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Products => Crowd Funded Projects => Topic started by: Jebnor on August 16, 2013, 12:05:00 am
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Dave, you are making money on this right? I know it's not overly expensive for PCBs to be made, but at the rate it's going, there may be many hours of mailing ahead. Just let us know that you are making a living wage on this. AU$15 for 5 is a great deal I think.
And now I wait for the delivery sometime in late september.
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They cost about 70 cents in volume. Could be cheaper, but that's what I'm paying.
Postage would be AU$2.60 from Oz to US if sent as a letter (which you technically aren't allowed to do, but it works)
The problem is when you get hundreds of people who want one and you spend a couple of days stuffing envelopes.
For 2 boards sent to the US:
Material costs: cost of a board * quantity of boards + postage
Material costs: $0.7*2 + $2.60 = $4.
Remainder after material cost = $8.86 (after paypal etc fees) - $4 = $4.86.
Effective pay per hour before tax: boardsSentPerHour * $4.86
*Note that with 5 rulers for $15 the increased cost of $5 is less than the increased material cost of the extra boards.
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WHere did that quote come from? I must have missed it.
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Just let us know that you are making a living wage on this. AU$15 for 5 is a great deal I think.
Like I said in the other thread, costing is:
For a $10 order of two boards:
$8.86 after fees
-$2 for the boards
-$2.60 for the stamp
-$0.03 for envelope
-$0.02 for label
$4.21 profit for stuffing one envelope.
Worth it? :-//
Then I pay 30% tax on that.
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Suggestion for next time - do them as a snappable panel, include space in the waste for an address label. No need for an an envelope - just label and post!
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Suggestion for next time - do them as a snappable panel, include space in the waste for an address label. No need for an an envelope - just label and post!
Several reasons why that's not desirable:
Snappable panel is not good for a ruler, you need clean routed edges.
You pay more for the board area.
It is very questionable whether Aust Post will accept that. It is not clear that you even allowed to send anything but dead tree in an envelope, depends who you ask. Such a board would raise a red flag instantly (no pun intended) at every step of the delivery process.
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It is very questionable whether Aust Post will accept that. It is not clear that you even allowed to send anything but dead tree in an envelope, depends who you ask. Such a board would raise a red flag instantly (no pun intended) at every step of the delivery process.
Not to mention scratching the rulers while in transit.
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Mission creep.
Why not add a few SOIC>DIL & SSOP>DIL pads in an (underused) area, just for those emergencies.
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Suggestion for next time - do them as a snappable panel, include space in the waste for an address label. No need for an an envelope - just label and post!
Several reasons why that's not desirable:
Snappable panel is not good for a ruler, you need clean routed edges.
You pay more for the board area.
It is very questionable whether Aust Post will accept that. It is not clear that you even allowed to send anything but dead tree in an envelope, depends who you ask. Such a board would raise a red flag instantly (no pun intended) at every step of the delivery process.
Appreciate all the above - I wasn't being entirely serious...
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just ordered my 5 rulers. Probably give a few away to friends ;)
Had something similar to this from a pcb supplier but unfortunately they put the drill holes in the middle of the ruler and not at one end like dave has done it ;)
regards
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I seem to have missed this project? Where can they be ordered from? I've done a search on "uRuler" but nothing much is coming up.
Martin.
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http://www.eevblog.com/2013/08/15/eevblog-µruler-now-available/ (http://www.eevblog.com/2013/08/15/eevblog-µruler-now-available/)
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/dave's-pcb-rulers/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/dave's-pcb-rulers/)
http://www.pozible.com/project/31806 (http://www.pozible.com/project/31806)
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I seem to have missed this project? Where can they be ordered from? I've done a search on "uRuler" but nothing much is coming up.
Martin.
http://www.pozible.com/project/31806 (http://www.pozible.com/project/31806)
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Thanks, ordered 5 ,don't know why my search didn't work.
Martin.
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The search on this forum is quite useless in my opinion. Searching with Google using "site:eevblog.com" works much better.
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Suggestion for next time - do them as a snappable panel, include space in the waste for an address label. No need for an an envelope - just label and post!
Several reasons why that's not desirable:
Snappable panel is not good for a ruler, you need clean routed edges.
You pay more for the board area.
It is very questionable whether Aust Post will accept that. It is not clear that you even allowed to send anything but dead tree in an envelope, depends who you ask. Such a board would raise a red flag instantly (no pun intended) at every step of the delivery process.
Appreciate all the above - I wasn't being entirely serious...
Well, in Germany you can do it...
http://www.heise.de/hardware-hacks/projekte/Contact-me-1745708.html?view=zoom;zoom=1 (http://www.heise.de/hardware-hacks/projekte/Contact-me-1745708.html?view=zoom;zoom=1)
It was really delivered like that ;D
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Suggestion for next time - do them as a snappable panel, include space in the waste for an address label. No need for an an envelope - just label and post!
Several reasons why that's not desirable:
Snappable panel is not good for a ruler, you need clean routed edges.
You pay more for the board area.
It is very questionable whether Aust Post will accept that. It is not clear that you even allowed to send anything but dead tree in an envelope, depends who you ask. Such a board would raise a red flag instantly (no pun intended) at every step of the delivery process.
Appreciate all the above - I wasn't being entirely serious...
Well, in Germany you can do it...
http://www.heise.de/hardware-hacks/projekte/Contact-me-1745708.html?view=zoom;zoom=1 (http://www.heise.de/hardware-hacks/projekte/Contact-me-1745708.html?view=zoom;zoom=1)
It was really delivered like that ;D
...I can almost hear of lots of EEVBloggers rummaging around to see what old crap they have lying aroud that they can put a stamp on to see if it makes it to Dave's PO box.... maybe that's a competition in the making...
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I printed a postcard on Photo paper front and back and it arrived safely through the post from SA to Martin Lorton.
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I may try etching a PCB with his address and electronic postage label :-)
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I wonder why i get
>>Your payment can not be completed because one of the recipients at this time can not receive payments.<<
on paypal ?
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I wonder why i get
>>Your payment can not be completed because one of the recipients at this time can not receive payments.<<
on paypal ?
I have the same problem. Some googling around seems to indicate it may be a currency conversion problem.
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I get the same, but in Dutch: "Uw betaling kan niet worden voltooid omdat een van de ontvangers momenteel geen betalingen kan accepteren."
It shows me the amount of € so it looks like the conversion is ok.
Is Dave's PayPal account full? :-//
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Someone go and wake up Dave! :scared: He is missing on uRuler purchases/donations.
When my 5 pcs of uRuler finally arrive, how can I proctect them from nasty fingers which etch away the gold and copper (through scratches) over time? Or should I wash my uRuler in IPA or acetone after each use? Use medical whipes? And put them in a silk pouch after each use?
I want the properties of uRuler to remain the same, not become stiff or anything, and still remain very straight on the edges.
Also like someone pointed out on youtube, is it safe to put precious uRulers loose in same envelope? What if they will be scratched? Has Dave done thorough testing on maybe five (5) uRulers in a same envelope and used steppermotors/servos to toss it around for 24h or something? Cheap Chinese pcb houses usually have some kind on shrinkwrap around pcbs, so they don't flop around and scratch each other in the package. Has Sagan thoroughly tested uRulers to be safe and suitable for long time use?
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That's not funny.
But a sagan review should be XD
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$4.21 profit for stuffing one envelope.
Worth it? :-//
Then I pay 30% tax on that.
I do hope you're joking.
30% tax on $4.20 means you get to keep $2.94.
I'm assuming you can do at least 1 envelope a minute that'll be $176.4 per hour.
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Well these are sort of donations to Dave, I think everyone understands that. In return we get something tangible, and this was my first crowdfunding campaign to contribute. I'm really happy to have waited this long for something worth it. :-+
To be honest these would have costed around the same if not more if many people had ordered their own in small quantities, now Dave gets the profits for his own work, and people are happy to support him. Also this is like a practise for Dave into his new µcurrent product which he plans to crowdfund also on pozible. I'm really looking forward on that, provided the price stays affordable.
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Well these are sort of donations to Dave, I think everyone understands that. In return we get something tangible, and this was my first crowdfunding campaign to contribute. I'm really happy to have waited this long for something worth it. :-+
To be honest these would have costed around the same if not more if many people had ordered their own in small quantities, now Dave gets the profits for his own work, and people are happy to support him. Also this is like a practise for Dave into his new µcurrent product which he plans to crowdfund also on pozible. I'm really looking forward on that, provided the price stays affordable.
I'm not saying he isn't entitled to it but he acts like he's going trough this huge trouble for a few cents.
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I'm not saying he isn't entitled to it but he acts like he's going trough this huge trouble for a few cents.
He might be leaving something out from his calculations, or just factors in hidden costs he might have forgotten, maybe he was planning to outsource the boring stuff of stuffing envelopes, which might have eaten up his whole profit. Or he just really hates stuffing envelopes, and no amount of money is going to make it worth to him. :-DD
If you are going to make "$176.4 per hour" we want to see you suffer with those envelopes. :-DD
(post atleast video or pictures of you gigantic mountain of envelopes and uRulers, just for fun, show those indiegogo dodgy campaigns how to work it)
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Oh darn, I did not had money earlier today, and now when I have enough currency, "Your payment can not be completed because one of the recipients at this time can not receive payments" appeared. I don't know if it is paypalls problem, or something like that, or if there is limit. I really hope to get one, from the first time Dave showed these "exclusive goodies", so handy looking, no need for multiple size sheets and tables anymore, and is geeky most importantly.
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I do hope you're joking.
30% tax on $4.20 means you get to keep $2.94.
I'm assuming you can do at least 1 envelope a minute that'll be $176.4 per hour.
I do hope you're joking. WTF do you think "per hour" even means if it's not a regular job? ??? That's like saying I'm being paid $14400 per hour if somebody hands me a $20 bill and it takes him five seconds to do it.....
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I do hope you're joking.
30% tax on $4.20 means you get to keep $2.94.
I'm assuming you can do at least 1 envelope a minute that'll be $176.4 per hour.
I do hope you're joking. WTF do you think "per hour" even means if it's not a regular job? ??? That's like saying I'm being paid $14,400 per hour if somebody hands me a $20 bill and it takes him five seconds to do it.....
Yeah except taking 20$ isn't actually work, stuffing 1274 envelopes (currently) is.
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That makes it more valid to criticize him?
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I do hope you're joking. WTF do you think "per hour" even means if it's not a regular job? ??? That's like saying I'm being paid $14,400 per hour if somebody hands me a $20 bill and it takes him five seconds to do it.....
There are many ways to to think about it, we could say this is small part of the time spent building his fan base and making videos over his whole time with the blog. But Dave has addressed he does this for fun, or atleast did in the beginning. Someone interested should calculate how much that makes if he has worked full time with his blog for a while now?
I'm actually thinking of getting another 5 set of rulers, because I don't know if these are going to be available in the future. 5 rulers for 3$ each, against all the hundreds of episodes I have watched, some episode I've watched again because they make more sense the more I watch his videos. All the information I've learned the funny way from Dave talking and showing stuff, where I live education is free(high taxes) , but for Dave teaching stuff it's worth to pay.
Sometimes I watch episodes of Eevblog instead of some super popular primetime TV shows, because Dave is real and I can learn stuff, or just have fun watching, most of primetime popular TV shows are just the same thing over and over again and in the end there is just emptyness.
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Last I checked, most humans in the world didn't have "a regular job" that paid, say, an hourly wage for "full time" work. Try telling a farmer that s/he shouldn't consider the return vs time of a project.
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Last I checked, most humans in the world didn't have "a regular job" that paid, say, an hourly wage for "full time" work. Try telling a farmer that s/he shouldn't consider the return vs time of a project.
I know most farmers do it for fun, it is their way of living. If they didn't have their way of living, what would they do? European union pays royalties for the land they own, sometimes it's better to actually do nothing and get paid more.
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Last I checked, most humans in the world didn't have "a regular job" that paid, say, an hourly wage for "full time" work. Try telling a farmer that s/he shouldn't consider the return vs time of a project.
But measuring it in dollars per hour makes no sense when you spend most hours not doing it. The numbers are completely incomparable to any other $/hr number. Criticizing someone for complaining about doing something by pointing out what it's worth in $/hr is dumb, the number doesn't mean anything.
