys, who claim they are in Sweden. Nevermind that some users seem to think they are in Dubai. And I certainly don't want to accuse people to supporting or tied to any such thing just because of where they live or what ethnicity or religion they are.

But...

Shouldn't these companies (IndieGogo) be required to show where their money is going? They pay taxes, right? They must show money flowing out of the U.S. to foreign accounts, and lots of it. Many of these foreign accounts, owned by individuals with unknown motivations and possibly anonymous bank accounts.

Also.... Let's not forget that tax evasion is a criminal activity, and that some of these people being funded are not putting into place proper accounting practices, any kind of disclosure, and all other regular business practices that are required.

 :palm:

While I love the idea of crowd-funding, we will come to remember in a few years that this was just another example of greed and lack of accountability (with no proper systems in place to prevent major issues)... Much like the mortgage crisis/bubble, the derivatives bubble, and all other financial instrument bubbles and scams that have plagued our financial world. Crowd-funding is awesome, but it needs to have certain checks and balances and safe-guards in place.

[edit:] Companies fail and things don't always work out financially. But they claim BANKRUPTCY and the people who lost the money cannot borrow again for a long time. They have their assets liquidated, their house or collateral taken away, they are punished and held accountable. That somehow makes people less "loose" with money and a bit more likely to be responsible. That also means you don't sleep at night, you sweat buckets, you yell at people for not doing their job, etc.... that's what you do when you risk losing the shirt off your back and ending up screwed over.  :scared:

I do seem to remember a few failed campaigns where the inventors became very depressed and even risked committing suicide.... So I know there are genuine honest people out there who crowd-fund and really feel obligated and responsible. But how many don't? At least if an institution lends you money, you should have a team of specialists who evaluate the project and help solve problems.... much like "incubators" who provide assistance in making sure the projects develop to fruition or at least evaluate projects before they start to ensure that it is even feasible.

It seems to me that as far as problems go, crowd-funding abuse is not really a major issue in the eyes of the government. However, if there is terrorism-related funding going on, a whole new set of priorities are given to this. I don't like necessarily the "terrorism" excuse either to allow government to do whatever they want either, but then again... who knows how many millions of dollars have ended up in the hands of organized cyber-crime rings, terrorists and others.

DO YOU THINK INDIEGOGO KNOWS WHO IS A TERRORIST OR CYBER-SCAMMER?

Anybody half way across the world can make some bull-$h!t device, claim it works, get lucky and raise a pile of money... and then uses it to fund a war. How does IndieGogo know? All you need is some good photoshop and 3D rendering skills... Make a new smartwatch, make a hoverboard, make a cool looking cellphone, make a projector tablet/watch/camera, make a VR headset, 3D display, solar charger, and numerous other "cool" gadgets and pay to get them promoted, and raise a ton of money. Seems nobody is fact-checking or science-checking or even tracking where the money goes.... Except it could end up causing death, destruction and mayhem.

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #211 on: April 27, 2016, 05:52:39 pm »
Has anyone seen this already? I just noticed it:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/triton-world-s-last-artificial-gills-scam#/

Things are heating up on the website, plus a lot of other sites:  http://tritonclaimants.spacecrafted.com/
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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #212 on: April 27, 2016, 06:03:52 pm »
Hopefully you get free bagels with your LOX.  :-DD
 

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #213 on: April 27, 2016, 06:49:36 pm »
Has anyone seen this already? I just noticed it:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/triton-world-s-last-artificial-gills-scam#/

Things are heating up on the website, plus a lot of other sites:  http://tritonclaimants.spacecrafted.com/

 :-DD :-DD :-DD

Those fucking idiots!  They have DONATED money!  They have not "invested" nor "purchased" anything. 
 

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #214 on: May 03, 2016, 08:43:11 pm »

..................and............................  They're funded.  :palm:

To the tune of $447,877 USD thus far.

Now the long.... long.... long wait.....  :popcorn:    ...........  :=\
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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #215 on: May 07, 2016, 05:37:16 am »
So, perhaps an interesting plot twist.


When I go to the campaign page:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/world-s-first-artificial-gills-oxygen-respirator--2/coming_soon#/

I get a landing page that has their (fake) product picture, and says "Coming soon to Indiegogo" and a box to enter my email address and get on a mailing list.

So it appears IGG pulled the campaign again?  I am guessing they were waiting for some reason but pulled it prior to disbursing any funds.

Were any EEVblog members backers and can confirm if they were refunded? 
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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #216 on: May 07, 2016, 07:29:16 am »
It is what I was expecting, but I didn't think they would wait until the campaign had ended. The problem Indiegogo has is that they have received a pile of messages over many weeks describing the many ways in which this campaign does not meet the Indiegogo rules and the reasons that the product is impossible to manufacture, and they have replied to these messages by email saying they will use the information that has been sent in in a review of the project. They no longer had any ability to claim ignorance.

If they do not fully refund the money, I think they would have no defence against a legal action. I suspect they are now playing a game so they do not get sued by Triton. I hope people get their money back soon, and I hope it is the last we see of Triton.
 

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #217 on: May 07, 2016, 08:05:12 am »
So, perhaps an interesting plot twist.
When I go to the campaign page:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/world-s-first-artificial-gills-oxygen-respirator--2/coming_soon#/
I get a landing page that has their (fake) product picture, and says "Coming soon to Indiegogo" and a box to enter my email address and get on a mailing list.
So it appears IGG pulled the campaign again?  I am guessing they were waiting for some reason but pulled it prior to disbursing any funds.