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You also have to factor the time spent as ancillary, like going out to buy the envelopes and the time it takes to go drop them off at the post office ( Au post is like ours and will bend you over without lube if they have to come collect) and to bundle them per country ( postal rules for bulk mail, even if they just whip the rubber bands off and toss them in a sorter right there) as well as the fuel costs and such. He also has to eat, drink and so what comes naturally as a result, as well as seal these envelopes. Stuffing much more than 200 envelopes an hour is not easy, you can do it for the first hour but after that the overheads start to accumulate. As well the labels will be time consuming, along with the stamps unless he is using a self adhesive one.
Reminds me, anybody want to see a tear down of a postal franking machine? The one at work went out of use as they were obsoleted supplies wise, so it is now on a shelf waiting for me to take the camera to it. Now we just buy boxes of stamps at the local post office 50m away or just get them to frank.
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Reminds me, anybody want to see a tear down of a
yes.
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Better remember tomorrow to get some packs of AA cells then, and get some hand cleaner ready for the afternoon then. Messy red ink rollers there. Will do so after work in the spare time between ending work and closing up.
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Yup, Paypal suspended my premium business account. Pozible suggested that may happen.
Had to reset all my passwords and security stuff and all that.
I can access my account, but not sure if it's actually working again, anyone?
It's too early for their business phone support.
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Seems to be working, just sent $1 and no error message.
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It is still giving me the finger when I try to pay :--
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My Paypal says completed, possible it has not rippled through to all the servers yet in the network. Even got the email confirmations.
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I'm not saying he isn't entitled to it but he acts like he's going trough this huge trouble for a few cents.
Guess what why professional hourly contract rate used to be...
I'd rather be making content than stuffing envelopes.
There is more important things in life than money.
I did this on impulse thinking I'd keep a few hundred people happy with rulers who have asked for them, now it's in the thousands and doesn't look like being a small bit of satisfying fun any more.
But hey, that's my problem, not yours.
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Yup, Paypal suspended my premium business account. Pozible suggested that may happen.
Had to reset all my passwords and security stuff and all that.
I can access my account, but not sure if it's actually working again, anyone?
It's too early for their business phone support.
Your payment can't be completed because one of the receivers can't accept payments at this time.
Just tried again, still receiving this error message. Same result when choosing instant bank transfer and credit card payment methods.
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Also this is like a practise for Dave into his new µcurrent product which he plans to crowdfund also on pozible.
Yes, it's a good chance to see how the whole pozible thing works and how streamlined the process can be made. Simply getting names and addresses onto stickers is a huge deal.
Anything else like the uCurrent adds another huge step of customs declarations.
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Hey folks, I'm also trying to order uRuler and getting the error:
Your payment can't be completed because one of the receivers can't accept payments at this time.
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Wonder if you could get PCBcart to pack the envelopes at Chinese labour prices ;D
I reckon with a decent process you should be able to pack & label in about 10-15 seconds. You should be able to the whole lot in a day easily, including going to the Post Office.
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Also this is like a practise for Dave into his new µcurrent product which he plans to crowdfund also on pozible.
Yes, it's a good chance to see how the whole pozible thing works and how streamlined the process can be made. Simply getting names and addresses onto stickers is a huge deal.
Anything else like the uCurrent adds another huge step of customs declarations.
Well, i'm sure there is a way to automatize the process of print from csv.
Excell can do it, and varius laser printer software also.
A serius label printer will save you a huge amount to throuble and it's only like 80$
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My account is now able to accept money, but cannot send or withdraw, so the 5% Pozible withdrawal is not working, and that's why it's still failing I suspect.
It will not work until I re-verify my bank account.
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You know, while several other members are giving their $.02, or pissing and moaning about your profits vs. workload and how happy YOU should be to be doing this for us, I'd just like to say:
Dave,
Thanks for CHOOSING to have another batch of rulers made, I've wanted to snag one since the first time I saw them, and now I have 5. :-+
Thanks for CHOOSING to offer them so reasonably priced, shipping included.
Thanks for CHOOSING to stuff these into envelopes and mail them to all of us. My Grandpa was a mailer, and I've stuffed enough envelopes to know that a even few hundred STILL would have been a pain in the ass, much less the volume you now face. Take your time, I'll wait patiently.
You see, people, Dave knew this was going to be a pain and take time away from producing content (even before the #s went sky high) and he CHOSE to do it for us anyway. Maybe some of you should just accept the fact that somebody has gone out of their way to do something nice for you and shut up. Dave, I'll gladly wait to be the last batch shipped if need be, I appreciate what you are doing for us. THANKS!
In retrospect, I should have probably told you that you suck so that Citizen doesn't think I'm on the payroll... :-DD
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I have enabled merchant credit card facility on my campaign using Pozible's system, bypassing this PayPal rubbish for those who want that option.
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I have enabled merchant credit card facility on my campaign using Pozible's system, bypassing this PayPal rubbish for those who want that option.
I just took advantage of this, thanks. Keep up the good work.
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Credit card worked, thank you so much! Great project.
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There is more important things in life than money.
I did this on impulse thinking I'd keep a few hundred people happy with rulers who have asked for them, now it's in the thousands and doesn't look like being a small bit of satisfying fun any more.
It is a good way to support you. :-+ Thanks a lot and keep up the good work :clap:
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A serius label printer will save you a huge amount to throuble and it's only like 80$
For bulk mailings, A4 label sheets in a laser printer are the quickest, easiest & cheapest. Even ancient MS Word will merge from a CSV file to make labels this way.
Label printers really score for the odd 1-off or small quantity, for bulk mailings they are slow and expensive.
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WOW! The human at PayPal in the Indian call centre actually fixed my account on the spot.
I'm stunned!
Should all be working again.
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For those that begrudge Dave a small "profit" for his troubles (which doesn't amount to a huge amount considering all the time and effort involved), Dave has been kind enough to post the Gerber files for the ruler. You can download the files and have them made at virtually any fab house.
Of course the price for a small quantity will be much more than Dave charges. Dave's providing a service to keep the cost low for everybody.
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Well, i'm sure there is a way to automatize the process of print from csv.
A serius label printer will save you a huge amount to throuble and it's only like 80$
Yes, I have a Dymo 450 Turbo, and Pozible exports directly to CSV. No drama.
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WOW! The human at PayPal in the Indian call centre actually fixed my account on the spot.
this is the ultimative proof, Dave is a terrible liar :)
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I'm starting to wonder if this is going to reach 1000% funded...
-kizzap
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I think uRuler would already have 1000% funded without paypal interruption. That video post really speed things up.
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Dave,
Don't you have temp labor offices there? Or the Ozzie version of Craigslist? Seems like you could hire a temp for a week or two (or a couple of out-of-work types looking to make a few bucks) and get some envelopes stuffed?
Or has the insanity of government made hiring labor so onerous that it's not feasible?
Congrats on the success :)
I am baffled by people who grudge anyone making a profit. I ordered, IIRC, 5 uRulers. I think Dave underpriced them... I'd have happily paid more.
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I just got myself 5! :D
I made a similar ruler 15years ago when doing a lot of PCB, extremely useful! Everyone should get one.
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Mine just went through.
Thanks, Dave!
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I have enabled merchant credit card facility on my campaign using Pozible's system, bypassing this PayPal rubbish for those who want that option.
Thank you Dave.
ps.
Please send my orders separately. If not i will be paying a hefty TAX fine !
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Maybe the ?Current can be next? It doesn't seem to be available anymore.
Not that I want Dave to spend all his time stuffing envelopes.
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Guess what my professional hourly contract rate used to be...
I'd rather be making content than stuffing envelopes.
There is more important things in life than money.
I did this on impulse thinking I'd keep a few hundred people happy with rulers who have asked for them, now it's in the thousands and doesn't look like being a small bit of satisfying fun any more.
But hey, that's my problem, not yours.
I have some suggestions:
1/ Turn it into fun and content, by live streaming the whole exercise of envelope stuffing and chatting to us the whole time.
2/ Pay a few school kids a few bucks to do the stuffing for you... Pity Sagan's still a bit young to stuff envelopes. ;)
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I'm starting to wonder if this is going to reach 1000% funded...
I doubt it. The usual tail for the new video views would be past, so it should start to slow down fairly dramatically from here.
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a raw video like when you was doing the ucurrent should be nice.
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A premium pay-per-view live stream of Dave stuffing envelopes. Content.
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The shipping info on Pozible is a bit weird, no City field but Suburb and State, both mandatory. I hope it works...
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The shipping info on Pozible is a bit weird, no City field but Suburb and State, both mandatory. I hope it works...
Likewise often weird for anything US address form related for us aussies.
You guys don't ever order from Oz, so it's a culture shock :P
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This is now well into the amount where it would make sense to hire a lettershop service. Apart from being able to print labels and stuff envelopes and seal them far quicker than you ever could, you can also use their postage meter and possibly profit from the discount they have with the post office.
Where I am from, this is often offered by workshops for the handicapped/disabled, so there is also social value in doing so. Perhaps there are similar facilities in Australia.
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Having done bulk mailing in the past, doing 2k of envelopes is hard. You spend a long time just getting set up with one table for blank boxed envelopes, one for the stuffing and a third to pack the sealed ones in. Same again for the labelling and placing the stamps. We were using 5 people to do this, sending out about 10k of envelopes and this took a week of work from the initial printing of the inserts to the final trip to the main post office to do the bulk delivery in bags.
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Yeah, we don't want you get bored from this typing printing and shipping envelopes.
We all want you frizzy and funky for the next mailbag, teardown, ff, minishot video or whatever.
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Hell If Dave needs some help organising postage he can send a whole lot of stuff to me and I'll help stuff envelopes.
-kizzap
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939% with 37 hours to go, shit dave you are going to be stuffing envelopes until xmas.
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Good thing we already have many dodgy campaigns with wonderful excuses to use incase of a late delivery... not that Dave would ever do such a thing. ^-^
One thing to take from the playbook of mu thermal:
"Oh I'm tweaking the font on my label maker to get the absolutely best clarity to make sure your mail will be delivered in time to right address, just tell us your thoughts about this, maybe we could start a poll on which font to use." :-DD
(note: this joke makes fun of mu thermal and is by no means ment to offend Dave)
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One thing to take from the playbook of mu thermal:
"Oh I'm tweaking the font on my label maker to get the absolutely best clarity to make sure your mail will be delivered in time to right address, just tell us your thoughts about this, maybe we could start a poll on which font to use." :-DD
*snort* :-DD
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939% with 37 hours to go, shit dave you are going to be stuffing envelopes until xmas.
Holy crap, yeah, it might just break 1000% after all... :palm:
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Is there no upper cap on this? :o
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I've been told it's official, the campaign is the most supported in Pozible history! :-+
All for a bloody PCB ruler! :wtf:
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"if you build it, they will come"
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947% now! Come on people, let's break 1000%! :box:
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The eevblog version of the k-tel chop-o-matic. Crazy, but good for you Dave, hopefully you will have some other pcb hits to help you out over the years.
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All for a bloody PCB ruler! :wtf:
LOL. Ponycon got funded a few days ago. If my little pony can get cash, the ruler should be a shoe in.
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Hey, Dave. I know there are a lot of rulers and I know you haven't all day. If there are way too many rulers to get out by the estimated time frame, no worries. I know a bit nerdy/geeky, but if on my order you're still able to autograph both (you can match it up to my credentials here), I'd be happy to wait longer if necessary. That way you can still get to all those other envelopes. I'll be busy in the meantime with my calculus class.
Keep taking them apart! (:
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I know a bit nerdy/geeky, but if on my order you're still able to autograph both (you can match it up to my credentials here), I'd be happy to wait longer if necessary.
I would also like mine (5 pcs) autographed, or maybe just one which I will not use. There should have been an option on the project page.
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Autographed....? Do you two have any idea how much work this already is going to be? And how much an additional, non-automated step derails an automated process, which I assume he will be doing to some extent?
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Maybe Dave could work with one of the companies that batch manufactures PCBs, so that they manufacture the circuit boards and ship them directly to the project supporters. That way Dave doesn't have to be stuffing envelopes for forever.
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The only hope in hell of getting an autographed ruler would be to have the signature printed on them as part of the silkscreen. If one person asks for a favour... well one leads to another, and another, and another... This very Pozible campaign demonstrates exactly that. A few people asked Dave for the chance to buy a ruler or two so he started the campaign, now it has turned in to a bit of a monster.
I'm happy to wait for my rulers (yes, I am part of the monster) if things turn out to be unmanagable in the timeframe originally provided.
P.S. The next AmpHour should be interesting... :scared:
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Dave's ruler empire! I can't wait to get mine, I can tell already it's going to be insanely helpful! When the 1 foot version comes out I will get it too hehe :-+. (Only A$22 from 1000%!)
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Maybe Dave could work with one of the companies that batch manufactures PCBs
You can't get these rulers batch made (i.e. as part of a snap out panel), they need to be fully routed to get the smooth edges.
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Dave's ruler empire! I can't wait to get mine, I can tell already it's going to be insanely helpful! When the 1 foot version comes out I will get it too hehe :-+. (Only A$22 from 1000%!)
it is A$522 from 1000%
A$25000 = 1000%
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Maybe Dave could work with one of the companies that batch manufactures PCBs
You can't get these rulers batch made (i.e. as part of a snap out panel), they need to be fully routed to get the smooth edges.
The idea would not be to use them for batching to reduce the price, just to see if you could get them to manufacture the boards(without batching), give them a list of addresses, and have them deal with shipping out the boards. I'd imagine it would not be terribly hard for them because a lot of them already have a system set where they send 3-5 boards to many different people.
But, you definitely know more about this than I do.
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I imagine the scene when he told the missus (he did tell the missus, didn't he?):
Honey?
Yes, darling?
Do we have any plans for Christmas vacation?
Well, not really. But what about that Caribbean cruise we though about?
Ah, I was more thinking about stuffing envelopes.
*BAM*
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Daveeeeeeeeeeee give them to a shipping companyyyyyyyy
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10% till 1000%!!!
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Launch a related new project just to fund the envelope stuffing & sending ? >:D ... j/k
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Wasn't asked by Pozible about a name for the shipping address. That might get ... interesting, unless Dave uses the name from my PP account.
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Wasn't asked by Pozible about a name for the shipping address. That might get ... interesting, unless Dave uses the name from my PP account.
IIRC you had to put your name in to register?
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IIRC you had to put your name in to register?
Ah right, seems I need new batteries for my short term memory. ^-^
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here's the NOTE that was in the project description ( did you not read it )
NOTE: Make sure you fill in your postal address details into the Pozible system AFTER the PayPal transaction (don't just close your browser once payment is complete). You can't rely on your PayPal address. No Pozible address = no boards!
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here's the NOTE that was in the project description ( did you not read it )
Yes I did. The form you see after paying doesn't ask for your name, *just* the address. ::)
[Which is a bit of bad UI design on part of Pozible. It is very likely some people would want different names on their accounts and ship-to addresses.]
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999% $24,978 - 30 hours to go, Dave could you post a picture of the corner of the EEVBLOG LAB where I assume you will be sleeping from now on, after SWMBO kicks you out. Thirty more hours still to run, that's going to be more than 10,000 urulers to envelope stuff.
I wouldn't want to be in your shoes, talk about a simple little throw away promo object going viral.
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and there it goes... 1000%
Congrats Dave.
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here's the NOTE that was in the project description ( did you not read it )
NOTE: Make sure you fill in your postal address details into the Pozible system AFTER the PayPal transaction (don't just close your browser once payment is complete). You can't rely on your PayPal address. No Pozible address = no boards!
Why on earth do Pozible not either ask you for these details before going to Paypal, or integrate better with Paypal to extract the address?
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Interesting to note that this will probably be the most profitable PCB Dave has ever designed, yet has no electronic function...
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Interesting to note that this will probably be the most profitable PCB Dave has ever designed, yet has no electronic function...
I'd suggest not the most profitable, but would agree on the most profit that he would receive in benefits.
-kizzap
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I imagine the scene when he told the missus (he did tell the missus, didn't he?):
Honey?
Yes, darling?
Do we have any plans for Christmas vacation?
Well, not really. But what about that Caribbean cruise we though about?
Ah, I was more thinking about stuffing envelopes.
*BAM*
needs to be phrased differently:
"If we spend a week stuffing envelopes, it will Pay for a Caribbean cruise..."
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uRuler hit 1000% and still 30 hours to go.
(http://www.tooms.dk/download/eevblogforum/eevbloguruler1000procent.jpg)
2*600 + 5*1236 = 7380 Rules in 1826 Enverlopes
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Wow, µRulers were far more wanted than Dave expected. Should Dave have put 25,000 to original target, and start an industry around rulers :D, but then EEVblog would probably suffer.
BTW, could deal be made with post office to get cheaper shipping and no need to lick so many stamps? Like we have envelopes printed with"<company> will pay postage" where stamp would be. If address and "stamp" were just printed to envelope, job would be two times faster and easier.
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Interesting to note that this will probably be the most profitable PCB Dave has ever designed, yet has no electronic function...
Stationary is a good business, excuse me I need to top up my HP selling ink and toner now.
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Interesting to note that this will probably be the most profitable PCB Dave has ever designed, yet has no electronic function...
Ah? It is a perfect tester for continuity testers!
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Congratulations Dave! Can't wait to receive my rulers. I just received Dave's email about the logistics, it'll be a lot of work for sure.
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Time to put the entire family to work ;). Maybe you can make a video of the sweatshop afterwards ;D
BTW, could deal be made with post office to get cheaper shipping and no need to lick so many stamps? Like we have envelopes printed with"<company> will pay postage" where stamp would be. If address and "stamp" were just printed to envelope, job would be two times faster and easier.
Here you can drop at the post office with a box of envelopes, pay the postage and they will print the "stamps" on the envelopes using a specific machine...
Dave, I hope you checked with the post office that it's ok to send PCBs as letters (some may classify that stuff as parcel)... anyway, that's "printed matter" after all, just on fiberglass instead of cellulose fiber :)
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Time to put the entire family to work ;). Maybe you can make a video of the sweatshop afterwards ;D
:-+ Having done 1000+ CDs with instructions in the post multiple times, it should not be too bad.
Trick is to print the labels separately for the 2 and 5 rulers. This saves you from having to use your brain when stuffing the envelopes. Stuff all the 2 ruler and then the 5 ruler envelopes. Then stick on the appropriate labels. We often scab a few mail bags from the post office before hand. (For some reason most mail bags in Ireland have "Royal mail" on them, complements of those detained at Her Majesty's pleasure.) When drop the lot at the local post office and get them to frank them. No extra charge once your have 500+. Now, the problem with this is they have sat for a few days in a back room before they got around to doing them. If we want them to go fast we stamp them ourselves and drive around to a few post boxes, filling them up. The reason for going to post boxes, rather than directly to the post office is a very old law (which may well be the same in Oz) which I believe states the boxes must be emptied the letters processed each night. There is no such requirement for bags left at the post office.
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The success of this campaign says a lot about the general state of availability of decent rulers. It's quite hard to find a good one these days - especially at that price. The PCB-centric gauges and tables are just icing on the cake.
I can't be the only one who actually will use theirs (as opposed to just joining the campaign out of altruism).
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The big problem for Dave is the missing addresses, unless the PayPal ones can be merged in, and then you will have the 'Missing' and 'Damaged' complaints coming in for a month or two afterwards.
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Scant minutes after he opened the campaign I told Dave he was missing a bet by not offering a signed version. He scoffed.
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I can't be the only one who actually will use theirs (as opposed to just joining the campaign out of altruism).
I intend to store a few of mine for safe keeping, to have around for EEVBlog forum photography. I have a suspicion they will end up being the standard scale indicator around here sometime in the very near future.
The rest I will use as rulers. Really like the fact that they are very thin.
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I will certainly use it, and maybe give away one or two to friends. I just hope that my address was not f*cked up too much because I did not understand the strange way Pozible asked for it...
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I will use it as a ruler and for chose mils and hole diameter.
Te other i will give to my friends as a gift
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I will certainly use it, and maybe give away one or two to friends. I just hope that my address was not f*cked up too much because I did not understand the strange way Pozible asked for it...
You can change it at any time. I assume Dave will get all of the addresses at the close of the project.
Pozible's website is very confusing, though. There is no Addressee field for shipping. I guess it is just going to use the user's login name. Naturally I didn't use my full name as my login. I'm sure I'll get it still.
Also, the "Notifications & Preferences" options couldn't be more confusing. The options of "Off" or "On" are not clear at all. What does "Do not share my email address with the projects I support == Off" mean, exactly? WTF?
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There is no Addressee field for shipping. I guess it is just going to use the user's login name.
What worries me more is that there is no field for city, but mandatory fields for suburb and state, both of which are not used here. So where do I put my city? I ended up putting it in the suburb field, but it still doesn't feel good...
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City instead of suburb should be fine, as long as it ends up in approximately the correct order the postal service will likely figure it out.
It's a dumb idea to force people to use your local address format if you're aiming for an international audience. Just study the address formats used across the world and you'll quickly come to the conclusion that the only viable way is to provide address line 1 to n. Countries may put street numbers before or after the street, street numbers may not actually be just numbers, some addresses use building names instead of numbers, some countries require a state, province or territory, some countries require some sort of post office number in addition to city and postal code, some require locality, the list goes on. Just let people format their own addresses, then at least half of them should be able to get it right ;). You'd be surprised how many people have trouble spelling their own name.
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I totally plan to use my rulers! It will be a standard tool on my bench.
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(...) and then you will have the 'Missing' and 'Damaged' complaints coming in for a month or two afterwards.
That is one of the reasons I ordered five: if they are stacked up and aligned, the whole assembly is more solid :)
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Almost at %1100 now... :wtf: Poor Dave!! :scared:
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Post office can be good at times, the one guy at work had his address as his name, Unnumbered house, Unnamed street, Amaoti. He got mail delivered there for years, only had problems when the streets were finally named...... You can see his house on street view now.
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Rather than labels might be worth investigating a second hand high speed envelope addressing printer from Ebay etc. If it printed the address and the number of rulers for that order on the envelopes then a quick glance would tell you how many rulers to stick in that envelope (or just split it into a 2 ruler run/5 ruler run) Then get someone to whizz them through a franking machine, or can you buy electronic postage in Australia?. Would be a LOT quicker than all that peeling and sticking. Sell printer back on EBay when done or do a tear down of it :-)
Martin.
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16 hours left and so far Dave will have to ship 8285 rulers in 2065 envelopes! :phew:
Or to put it another way, a stack of rulers 4.14m (13.6 feet) tall!
If you put them end to end they would stretch 1.47Km (0.92 miles)!
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Watch, now the copycats will start flooding Kickstarter, IGG and Pozible with various designs of ruler :-DD
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Rather than labels might be worth investigating a second hand high speed envelope addressing printer from Ebay etc.
Good idea.
I don't see any affordable on ebay though.
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Rather than labels might be worth investigating a second hand high speed envelope addressing printer from Ebay etc.
Good idea.
I don't see any affordable on ebay though.
Some general purpose printers also do envelopes. Though you would need one that can handle many envelopes at a time.
I wonder what the costs would be to have a commercial printing facility print the address on envelopes.
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Just order the missus to stuff and address the envelopes, put your feet up and have a beer.
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Just order the missus to stuff and address the envelopes, put your feet up and have a beer.
Considering the dinner that Dave is going to buy her from the posh-est restaurant in Sydney it would probably be worth it.
Yeah I couldn't help but buy 5 rulers... Does that make us all "supporters" now?
P.S. : Dave I'll be that guy in Texas with the German last name where you'll see it and "WTF?" and spend a few minutes trying to figure out how it is pronounced. And yes there's actually more people with that last name. The city in which I grew up (population about 300k) had 6 people in the phone book with that last name that were not related to me. There's also a linux kernel developer with my name that's not me and a guy at Microsoft with my same name. He was a real dick by the way. He used to send me nasty e-mails when people would accidentally sent him e-mails that were meant for me... Like it was my fault we had the same name. Screw him. He still works for MS and I don't any more.
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Just order the missus to stuff and address the envelopes, put your feet up and have a beer.
His feet would probably be up, but drinking a beer (or other beverage of his choice) would require consciousness...
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Maybe talk to these people http://www.mailmasters.net.au/ (http://www.mailmasters.net.au/)
If you can get envelopes pre-printed with address, postage and quantity that should save a lot of effort even if you do the final stuffing
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Nice, I am the 2182th supporter!
Dave, for the envelopes do whatever you want, I have no hurry! O0
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If you can get envelopes pre-printed with address, postage and quantity that should save a lot of effort even if you do the final stuffing
Yes, that's the current plan, at least have the envelopes pre-printed with address and postage.
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5 hours to go and it just hit $30k
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5 hours to go and it just hit $30k
How about a quick competition to guess the final figure?
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And the winner is/are
THE POSTAL SERVICES
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How about a quick competition to guess the final figure?
I'm guessing around A$ 33,000. There will be a final push, once people realize just how important it is to be part of the first international EEVBlog µRuler fundraiser. ;)
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I'm guessing around A$ 33,000. There will be a final push, once people realize just how important it is to be part of the first international EEVBlog µRuler fundraiser. ;)
I vote $32 999 or less....