It seems that way, can anyone confirm?
 

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #218 on: May 07, 2016, 10:49:39 pm »
Hmm a thought, could these funding sites hold off killing the scam until the turn of the month to gain bank interest on it, then kill it and refund the principle afterwards?

I'm getting curious with how long they take to pull them.
 

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #219 on: May 08, 2016, 12:35:16 am »
Hmm a thought, could these funding sites hold off killing the scam until the turn of the month to gain bank interest on it, then kill it and refund the principle afterwards?

I'm getting curious with how long they take to pull them.

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« Reply #220 on: May 08, 2016, 12:45:36 am »
I was wondering why www.eevblog.com was embedded in the Triton "coming soon" page (looks like they put up the "coming soon" page from the first revamp).

If I go to http://www.Indiegogo.com , and go to the bottom of the page, there are a few links - one is "Generosity". If I copy the link, I get this:

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Looks like they cache the referrer that takes you to Indiegogo and add it to the Generosity link as the referrer. This still happens even if I go to Indiegogo directly on the same browser, so it seems that somehow the last referrer is remembered. I guess it is harmless.
 

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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #221 on: May 08, 2016, 01:39:32 am »
Hmm a thought, could these funding sites hold off killing the scam until the turn of the month to gain bank interest on it, then kill it and refund the principle afterwards?

I'm getting curious with how long they take to pull them.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!


I don't think it works that way. At least, there would be minimal advantage to IndieGogo, if any. For one, if the credit card company charges backers immediately, say $100, then the processing fee of say around 2% means that IndieGogo only gets $98 out of that $100 for each backer. Let's say they negotiate a really good deal, say 1% processing, they still lose $1 on each $100 they collect. That's not an issue because they are not keeping the money... they pass it on to the campaign creator. It's the campaign creator who loses the card processing fees.

Then when it comes time to pay campaign creators, they take a portion (say 5%) plus tack on the processing fee (say 2%) so 7% gets taken off the top. The campaign creators get $93 out of every $100 that is collected. That's fine, IndieGogo gets their cut, and credit card processor gets their cut. That's if cards get processed immediately.

Now imagine if they didn't actually process any cards until the campaign got funded. That makes more sense. They would simply have an approval system with the credit card company. I'm not sure because I've never backed an IndieGogo campaign, so I don't know if it shows up on your credit card statement immediately or not. In any case, that would mean IndieGogo actually never has any money at all. So they wouldn't have any money to "invest" and gain interest on. So there is again no advantage for them to wait because they aren't making a profit since they never charged anybody in the first place if they are "refunding" or cancelling a campaign.

Now back to the first scenario... If IndieGogo has to refund money, they can't keep a cut. They have to pay back the full $100 to each and every backer. So they lose at least the credit card processing fee.... Once again, unless they have some incredible deal under the table with them, to return processing fees on refunds and "undo" everything at no cost. Most small businesses still get the "hit" on processing fees when they need to refund clients. It's not the processing company's fault, they did their job. It's between the merchant and client. So for example if I charge someone $100, then something happens and I have to refund them $100, I still only got $98 and refunded $100, so I actually lose $2 every time someone returns something, through no fault of my own. That burns, but it's been factored into the price of goods and happens rarely.

So assuming they get the money immediately, and unless IndieGogo is stashing the money away and getting some incredibly good interest in a few months, they are not going to get back their 1% to 2% processing fee from the credit companies. They'd have to be getting 12% interest per year on their investment to gain 1% per month that they held your money.

I don't think it's in IndieGogo's best interest to hold on to any money (or even process any cards) unless things get funded and have a good chance of being accepted by backers. They would not want to let things go that far because they are simply getting dinged with credit card processing fees and need to return full amounts to backers. The longer and more money something gets, they more they will lose in card processing fees that they can't get back. Unless there is some special arrangement behind the scenes with card processors, IndieGogo will be losing money on refunded campaigns. Maybe not a lot, but on a $1,000,000 campaign, even 0.5% is $5000. They only stand to win anything by letting campaigns complete so they get their cut.
 
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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #222 on: May 08, 2016, 04:20:44 pm »
Indigogo needs 2 weeks until they handover the money, they not say why but maybe they did some diligence during the last week and decided to boot them again.
I'm quite sure that all backers got refunded, it would be a crime if not.
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Re: Triton Artificial Gills
« Reply #223 on: May 09, 2016, 01:47:16 pm »
A message from Indiegogo  posted on the Indiegogo Triton Scam Campaign
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/triton-world-s-last-artificial-gills-scam#/comments

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Over a month ago, our Trust and Safety team reached out to the Triton team in response to numerous questions from our community surrounding the the claims made in their most recent campaign. Despite our repeated requests to substantiate these claims, the Triton team have not been able to comply, and we have decided to refund all contributions to the campaign.
 

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« Reply #224 on: May 09, 2016, 01:57:26 pm »
A message from Indiegogo  posted on the Indiegogo Triton Scam Campaign
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/triton-world-s-last-artificial-gills-scam#/comments
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Hello,
Over a month ago, our Trust and Safety team reached out to the Triton team in response to numerous questions from our community surrounding the the claims made in their most recent campaign. Despite our repeated requests to substantiate these claims, the Triton team have not been able to comply, and we have decided to refund all contributions to the campaign.

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