-kizzap
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I'm guessing around A$ 33,000. There will be a final push, once people realize just how important it is to be part of the first international EEVBlog µRuler fundraiser. ;)
I already have a µCurrent, now I need the entire µLineup!
Maybe someday I'll even get my hands on the completed µSupply. But what's after that, a µBolometer? ;)
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I already have a µCurrent, now I need the entire µLineup!
Maybe someday I'll even get my hands on the completed µSupply. But what's after that, a µBolometer? ;)
There is the µWatch and µCalc too.
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Dave,
now with 10000 rulers to order you could made them with ENIG surface finish, these i got from you (with no surface finish) they not looking that cool anymore after 6 months.
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If you can get envelopes pre-printed with address, postage and quantity that should save a lot of effort even if you do the final stuffing
Yes, that's the current plan, at least have the envelopes pre-printed with address and postage.
Maybe even look into the possibility of having a filled out CN22 printed on the envelope at the same time? It could prevent any customs problems in the recipients' countries.
Anyway, great work, I'm looking forward to receiving my rulers.
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I just tore apart an envelope printer, which had a bad clutch inside from a couple of years of use. Pain to use and keep feeding correctly, but it sure did print a lot of envelopes. Labels are a better bet, and I can even arrange stuffing of envelopes for about $50 per 1000 items, postage works out to be about $2 per item international.
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I ship a lot of my Tindie orders internationally, and at least here in the states the post office has finally got their act together- you can simply whack the name/address into online form, click a few boxes for product description and it spits out a label with prepaid shipping and customs info all in one. Slap it on, then schlep to the post office to hand it in in person. (The last part still sucks, but not having separate postage and customs helps a lot). That's of course me being too cheap to use third party service like endicia or stamps.com. I wonder if Australia has their equivalents..
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I was on holyday and I totally missed the campaign. What a pity.
Dave, do you plan to order some extra for the late aweekening ones or repeat the campain in the future?
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Hah, just got an email: "...There is still no reason why I can't manually ship some myself at the start of April just to get the ball rolling. ..."
April? : p
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Ya, thats what I thought, april? ??? Then I checked on Pozible and it said Sept. and the april must have been a joke or a typo.
Chris
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Ya, thats what I thought, april? ??? Then I checked on Pozible and it said Sept. and the april must have been a joke or a typo.
Chris
April, August, same thing.
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April, August, same thing.
April, August, September...
Yes, I understood that the 'April' in the mail was a typo, but it still made me chuckle a bit ( :
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Dave plans to ship the first batch on April, 1st.
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Dave plans to ship the first batch on April, 1st.
Gotta get those April fools jokes in early for next year. Never know what red tape the higher ups are going to throw in the way.
-kizzap
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Maybe Octopart Electronic PCB (cheatsheet) can be an inspiration for Dave if he wants to improve his current one before making, or for his next version uRuler 2.0 . The footprint idea for various type of packaging would be good for the reverse side of Dave uRuler. Dave logo maybe become smaller as a result.
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It occurs to me that here we have a project which doesn't just have a prototype but is actually production proven, and in the words of someone I can't recall, all that's needed is to click the button on the manufacturers website and hey presto! :-+
Yet here we are with another delay, on top of the previous speed bumps. Completely unforeseen, etc. Were it not Dave doing this I suspect there would be elements of 'yeah, yeah, heard that one before' and perhaps a posting in this very topic.
Don't forget that this is as simple as it could be: a trivial PCB without any components whatsoever. 95% of the posters here could have run one off themselves, or panelled the gerber onto their next PCB.
Please note that I am not trying to diss Dave or his ruler or this round of crowdfunding. What I am trying to do is point out that an apparently simple-as-can-be project can suffer this kind of stuff, and we should bear that in mind when a much more complex project seems to be a straight-up scam.
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I agree with that, and try to give people a lot of leeway when it comes to that.
However, there is one aspect that sets this apart from 90% or more of those crowdfunded projects. Dave is being exceptionally transparent. He is informing us immediately when something happens. No delays. No reluctance to share.
Poorly-run campaigns almost never do that. They go silent for long periods of time, or don't admit to having problems until they can't hide them any longer.
And I think the results of both approaches is plainly obvious here - nobody is giving Dave any shit about it, while like you said if it was another project there might be a lot of complaining already.
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Were it not Dave doing this I suspect there would be elements of 'yeah, yeah, heard that one before' and perhaps a posting in this very topic.
I was going to post a faux, tongue-in-cheek rant about this under this very topic, but didn't want to get banned for being facetious. :scared:
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They go silent for long periods
As you say, Dave is exceptionally transparent, so he is not the norm for any project really. Plus he's been there, done it, and even flogs the T-shirts now. By definition, a crowd sourced project developer probably isn't a particularly astute businessman or project manager, so I wouldn't necessarily panic at long(ish) silence. Indeed, I backed Leap Motion and they went so quiet I forgot I'd money tied up in them :)
And look at the watch chap: he is quite mouthy and seems to be reasonably transparent. It is all rubbish, of course, but "my PCB order is too big a panel for the globally shipping PCB fab to manage" would have us in stitches here making up his next excuse for him.
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Well my 5 rulers turned up in the letterbox just a few minutes ago. Thanks Dave. Love your work :-+
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Well my 5 rulers turned up in the letterbox just a few minutes ago. Thanks Dave. Love your work :-+
Cool.
Any tear in the envelope? There is some concern that automated machine could rip the envelopes or damage the rulers.
Someone just said they received an empty sealed envelope! :-//
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Mine did have a tear in the envelope but the rulers were fine.
I just figured it was auspost or trying to get them into my letterbox but thinking about it now it was a pretty square tear so it could have been from a machine?
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I just figured it was auspost or trying to get them into my letterbox but thinking about it now it was a pretty square tear so it could have been from a machine?
That's the fear, the mail sorting machines may tear the envelopes or destroy the rulers...
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The rulers are unblemished. It was the back of the ruler that was exposed by the tear. Fingers crossed I suppose.
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Fingers crossed I suppose.
Well that's the thing. I can either chose a better/more expensive envelope or packet or whatever, or I can just take my chances and reship those that don't show up.
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Well my 5 rulers turned up in the letterbox just a few minutes ago. Thanks Dave. Love your work :-+
Cool.
Any tear in the envelope? There is some concern that automated machine could rip the envelopes or damage the rulers.
Someone just said they received an empty sealed envelope! :-//
My envelope and contents fared just fine.
And the rulers are confirmed to indeed be quite flexible...
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Well that's the thing. I can either chose a better/more expensive envelope or packet or whatever, or I can just take my chances and reship those that don't show up.
Could you wrap them in a folded sheet to give a little more protection against a corner poking through?
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I suppose at this point all of his domestic shipments have gone out so it's up to the mailing company to do the rest.
Will the international orders be packed differently?
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Will the international orders be packed differently?
Likely they will include some tape inside the envelope at a minimum I think.
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Someone just said they received an empty sealed envelope! :-//
I find it's best to bag items and then usually tape the bag to the addressed paper insert when I send things in envelopes. That way if it does get torn there is at least a chance the contents will remain with the envelope or be returned to it.
Sorting machines can really do a number if they catch an edge on something in an envelope. In some sorting warehouse here in NZ they are probably still picking up LEDs from one of my envelopes that got bit.
I guess with the international orders you'll have to have a customs declaration since it's not printed material, so probably won't get run through an automatic machine anyway but join the parcel conveyor.
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Saw from the video there are 3 other members from EEvblog near me, one North, one in Pinetown and one south. wonder who they are?
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I'm worried about my local (regional?) post office. Too often, I've received empty envelopes, or magazine covers (just the cover page) in a plastic bag, with a note from the USPS stating, in nicer words but the same effect: "Your mail was damaged by our equipment. Tough Shit."
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I guess with the international orders you'll have to have a customs declaration since it's not printed material, so probably won't get run through an automatic machine anyway but join the parcel conveyor.
Well, technically it IS printed material, as in Printed Circuit Board ;D
But the customs legislation in my country clearly exempt from import duties only printed material "on paper"... not that a couple of PCBs in a paper envelope would be flagged for customs inspection anyway.
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Someone just said they received an empty sealed envelope! :-//
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Unfortunately I'm one of those people who have received an empty envelope. However it's pretty clear how the rulers made their daring escape. Photo attached.
Is there a place I should put my name for a replacement?
Eddie
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To protect stuff like this, I generally stick it to some thin card and fold in half. forming a liner in the envelope.
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A tested way from Ian at DangerousPrototypes is to do the following:
http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/How_to_mail_PCBs (http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/How_to_mail_PCBs)
Basically tape the PCB inside the envelope, then it cannot move, tear the envelope or slide out. I have received a few boards from him like that before, never had a problem. It also helps to have a stiffer card inside to help the envelope maintain shape when it goes through the various sorting machines.
Jan
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I guess with the international orders you'll have to have a customs declaration since it's not printed material
PRINTED Circuit Board ;D
Clearly the envelope on it's own isn't going to work. Glad I caught this on the 200 run and not 2000
Options are a plastic bag inside the envelope, taped to folded card (probably too much work at the mailing house for 2000+), or a cardboard photo mailer.
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I would just try for a slightly higher quality (heaver paper weight) envelope, a cardboard mailer could push the postage up a good bit.
Just one set escaping out of 200+ is .5%, it would be cheaper to just have to resend them again.
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I would just try for a slightly higher quality (heaver paper weight) envelope, a cardboard mailer could push the postage up a good bit.
Just one set escaping out of 200+ is .5%, it would be cheaper to just have to resend them again.
Yes, most likely. There is the time hassle too though.
Doing some research now and it seems the "pocket" envelopes with the opening on the end are heavier weight and designed for heavier materials.
One of those with maybe a plastic bag holding the rulers inside should do the trick I think.
The cardboard photo mailer would be classified as a large letter instead of standard.
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Is there a place I should put my name for a replacement?
Send me an email.
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Those TI launchpad boards I ordered came packed with a massive amount of bubble wrap sleeves used as packing. So they must have found a cheap source somewhere.
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Hi Dave,
I think that another option is buy envelopes with a transparent window, write the address in an A4 sheet, and then glue the rulers to the sheet.
You add the step of fold the sheet, put the sheet folded in the envelop is more difficult, but you save the step of stick the address label to the envelope. Maybe, glue the rulers to the sheet is more difficult that glue it together but, if the rulers are in the right place, they can help to fold the sheet.
Another advantage of this system is that you can add some message for the supporter.
It's only an idea.
Best regards,
uU.
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Someone just said they received an empty sealed envelope! :-//
Unfortunately I'm one of those people who have received an empty envelope. However it's pretty clear how the rulers made their daring escape. Photo attached.
Is there a place I should put my name for a replacement?
Eddie
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I wonder about just folding tape around the edges of the envelope?
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I'd make an A4 sheet with some info on it, a bit of a blurb about the ruler or whatever, then tape the ruler stack to the A4 sheet of paper, fold it in thirds (the usual fold for A4 paper in a DLE envelope), and then put that in the envelope. That way the folded paper is protecting the envelope somewhat, and holding the rulers in place within. It wouldn't be a great deal of extra work either, although any solution is going to be SOME extra work and thus cost...
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samgab,
My idea it's like yours, I only don't know if the stack its a good idea. Maybe the stack it's too heavy and it can unstick from the sheet. Also the stack it's to thick and it can tear the envelop.
Regards,
uU
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Cut pieces of card stock to about the size of the envelope interior. Make two vertical slits in the middle and pass the ruler through the slits so that it's held in compression. Add a bit of clear tape to prevent shifting. If you build a small jig you can probably do this quickly.
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for those who missed my post :P eBay auction: #http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271281582614?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
You'd do it in 20 years time when uRulers are rare and valuable :)
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Couple thoughts come to mind:
1) Since a fulfillment house is handling the envelope closing, can you use a standard design envelope without the opening near the flap? (I think you went with the double flap version to save the effort of peeling off the self-adhesive protection strip.)
2) In the USA, a normal business envelope is identified as a #10 size, and is available in tyvek as well as paper. A tyvek envelope should be handled by the fulfillment house machinery just like a paper envelope in terms of printing directly on it, etc. but it is much stronger than a paper envelope. http://www.amazon.com/Quality-Park-Lightweight-Anti-Microbial-R2010/dp/B004NYB7QA (http://www.amazon.com/Quality-Park-Lightweight-Anti-Microbial-R2010/dp/B004NYB7QA) is one example. I doubt very many rulers will punch through tyvek, although given enough mishandling by the various post offices involved, I suppose it's possible that some small percentage will fail, but those can be handled on a replacement basis.
Hence, a standard #10 envelope (whatever the Australian equivalent is) but tyvek not paper would seem to address both your problems and should be well within the fulfillment house's machinery capabilities. Tyvek is a bit more expensive than paper but it avoids the need for a bag and associated labor which I suspect more than offsets the increased envelope price.
If the fulfillment house would do it at the same price and if the envelope price is similar, I would probably go with an end loaded tyvek envelope.
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+1 for Tyvek envelopes. I have used them in more than one occasion and they are incredibly strong.
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Thanks, hadn't heard of Tyvek before.
Yes, I will be using an end seal pocket envelope either way.
Standard size in Oz is DL/DLX
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Woo!! Got my Rulers today, arrived here in Toowoomba with no issues, safe and sound. They look awesome :-+
-kizzap
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Woo!! Got my Rulers today, arrived here in Toowoomba with no issues, safe and sound. They look awesome :-+
-kizzap
Another Toowoombaite here and mine arrived safe and sound this morning with no hint of tears or punctures on the envelope. Excellent rulers! Aside from my sidecutters, rulers are the next thing I can never easily find when I need one. The red really stands out on my bench :D
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Unfortunately more bad news for me and Dave... "damaged by machinery" ticked, arrived from Sydney West Letter Facility, Strathfield.
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Hello Dave,
Long time supporter here.
I've signed up on the forum today in hopes of getting in contact with you regarding the uRuler.
My dad is an EEVBlog Fanatic and he goes on about your videos whenever I see him. I purchase him your shirts as gifts whenever his birthday and christmas rolls around and he absolutely loves having them.
Purchasing some rulers for him was a no brainer.
Today I received the familiar envelope from the packaging video a few days ago only to find it perfectly sealed with nothing inside.
The envelope shows no signs of tampering and arrived completely empty.
I purchased 2 rulers and my name is Adrian Acosta.
Is there anything you can do for me? It would be a huge shame for my dad if I can't give him the rulers.
Thank you for taking the time to do this for all of us.
Regards,
Adrian
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Adrian, there is an e-mail named 'EEVblog µRuler' update 16 that contains instructions on how to proceed to get a "refund" (edit: not money, see below).
The sender is from Pozible < no-reply@pozible.com >
Just be sure these e-mails are not going to your spam folder
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Hello rsjsouza.
Thank you for your quick response.
I will check it out now.
Does this mean that the only option is money back? It will be a HUGE shame if I am unable to pass these rulers on to my dad.
Thank you.
Adrian
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Adrian, no, sorry, I was being sarcastic. By "refund" I meant µRulers, not money.
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Is there anything you can do for me? It would be a huge shame for my dad if I can't give him the rulers.
Yes, read the latest Pozible updates and send me an email.
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Tyvek is what those FedEx envelopes use, the ones that look like they are made of some kind of fiber that you can't tear.
It's also used as a moisture barrier in some new home constructions. It allows water vapor but not liquid water
(http://i.imgur.com/fqnvNP5.jpg)
Also commonly used in wrist bands at clubs and events, because it doesn't tear.
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Also used to make the disposable bunny suits used in Hazmat areas like chip and hard drive manufacturing plants. You can tear it, but normally that requires a lot more than the average person can deliver without a lever.
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Dave, if it's not to difficult are you able to see if my name was on the list of rulers sent in Australia. Thought I would have received it by now, although Cairns is the end of the world. :)
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Dave, if it's not to difficult are you able to see if my name was on the list of rulers sent in Australia. Thought I would have received it by now, although Cairns is the end of the world. :)
Yep, 5 rulers. It would have been in the first batch that was sent out.
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Yep, 5 rulers. It would have been in the first batch that was sent out.
I guess the pigeon decided it was too hot up here and turned around. Mail from Sydney to Cairns normally only takes 3 days.
Never mind. I actually only pledged because I didn't think you would get too many takers and would have just donated if I'd realised that was an option. Just keep a spare around and I'll come and visit you next time I'm in Sydney. :)
Then again, they may still turn up.
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I wonder what the post office is doing with all those rulers :(
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I wonder what the post office is doing with all those rulers :(
You wouldn't want to know.
(http://i.imgur.com/BViyBgp.jpg)
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Damn, I just discovered the uRuler thing. Is there a way to get one? :(
I can etch one, but it's not as fancy...
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Damn, I just discovered the uRuler thing. Is there a way to get one? :(
I can etch one, but it's not as fancy...
Sounds like there are a few strewn about the floors of random Australian postal offices.
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Sounds like there are a few strewn about the floors of random Australian postal offices.
Indeed. I didn't even get an empty envelope.
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I whould also like to buy few of this uRulers, I've registred to the EEVblog Shop but there is not such item to buy there. It whould be good that you add uRuler to EEVblog shop, and after getting desired number of orders you can send them. I whould buy couple of them, they look good and useful.
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uRulers have shipped!
http://www.pozible.com/project/31806#updates (http://www.pozible.com/project/31806#updates)
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uRulers have shipped!
http://www.pozible.com/project/31806#updates (http://www.pozible.com/project/31806#updates)
Dave, at the end, are you satisfied with this campaign? Did you get what you wanted?
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Dave, at the end, are you satisfied with this campaign? Did you get what you wanted?
What I "wanted" was to simply make a small group of people happy who kept asking for a uRuler. And also it was a good opportunity to try out crowd sourcing via Pozible to test the whole mechanism.
The fact that it went gangbusters surprised me and added extra issues I did not intent.
So, yes, satisfied, and it gave some people what they wanted, and I learned a lot out about, and fixed a lot of issues with both Pozible, PayPal, and shipping.
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So, having survived the experience are you likely to take what you learned and try another crowdfunding campaign? Or is once enough?
I'd do it again.
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Hey there,
I am currently planning on doing a small batch of µRulers for the german people.
Is there any way to get the full gerbers including the eevblog slogan on the back and would it okay for you, Dave, when I do the batch exactly the same as you did with your slogans on it?
I will also use pcbcart as fab, 0,5mm with red soldermask and white silkscreen. Pricing will be below 2 euros per Ruler and 2 additional euros for shipping, I will send a minimum of 5 rulers per order and will start to take orders in about 2 weeks. This will be a private project - I will not make any revenue by this (except maybe 5 free rulers for me).
Thanks!
Matthias
Edit: Dave, did you have some kind of deal with pcbcart for the 4 and 5 mil traces/spacing? Would be very nice if they would do them without charging any extra. Asked them too about this.
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5 rulers have arrived safely. To celebrate, here's a silly modification of a famous joke.
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5 rulers have arrived here in Sweden today :-+
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I also received my rulers today, 5 november. In Gothenburg, Sweden.
/Stefan
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This would make an interesting graph. Benchmarking mail from Australia to various countries.
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No uRulers when I got home, just two ATMega48v chips I ordered from Korea for a buck each.
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Hmm, this viewer in Singapore got his rulers via Sweden!
Something smells fishy...
I'm getting the feeling that my mailing house sent them all to another mailing house in Sweden!
That would explain why Sweden got them first (and no one else yet), and also the delay.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYY4R04CYAEVQqg.jpg)
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Mine has arrived, although it may have arrived earlier as I didn't check the mail box yesterday.
Just out of curiosity Dave, is it possible to post a by country count of people who ordered? I'm intrigued with how popular this site is within the Asian regions.
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Hmm, this viewer in Singapore got his rulers via Sweden!
Something smells fishy...
I'm getting the feeling that my mailing house sent them all to another mailing house in Sweden!
That would explain why Sweden got them first (and no one else yet), and also the delay.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYY4R04CYAEVQqg.jpg
Wouldn't surprise me, sending one package to Sweden to be broken up across the Euro-Region would be cheaper then individual postage costs.
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Just out of curiosity Dave, is it possible to post a by country count of people who ordered? I'm intrigued with how popular this site is within the Asian regions.
Dave browsed quickly through addresses in one of the videos, all he showed was countries and cities/regions. I will probably have only µRulers in this city when they arrive.
I hope next project will ship from singapore or hongkong with tracking number since it doesn't cost almost anything extra at all. I would happily pay 1$-2$ extra for ability to track things.
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Wouldn't surprise me, sending one package to Sweden to be broken up across the Euro-Region would be cheaper then individual postage costs.
Sure, but last I checked Singapore isn't in Europe!
Still no reports of any other country receiving them.
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'Postage Paid Australia' appears to be printed on the envelope under the Swedish sticker. Does Sweden gave the cheapest postage rates in Europe?
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Dave,
I think they ripped you off... or did you provide your blessing?
'Ladyada' has just offered one in black.
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No rulers in manchester uk and i have things to measure! :scared:
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Any longer we have to send him a mail bag. "Ahh it's count down timer, no! its and IE..........................." :-DD
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Yeah, odd that Sweden have them, and us in NZ, right next door are still waiting on ours... Never mind; they'll turn up eventually.
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I think they ripped you off... or did you provide your blessing?
'Ladyada' has just offered one in black.
Totally different design, nothing to do with me. I don't own the concept of a PCB ruler.
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Yeah, odd that Sweden have them, and us in NZ, right next door are still waiting on ours... Never mind; they'll turn up eventually.
Given that they were supposedly shipped 16 days ago, the only explanation is that they were all shipped to another mailing house in sweden.
I'm going to wait for reports of other countres having the Swedish postage mark before ask the mailing house to explain WTF...
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Yeah, odd that Sweden have them, and us in NZ, right next door are still waiting on ours... Never mind; they'll turn up eventually.
Given that they were supposedly shipped 16 days ago, the only explanation is that they were all shipped to another mailing house in sweden.
I'm going to wait for reports of other countres having the Swedish postage mark before ask the mailing house to explain WTF...
You got outsourced...
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You got outsourced...
I'm pretty certain they at least printed the envelopes in oz!, and most likely stuffed them too, but I'm getting the vibe that the actual mailing was not done by regular Aust post.
Heck, if I pop them in the local post box, they get delivered overseas in only a few days, maybe a week tops for some countries.
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If a large part of the recipients are in Europe, it may very well be cheaper to pay low rates within Europe and pay extra for the lower number of NZ/Asian recipients. I wouldn't expect postage from SE to America to be particularly cheap, though. If they outsourced this to a company doing a lot of international mail, then they may very well have negotiated a low bulk rate with postal services in whatever country offers the lowest rate. Sending mail at the lowest possible rate can lead to some interesting mail routing.
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If a large part of the recipients are in Europe, it may very well be cheaper to pay low rates within Europe and pay extra for the lower number of NZ/Asian recipients. I wouldn't expect postage from SE to America to be particularly cheap, though. If they outsourced this to a company doing a lot of international mail, then they may very well have negotiated a low bulk rate with postal services in whatever country offers the lowest rate. Sending mail at the lowest possible rate can lead to some interesting mail routing.
Yes, perhaps. There could be separate mailing houses for the US/Canada and other regions as well. But still, 16 days is getting beyond acceptable. I could have spent 5 days packing them myself, and then 5 days via Australia Post and almost everyone worldwide would have had them by now. I paid $2.28 in bulk postage for each one compared to OzPost's single standard international rate of $2.60. Still, I was under the impression that they would all be lodged with Australia Post. I would have happily paid the $2.60 if it didn't mean this delay. I'm not very happy about this whole thing.
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Probably time to check your contract with that mailing house.
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'Ladyada' has just offered one in black.
Totally different design, nothing to do with me. I don't own the concept of a PCB ruler.
Plus Dave's one is well above average, being an inch longer (i'm talking about the ruler) ;)
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I did find this mention of DLWW, from this and another link (with NSFW spam links) they are a drop shipping company sometimes used by dodgy organisations.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Bidzcom-DLWW-Inc-Sweden/Culver-City-California-Internet-90232/Bidzcom-DLWW-Sweden-Ordered-Jewelry-For-Christmas-Just-Received-In-January-Culver-City-301062 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Bidzcom-DLWW-Inc-Sweden/Culver-City-California-Internet-90232/Bidzcom-DLWW-Sweden-Ordered-Jewelry-For-Christmas-Just-Received-In-January-Culver-City-301062)
It seems like a good company to use if you want your mail delivered slowly, on purpose, otherwise not worth the trouble.
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Hmm, this viewer in Singapore got his rulers via Sweden!
Something smells fishy...
I'm getting the feeling that my mailing house sent them all to another mailing house in Sweden!
That would explain why Sweden got them first (and no one else yet), and also the delay.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYY4R04CYAEVQqg.jpg)
I am Singapore too, but no ruler in my post box. Incidentally, I have ordered some Adafruit rulers which only became in-stock just recently, and they may arrive earlier than uRuler.
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Probably time to check your contract with that mailing house.
Contract?
I pay money, they send...
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Yaroslav @drug123 twittered me that Sweden post operates in Singapore. That explains why I receive uRuler just after Sweden.
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Probably time to check your contract with that mailing house.
Contract?
I pay money, they send...
There's your mistake. You should have got several teams of lawyers in on both sides. You probably could have posted them in 2015 at a cost of $274000.
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I could have spent 5 days packing them myself, and then 5 days via Australia Post and almost everyone worldwide would have had them by now.
Wrong, German Customs are rigorous with everything not from the EU. Australia, China, USA, Hongkong, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, doesn't matter, it always takes an additional 2 weeks for my packets. Always. (Even if the item value is so low that I don't have to pay anything, or even if it is just a paper letter, yes even the handwritten ones.
By the Way, hi, I'm new in the forums..
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I could have spent 5 days packing them myself, and then 5 days via Australia Post and almost everyone worldwide would have had them by now.
Wrong, German Customs are rigorous with everything not from the EU. Australia, China, USA, Hongkong, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, doesn't matter, it always takes an additional 2 weeks for my packets. Always. (Even if the item value is so low that I don't have to pay anything, or even if it is just a paper letter, yes even the handwritten ones.
By the Way, hi, I'm new in the forums..
What's up with that, by the way?
I was following the Pebble watch fiasco, and the German customs people are outright draconian in making it as difficult as possible for backers to get their loot.
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I think at german customs only small-minded bumptious nah, I'm not gonna continue.
Point is, they are adhereing exaclty to the law, by each word. If a device has no CE it can't enter the country. But they would never check if that CE sign is really appropriate. I have even heard of a case where someone had to pay customs for a "forgotten at holiday hotel" videocamera where the hotel sent it in by mail. |O
Worst part is; German Customs do not even trust the CN22 Declaration of contents anymore. They demand that you show them the confirmation of the moneytransfer, ie Paypal excerpt or bank statement. This of course means that your packet or parcel does NOT arrive at home anymore, but instead you have to go to customs to pick it up, after waiting in line for at least an hour (I was once there when it was empty, no one else, just me, still had to wait 50 minutes)
I am curious how this will affect the uRulers. Because I am sure that there was not Declaration of contents from Dave, also no Invoice on, or in the envelopes. Might even go back to dave, or it will land in court. We'll see..
@Dave : Yo did throw in a CE sign somewhere on the uRuler, didn't you ?
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As far as I know marking equipment not covered by the new approach directive (which last time I checked didn't cover rulers) is not allowed, so a good bureaucrat should refuse a uRuler with CE mark.
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I contacted my mailing house, and they are surprised as I am at the delay.
They have confirmed that the rulers were shipped on Oct 25th, but not through Australia post, but through a mailing service called direct link:
http://www.directlink.com/en/contact/Pages/home.aspx (http://www.directlink.com/en/contact/Pages/home.aspx)
Their deal with Direct Link is that (for example) it's two days to New Zealand, in the hand. So something has indeed gone horribly wrong. They are chasing up with Direct link now and will get back to me tomorrow.
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FWIW, I'm in Sweden and got an email reading "Your reward has been sent out today" Oct 25th. Nothing has shown up so far, and mail within Sweden rarely takes over a day (except for Sunday).
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Mitch Patterson remarked that DLWW stands for Direct Link World Wide. That now makes sense!
Still does not explain the delays, as their contract with my mailing house specifies they should be much quicker than this.
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FWIW, I'm in Sweden and got an email reading "Your reward has been sent out today" Oct 25th. Nothing has shown up so far, and mail within Sweden rarely takes over a day (except for Sunday).
That's concerning.
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'Postage Paid Australia' appears to be printed on the envelope under the Swedish sticker. Does Sweden gave the cheapest postage rates in Europe?
For us mere mortals, Swedish postage rates are so expensive people abroad frequently don't believe it. Feel free to try posten.se and a currency converter.
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I could have spent 5 days packing them myself, and then 5 days via Australia Post and almost everyone worldwide would have had them by now.
Wrong, German Customs are rigorous with everything not from the EU. Australia, China, USA, Hongkong, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, doesn't matter, it always takes an additional 2 weeks for my packets. Always. (Even if the item value is so low that I don't have to pay anything, or even if it is just a paper letter, yes even the handwritten ones.
By the Way, hi, I'm new in the forums..
What's up with that, by the way?
I was following the Pebble watch fiasco, and the German customs people are outright draconian in making it as difficult as possible for backers to get their loot.
I guess zey didn't have zer PAPERS!
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'Postage Paid Australia' appears to be printed on the envelope under the Swedish sticker. Does Sweden gave the cheapest postage rates in Europe?
For us mere mortals, Swedish postage rates are so expensive people abroad frequently don't believe it. Feel free to try posten.se and a currency converter.
Stil cheaper than in Denmark.. (postdanmark.dk (http://postdanmark.dk))
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I guess zey didn't have zer PAPERS!
We call that the Little Hitler mentality: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Little%20Hitler (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Little%20Hitler)
Customs here often look for the PayPal receipt, but they know how to use email!
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FWIW, I'm in Sweden and got an email reading "Your reward has been sent out today" Oct 25th. Nothing has shown up so far, and mail within Sweden rarely takes over a day (except for Sunday).
I wanted to add to this. I live in southern sweden pretty close to Malmö and i did not get my rulers with todays mail. My only conclusion is that the rulers did not get posted to the swedish post the same day.
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Ok, quick international tally in order of arrival:
Sweden
Singapore
Taiwan (me)
Anyone else? This is an alarmingly short list.
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I contacted my mailing house, and they are surprised as I am at the delay.
They have confirmed that the rulers were shipped on Oct 25th, but not through Australia post, but through a mailing service called direct link:
http://www.directlink.com/en/contact/Pages/home.aspx (http://www.directlink.com/en/contact/Pages/home.aspx)
Their deal with Direct Link is that (for example) it's two days to New Zealand, in the hand. So something has indeed gone horribly wrong. They are chasing up with Direct link now and will get back to me tomorrow.
It says that Direct link is part of PostNord on their site (in the logo). PostNord is the holding company for Sweden and Denmarks postal services (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostNord (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostNord)). Could it be that they put the swedish postage stamps on the letters even though they didn't travel trough sweden?
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fyi: HongKong - Slovenia : approx 2 weeks (14-15 days). NZ - Slovenia used to take 11-12 days for non-expedited deliveries. Still waiting for mine (slovenia)
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Just wanted to ask if anyone thought about the CN22 Declaration? (Didn't see it on the envelope pictures on twitter)
I think some countries may even reject postage without that declaration.
In Germany customs should "normally" forward a CN22 declared envelope without problems to you if its declared worth is below 22 euros and they don't have any indications that the declared worth is not correct. Even this process takes 3-6 weeks from australia to germany, sending from germany to australia is a bit faster.
If you missed the CN22 declaration, I think every german recipient will be notfied by customs and need to declare whats in the envelope. This adds about 1-2 weeks.
I don't know how other countries handle that, but I think it is basically the same procedure (but maybe they have faster customs?).
If they sent it from sweden, everything ist fine, no need for CN22 or anything-custom-related within the EU. But then the problem exists for non-EU countries.
But I don't think they send a whole bounch of Rulers from Australia to Sweden, because that add a big problem: tax and duty. They would easily exceed the free boundaries and have to pay $$$ tax/duties for importing uRulers.
It should be much cheaper to send it from china/singapur/taiwan directly to every recipient in the world than paying taxes and duties for an import of 1000 rulers or so.
I mean, think about it, sending from these countries to any country in the world costs nearly nothing and you don't need to pay taxes/duties (that's up to the recipient, but in this case it should be no problem bacause it is below the free boundary for every recipient). That's probably what they did.
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Ok, quick international tally in order of arrival:
Sweden
Singapore
Taiwan (me)
Taiwan is 50% complete then! :-+
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Just wanted to ask if anyone thought about the CN22 Declaration? (Didn't see it on the envelope pictures on twitter)
You do not need a CN22 declaration for regular letter mail.
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Just wanted to ask if anyone thought about the CN22 Declaration? (Didn't see it on the envelope pictures on twitter)
You do not need a CN22 declaration for regular letter mail.
I think that's only true if your envelope does not contain any goods.
(just checked that on the hompage of german post; it says clearly that you need to have a CN22 declaration if you send goods as letter mail in an non-EU country.)
Maybe customs do not recognizes that there are uRulers in it, but you used special envelopes (afaik) and that is probably obvious.
But despite that it seem that it works without it, at least in sweden.
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I think that's only true if your envelope does not contain any goods.
Not so in Australia.
It is only recommended that it not contain material goods, it is not a condition of carry.
Whatever fits within the 50g weight limit and the letter size limit 5mm thickness (+L +W), gets treated as a letter.
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Don't worry too much Dave. This is more fun than if they all arrived on time and without incident ;D
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I think that's only true if your envelope does not contain any goods.
Not so in Australia.
It is only recommended that it not contain material goods, it is not a condition of carry.
Whatever fits within the 50g weight limit and the letter size limit 5mm thickness (+L +W), gets treated as a letter.
From where do you have that?
Australia Post says basically the same as german post on their website:
Letters -> "No Extra Cover, containing written correspondence or documents only" -> "No customs documentation required"
Letters -> "No Extra Cover, containing items valued at no more than $500" -> " CN22 Customs Douane (Green Form)".
(http://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/country-customs-regulations.html (http://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/country-customs-regulations.html) -> Which customs form do you need?)
So I think you should have added CN22s.
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Could it be that they put the swedish postage stamps on the letters even though they didn't travel trough sweden?
I'd suspect that's the case. From my limited understanding of how (the quite complicated) international mail systems work, it's a bit like telephone network termination charging, the originating mailer sells postage and keeps everything they collect, the terminating mailer "bills" the originating mailer a termination rate for their mail.
That source to destination terminal rate is set I think by the UPU (in lieu of private agreements), based on relative mail volumes and standard prices determined by the UPU.
So my guess is that Swedish Post has a better terminal rate than Australia Post generally speaking (higher volumes I suppose), and so the postage is "sold" by Swedish Post at a cheaper price since they have a lower termination rate - it doesn't matter how it actually arrives in the terminating region (after all mail may go through many countries on it's way).
I think Swiss Post probably has the same sort of operation, I've received packages marked Swiss Post before that certainly wouldn't have come from Switzerland :)
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You know Dave, I'm a very impatient person. When I order something online, I want instant gratification. And the micro ruler is one of the longest times I have waited for anything. But at no point have I been the slightest bit impatient. It all boils down to communication. Your updates are invaluable, and you are teaching us all good lessons about how to handle large scale crowd funded projects. Keep up the good work, and don't worry about the delays. We are learning more from your troubles.
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Some of my small amateur radio related electronic kits fit into a padded envelope (US type 000, a bit smaller than an A5 sheet for those of the metric persuasion) and I sell quite a few to European customers. Typical value is US$ 25. These kits go with a CN22 customs form and used to be delivered in Germany in about two weeks from shipment, sometimes as fast as 10 days.
Beginning a year or so ago, these small envelopes shipped to Germany have run 30-60 days delivery. Likewise with larger kits that ship in a cardboard box but are sent "first class parcel" with the CN 22 customs declaration.
Sweden has the fastest delivery, with Norway and Finland being similar. I've had kits in the padded envelopes delivered on a Friday following Monday shipping to Sweden. UK delivery used to be as fast as Sweden, but has become slower - still better than Germany.
I've also heard reports from friends in the ham radio kit business that German customs is rejecting some shipments that do not have the CE approval mark. So far, I haven't run into that.
Italy is a huge problem, and before I accept an order for delivery by postal service to Italy, my customer must agree that either (a) the package is shipped with insurance [expensive]; or (b) risk of loss is upon the customer. Likewise with Russia. Chances of a package being delivered in either Italy or Russia is < 50%.
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You know Dave, I'm a very impatient person. When I order something online, I want instant gratification. And the micro ruler is one of the longest times I have waited for anything. But at no point have I been the slightest bit impatient. It all boils down to communication. Your updates are invaluable, and you are teaching us all good lessons about how to handle large scale crowd funded projects. Keep up the good work, and don't worry about the delays. We are learning more from your troubles.
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So, I live in Sweden and have not received any µRuler as of yet... Should I be worried? :P
Btw, thnx for all great work Dave!
Edit: Oh, missed earlier posts. Seems that some Swedish residents got theirs, but not all. Odd.
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No mail today. *sigh* I wonder how they succeed to have such a delay between deliveries in the same country. ???
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You know Dave, I'm a very impatient person. When I order something online, I want instant gratification. And the micro ruler is one of the longest times I have waited for anything. But at no point have I been the slightest bit impatient. It all boils down to communication. Your updates are invaluable, and you are teaching us all good lessons about how to handle large scale crowd funded projects. Keep up the good work, and don't worry about the delays. We are learning more from your troubles.
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This is a general feeling, no worries.
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Customs could be indeed the problem. Two years ago i missed a contest-deadline because my free chipkit was in customs for 4 month. It also went through sweeden by the way. ;)
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I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I don't think I would mind very much if the rulers arrived late or not at all, it was only 15 dollars or so, and for the headache this has caused Dave, I think it's okay. However you should always anticipate more than you planned :P
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I'd completely forgotten about them. Honestly, I've received $15 in epic fail stories since launch.
Must...resist...adding...to....Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects thread. :box:
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Well, as mine will be delivered by that paragon of virtue, promptness and honesty, said being the South African Post Office, I have no worries, it will take 6 weeks or so, like any other letter international or domestic.
You have to admit it takes work to have an organisation that went on a go slow and noone noticed........ ;)
But they do have some nice customer facing people, I have met a few that are nice to meet across the counters.
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Wragtig, SeanB. You have more faith in the system than I do.
I've penciled in mid Jan to go check my box! |O
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Any new batch coming? Or is it possible to get the PCB files?
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Hi Dave!
I'd be interested in a couple of rulers.
Are you planning to at least start a feeler thread? I'm sure there still are a few that wish they knew about this project. I recently found your videos on Youtube and I got hooked :-/O
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You know Dave, I'm a very impatient person. When I order something online, I want instant gratification. And the micro ruler is one of the longest times I have waited for anything. But at no point have I been the slightest bit impatient. It all boils down to communication. Your updates are invaluable, and you are teaching us all good lessons about how to handle large scale crowd funded projects. Keep up the good work, and don't worry about the delays. We are learning more from your troubles.
Very well put. I feel the same. It's proving to be educational for everyone, and in fact entertaining although I do feel for Dave as obstacle after obstacle is thrown at him. It's not the end of the world if my rulers are late, or even don't arrive at all, it's not like he isn't trying his best!
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and for the headache this has caused Dave, I think it's okay. However you should always anticipate more than you planned :P
That's the thing. If it was only a few hundred people tops, as I originally thought, everyone would have had them long ago. Because there wouldn't have been the extra 3 week delay on the manufacture, and then I would have packed and shipped them all myself via Australia post. Barring the missing/torn envelope fiasco, most Australian backers got their rulers ages ago.
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and for the headache this has caused Dave, I think it's okay. However you should always anticipate more than you planned :P
That's the thing. If it was only a few hundred people tops, as I originally thought, everyone would have had them long ago. Because there wouldn't have been the extra 3 week delay on the manufacture, and then I would have packed and shipped them all myself via Australia post. Barring the missing/torn envelope fiasco, most Australian backers got their rulers ages ago.
Well the way I see it was it is a learning experience for 4 separate parties. Pozzible learned what it was like to have a massively successful campaign, you learned about the hassles of managing a massively successful campaign, your mailing service learned what it was like to ship a multinational campaign, and we learned that hey, not everything is in the control of the campaign owner, but by providing good feedback to the supporters nobody got upset.
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my uRulers have arrived today here in New Zealand, no Swedish stamps or marks, only a NZ mail sticker, took awhile to get here if it was direct, anyway i Love them!! well worth the wait, thanks Dave!!
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Another happy camper here in NZ! Arrived safe and sound, cheers! :-+
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6qyt51Vba_I/UnxohXRRHcI/AAAAAAAAJaQ/Sv_bOfh_MkY/s800/IMG_5480.JPG)(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fLYS-H4fVCA/Unxog7a5GUI/AAAAAAAAJaM/VtEekZ7-tRg/s800/IMG_5481.JPG)
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Hi Dave, Have you considered doing another batch? I see that you have all of the shipping bugs worked out. I missed the boat on getting one.
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Hi Dave, Have you considered doing another batch? I see that you have all of the shipping bugs worked out. I missed the boat on getting one.
Still haven't got one, so shipping bugs are not sorted out.
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I think next time Dave should choose a person per country and ship them the rulers, envelopes and the cards along with the country recipients, and then farm it out to a distributed network. The remote packer pays the postage for the area and posts them, and this can be regarded as a contribution to the forum to keep Sagan with a roof over his head.
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Hi Dave,
I'll be your token upset customer! :rant:
Ok, now this is a complete crowd funded campaign. :-+
Joking! I know Dave did way more than your ravage Joe would in a similar situation.
I have waited a year for other kickstarters that cost way more cash out of my pocket, no skin off my nose. ^-^
Thanks for the updates!
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Any new batch coming? Or is it possible to get the PCB files?
You can get the pcb files at http://www.eevblog.com/projects/uruler/ (http://www.eevblog.com/projects/uruler/). I think they've been there for a while.
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I think next time Dave should choose a person per country and ship them the rulers, envelopes and the cards along with the country recipients, and then farm it out to a distributed network. The remote packer pays the postage for the area and posts them, and this can be regarded as a contribution to the forum to keep Sagan with a roof over his head.
Thats a nice idea SeanB :-+ :-+
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Hey Dave,
Would it be okay with you to send the Gerber files to a PCB manufacturer for our own uses (I'm thinking OSHPark in the U.S. to get single [ok, 3 min.] unit-quantities)?
If so, could you take a moment to enumerate the file naming convention to make this happen?
Thanks a million!
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I think next time Dave should choose a person per country and ship them the rulers, envelopes and the cards along with the country recipients, and then farm it out to a distributed network. The remote packer pays the postage for the area and posts them, and this can be regarded as a contribution to the forum to keep Sagan with a roof over his head.
Crowdfunding and crowdworking at the same time!
Sounds like a great idea, i would be happy to help
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I think next time Dave should choose a person per country and ship them the rulers, envelopes and the cards along with the country recipients, and then farm it out to a distributed network. The remote packer pays the postage for the area and posts them, and this can be regarded as a contribution to the forum to keep Sagan with a roof over his head.
That is a nice idea, but it could spell trouble in terms of customs fees, because the main shipment to some countries for sure will not be accepted to be below the tax free value.
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I think next time Dave should choose a person per country and ship them the rulers, envelopes and the cards along with the country recipients, and then farm it out to a distributed network. The remote packer pays the postage for the area and posts them, and this can be regarded as a contribution to the forum to keep Sagan with a roof over his head.
That is not as easy as it sounds. There are 58 counties!
Even if I did the major countries I'd have to liaise with (and trust) a few dozen people to send these things out.
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Considering sellers in China seem to be able to post stuff out worldwide fpr peanuts, maybe the ideal solution is to get someone there to collect from PCBcart and ship. Obviously the tricky part is finding a reliable contact to do it.
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Considering sellers in China seem to be able to post stuff out worldwide fpr peanuts, maybe the ideal solution is to get someone there to collect from PCBcart and ship
That would be the best way to send them. They can print customs forms directly on the envelope, unlike Dave's problems with them and Ozzie post offices. Plus, no problems adding a China Export sticker on to each ruler going to Germany.
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Considering sellers in China seem to be able to post stuff out worldwide fpr peanuts, maybe the ideal solution is to get someone there to collect from PCBcart and ship. Obviously the tricky part is finding a reliable contact to do it.
Taobao agents sometimes can offer drop shipping services, get the stuff shipped to their warehouse probably in Shenzhen, they can pack and send for a fee. I currently use bhiner.com for my Taobao'ing needs, not the cheapest but their English at their customer service email is very good (for China), and I believe they can do drop shipping.
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The uRulers finally arrived in Hong Kong! And yes, it has the Swedish Post stamp on it. Very good quality rulers, love them!
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I think next time Dave should choose a person per country and ship them the rulers, envelopes and the cards along with the country recipients, and then farm it out to a distributed network. The remote packer pays the postage for the area and posts them, and this can be regarded as a contribution to the forum to keep Sagan with a roof over his head.
That is not as easy as it sounds. There are 58 counties!
Even if I did the major countries I'd have to liaise with (and trust) a few dozen people to send these things out.
I guess you only need one person to screw up and it really would not look good.
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Any profit left after all the problems?
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Any profit left after all the problems?
So far, yes, but the problem are not sorted yet, and won't be for mayb a month until I get a count of who didn't receiver what. Then I might have to do another run of rulers just to resupply the lost units.
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Any profit left after all the problems?
So far, yes, but the problem are not sorted yet, and won't be for mayb a month until I get a count of who didn't receiver what. Then I might have to do another run of rulers just to resupply the lost units.
Make a few extra for me... :D
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Hi all,
One more arrived in Hong Kong. Funny how they all arrive at different date to the same place ???
Anyway, well done Dave and thanks for all the hardwork!
ben
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Hi there from Germany,
the Rulers just arvied here. All in best condition.
Many Thanks fore your effort.
Janaha
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Yeah, I also received my rulers today in Karlsruhe, Germany. Everything is fine! Thx Dave!
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Thanks.
It seems Germany, UK, and Denmark have received them, all with Swedish stamps.
Still no US or Canada though.
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The uRulers arrived in the UK today :)
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Received in good condition this morning in London UK.
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Thanks.
It seems Germany, UK, and Denmark have received them, all with Swedish stamps.
Still no US or Canada though.
And I meant to check for it this weekend too. I'll check the mailbox tomorrow before going to work. But they definitely weren't here on Friday.
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Hi,
I live in the UK.
I received my rulers today. Thanks, Dave. :)
Well packaged, with a good strong envelope. The glue attaching the rulers to the card was just strong enough to keep them in place in transit, but easy to remove and leaves no marks.
It has a Swedish post mark similar to the one in the photo on the blog.
Cheers.
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Hi all,
Mine arrived in the UK (Staffordshire) this morning. All fine and postmarked Sweeden too.
Cheers
Z
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Well packaged, with a good strong envelope. The glue attaching the rulers to the card was just strong enough to keep them in place in transit, but easy to remove and leaves no marks.
Seems like the cardboard, Tyvek envelope, and glue combo is a complete winner for sending PCBs by letter mail.
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Recieved in Scotland this morning.
Thanks Dave!
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Another Scottish delivery received here, Swedish post mark.
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Yay, my rulers arived in Germany today!
(http://i.imgur.com/OQ5HYQE.jpg)
Thanks Dave!
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Another Scottish delivery here today also.
Again, from Sweden.
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Another Scottish delivery here..............
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Just received my 2 rulers here in Bayern, Germany (via Sweden).
All in good shape....The packaging redesign is a winner!
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Ja, in Bavaria, in denen die Bäume aus Holz sind.
(Monty Python reference)
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Mine arrived in Denmark today, too :-+
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Mine (Lower Saxony, Germany) have arrived today as well :happyface
They are in a good condition. Thanks a lot. Also took a few photos:
https://plus.google.com/107840293558759743603/posts/bhsiA8gjTB5
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Jep, my ruler also arrived in Germany :P Direct from Sweden :-DD
One question: Can it be that maybe Dave is a Swede? a conspiracy ? maybe... :-DD
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The mailing daemon was kind as well to me today. Five uRulers to rule them all arrived safely today, also in Denmark. :-+
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/uruler/?action=dlattach;attach=66764;image)
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mine found their way to germany, too
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Mine arrived today in south Germany
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Mine arrived in good condition here in the UK (from Sweden!). The envelope and packing method worked perfectly. Thanks, Dave, for all the trials and tribulations you went through to make it happen.
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And 5 received in Denmark, Thanks! They look great. :-)
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Thanks from Germany. My uRulers arrived today. :)
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µRuler arrived today. They are worth every cent!
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They successfully made their journey across the north sea into Yorkshire today. Thanks very much Dave! :-+
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/uruler/?action=dlattach;attach=66775;image)
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I got mine today! Thanks from Germany :-+
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I got my µRulers today (Cologne, Germany). They arrived in good condition and look really awesome! Thank you very much, Dave! :-+
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The mailing daemon was kind as well to me today. Five uRulers to rule them all arrived safely today, also in Denmark. :-+
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/uruler/?action=dlattach;attach=66764;image)
Did you pay postdanmark ?
I did order 2*2 to get under the magic 80kr ;)
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/uruler/?action=dlattach;attach=66791;image)
Seems like the cardboard, Tyvek envelope, and glue combo is a complete winner for sending PCBs by letter mail.
Yes no problem here. Thanks Dave !
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Heeeeey, the uRulers have arrived in Solingen, Germany. I left work kinda early today to rescue them from the freezing cold mailbox. Thanks Dave! The rulers are a thing of beauty and a joy forever ;)
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/uruler/?action=dlattach;attach=66795)
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Mine arrived in deepest darkest Essex today :)
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Also received my rulers today in Germany, in excellent condition! Dave, want to say thank you for your careful updates all the time during this project. We never felt left alone a single moment. Great job! And the same is true for your blog! Keep up the good work! :-+
Christian
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Hi Dave,
my 5 uRulers arrived here in Germany today. :-+ All in very good conditions and send from Sweden.
Thanks for that project.
Martin
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Another ruler arrived in the UK (Surrey). Postmarked Sweden.
Thanks, Dave, they look great.
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Arrived in Mancher, uk today
Many thanks for your work dave :-+
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I can report another set of rulers arrived safe and well today, in Tynemouth, in the UK, with a Swedish postmark.
Thanks Dave.
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Rulers arrived in Hamburg, Germany today via Malmo, Sweden.
Thank you Dave. These are cool!
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Hi David,
I'm living in Germany (Halle(Saale), Sachsen-Anhalt, 06114), Yesterday I got my FIVE ruler. That's great!
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Yet another to the UK...
Same as the others - a postage paid Sweden sticker over the Australia post paid printing.
Envelope intact - rulers ok...
Regards
Wonko The Sane...
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Hi Dave,
received the µRulers today in Dortmund, Germany.
I remember that you said that the manufacturer had to add an additional hole into the ruler, but mine don't have this additional hole.
Regards,
Robert
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Successful delivery near Bremen in Northern Germany. Swedish Stamp.
fchk
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Hi Dave,
rulers arrived in Germany with Swedish stamp. Thanks a lot for your good work! :-+ :-+ :-+
hammy
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My rulers arrived fine this morning in NE London UK, also sent from Sweden.
Thank you Dave for all your effort and time spent on this.
Tony
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Arrived Yesterday in Kidderminster UK. Postmarked from Sweden
Thanks Dave and keep up the hard work.
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Just arrived here in Berlin Germany. And yes, it was posted from Malmo Sweden. Priority A mail, whatever that means.
Also the rulers were not taped down, but gunked. That kind of rubbery stuff used in magazines to stick goodies into them. Easy to remove.
And, no problems or hassle with customs, as it is all EU.
(http://s17.postimg.org/saa7659xn/P1100263.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/saa7659xn/)(http://s17.postimg.org/6qk492lcb/P1100264.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6qk492lcb/)(http://s17.postimg.org/8i816uydn/P1100265.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8i816uydn/)(http://s17.postimg.org/v5nad0dxn/P1100266.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/v5nad0dxn/)
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Just arrive yesterday in Hong Kong! :-+
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I have not received my package here in Sweden. I guess that filling in "State/Province/Region" may have messed things up as we don't use that info in our postage system. Or it's just stuck somewhere in the country.
They have very poor service for private customers, we are just a fraction of the sales and are treated like tumors. On the other hand they have excellent service and prices for companies.
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Arrived Yesterday in Kidderminster UK. Postmarked from Sweden
Thanks Dave and keep up the hard work.
Same here :-+
(You must be the other DY11 postmark that you can see on Daves video ;) )
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Another 5 rulers arrived in Karlsruhe, Germany.
I thank Dave for keeping us updated what's going on.
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Am I the only one in Sweden who haven't got the rulers yet?
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My rulers arrived yesterday in Germany. :-+
The stamp is from Sweden.
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Am I the only one in Sweden who haven't got the rulers yet?
No, I'm also a swede and haven't received the rulers yet.
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Got mine yesterday (I'm in the UK)
Really pleased - thanks Dave
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Both my roomate and myself both got ours today!!! Up here in Humboldt County, CA, both where processed through New Zealand Direct Link.
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Just arrived a few minutes ago, here in Southern California. The rulers are awesome. Shipped from Auckland, New Zealand.
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Southern California here too, mine also came through New Zealand.
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Just arrived a few minutes ago, here in Southern California. The rulers are awesome. Shipped from Auckland, New Zealand.
Thanks. Have shared this with the mailing house. Still no reply from Direct Link on why it took so long.
Still many other countries to go though, there were 57 or so total!
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Just notified by my local Ikea store, they said I could pick up my ruler, particle board cabinet and can of salmon tomorrow. ;)
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Just notified by my local Ikea store, they said I could pick up my ruler, particle board cabinet and can of salmon tomorrow. ;)
:-DD :palm:
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Cape Town, South Africa
My uRulers were just handed to me by my friendly postman. Envelope in perfect condition with a swedish post stamp with all my uRulers in Perfect condition.
Thanks Dave, look forward to using them :)
edit added picture
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Rulers have arrived in the California SF Bay Area (Silicon Valley!) via NZ.
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Mine have arrived in Switzerland (not Sweden!) postmarked in Sweden(not Switzerland!). Thank you very much!
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France reporting in. Got them today. Everything is in order.
Best regards,
Dan
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YAY!
Just got my uRulers in South Africa- everything in perfect condition with a swedish post stamp!
Thanks Dave!
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YAY!
Just got my uRulers in South Africa- everything in perfect condition with a swedish post stamp!
Thanks Dave!
South Africa, NOT South America. ;)
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YAY!
Just got my uRulers in South Africa- everything in perfect condition with a swedish post stamp!
Thanks Dave!
South Africa, NOT South America. ;)
hahaha :-DD
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Hi,
from south of France, five uRulers arrived today, I did not think I needed my glasses to read it !
Thanks.
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Check this out:
One of my uRulers does not have the additional hole at the 1 inch mark. (Germany, Berlin)
How did that happen ?
Did one from the first (Australian Batch) slip in ?
There are following differences:
While the extra hole ones have a slight curvature, the non extra hole ruler is straight, so it can lie flat on a table.
While the extra hole ones are a little bit rough along the CM side, the non extra hole ruler is similarly smooth on both measurement edges. But the difference is really slight.
Also:
Can anyone explain all the Tables on the uRuler ? I don't really get all of them.
So there are holes from 0.4mm to 2.0mm , so you can check if your THT components would fit a specific hole.
There are example traces from 5 mil to 20 mil, so you can see how wide they are. (It would be nice to have this on the border of the ruler so you can compare it to traces on a PCB)
There are some SMD-IC leg separation gauges, from 0.4mm to 0.8mm
Then there are many tables:
From left to right
oz - µm -> How much (in oz weight) copper is used on a size ?? PCB with a cladding of µm thikness.. (How big is the reference Board for this ? 1meter x 1 meter ? )
SMD footprints -> OK, size diagram including 4 examples. including new and (old) SMD size codes. What does the POW column mean ?
mil - µm -> OK, pretty straightforward.
mm - inch formula -> OK, know that from the top of my head, but it's nice to have.
Spacing - V - int - mask - bare -> Whats this ? minimal spacing for isolation ? int - internal layer / mask - top layer with mask / bare - top layer no mask I guess ? What is (> 3km ) ? 3 kilometers ?
Max A SMOBC @ 0.5 oz -> WTF ? I have no idea what this is about ?
Max A SMOBC @ 1.0 oz -> WTF ? I have no idea what this is about ?
Via Amps -> Nice, you just recently posted a video on this :)
SQ PIN to DIA mm -> Again, I have no idea what this is about ? Inner surface area of a via maybe ?
EIA SMD TANTALUM -> Nope, does not ring a bell...
So if anyone knows what these tables depict, we should throw together a users guide.
I guess it's easier to use the tables once you know what they are about..
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Am I the only one in Sweden who haven't got the rulers yet?
No, I'm also a swede and haven't received the rulers yet.
The same here.
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Mine arrived yesterday (UK), all fine., Swedish postmark also.
For some reason I was expecting 12" rulers!
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oz - µm -> How much (in oz weight) copper is used on a size ?? PCB with a cladding of µm thikness.. (How big is the reference Board for this ? 1meter x 1 meter ? )
It's oz. per square foot.
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Rules just showed here in Indiana, USA.
Thanks Dave
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Arrived yesterday in Las Vegas, Nevada with Australian Postage...
-EM
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Arrived in the state of Virginia, USA today in good shape.
However, the postage meter impression is "Direct New Zealand" Auckland, not Sweden.
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Byron Center Michigan today. NZ postmark with AU postmark underneath. Ill try to post pics tonight.
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My wife sent me an SMS telling me they arrived.. and she didn't know what the world they were.
So, arrived in South Carolina okay.
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Good, should be in the post by me tomorrow then. Durban, South Africa ( Not South America, though there are a lot of similarities.....)
Will have to wait for Michael from the post office then tomorrow morning.
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Got mine yesterday. California USA.... check.
:EDIT:
Forgot the postmark. New Zealand (direct link)
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Got mine today. Maryland, USA
Thanks!
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Arrive in New York, USA today in perfect condition.
No sign of Swedish Postage, though.
http://i.imgur.com/8WLTV1w.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/8WLTV1w.jpg)
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Just received my 5 today in Michigan, via Direct Link in New Zealand.
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The rulers arrived in perfect condition two days ago. Dortmund, Germany.
They look simply awesome!
A short explanation of all tables shown would be great.
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Arrived in St. Louis, Missouri today. LOVE these things! Looks like it went through New Zealand as well.
Thanks Dave!
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The microrulers arrived this morning (Nov. 13) in Switzerland!
All the best,
vieirae
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I got all 5 of mine today in Wisconsin.
(http://i.imgur.com/kkkerCO.jpg)
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Woot! Woot! Just got mine in today in Sunnyvale, California.
(http://i.imgur.com/aEjSauAl.jpg)
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I got mine today in France! Bravo!
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Mine arrived today in NC , US. They look great. Thanks Dave.
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Just got it today in Miami, FL USA. via Direct Link in New Zealand.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3827/10843912875_0c79a048dc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79192364@N07/10843912875/)
µRuler.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79192364@N07/10843912875/#) by systems tech (http://www.flickr.com/people/79192364@N07/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7448/10844185134_7969228b4d_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79192364@N07/10844185134/)
20131113_164511.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/79192364@N07/10844185134/#) by systems tech (http://www.flickr.com/people/79192364@N07/), on Flickr
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2 arrived in NYC today . . .
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Another US set of rulers! Thanks Dave, these are awesome ;D shipping method was perfect!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-34_JzlOLGXw/UoP6mlj0ePI/AAAAAAAAAqg/BLt6J9yTVPI/s1600/IMG_00000134.jpg)
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Arrived in Michigan, United States today. Gonna be pimpin on my next Electronics exam at university. :-+
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I can't believe I got mine the same day as several others in the US. My mail carrier is usually a day late. Mine were also shipped from New Zealand.
These made it to Georgia OK. (That's the state of Georgia, in the US, not the former Soviet Republic)
The famous staircase, with my collection of EEVBLOG rulers. (Official excavatoree-cat approved)
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5 x in Arizona :)
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Mine arrived in Cincinnati Ohio today. The postage sticker said it came from Direct Link in New Zealand.
Great rulers and the entertainment value of your travails was worth more than the price of admission.
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Nothing in Texas yet. I checked at a little before 3:00PM but I suppose the mail carrier could be late I had no other mail either.
But that's normal also, I sometimes go a few days with nothing, so in most cases I check once every week or every other week.
So it nearly the same amount of time for the rulers to arrive to NZ directly as it did for them to be routed and come to the US through NZ.
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Got mine today in southern Illinois (St. Louis Missouri area)!
thanks!
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Another Maryland USA sighting here. Direct Link New Zealand postmark.
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Another delivery confirmation for 5x in Cincinnati, Ohio. Thanks Dave!
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Arrived safely in Connecticut, USA via New Zealand.
Don't know if anyone mentioned that Lady Ada has jumped on the PCB Ruler bandwagon.
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Dave, since you gave me mine when I was in Sydney in August, I wasn't expecting these... but they did arrive in the Chicago area today. Thanks! Now I have some more to give away!
-John
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oz - µm -> How much (in oz weight) copper is used on a size ?? PCB with a cladding of µm thikness.. (How big is the reference Board for this ? 1meter x 1 meter ? )
Ounces per square foot, as already mentioned - it's the other common way to express the cladding thickness.
SMD footprints -> OK, size diagram including 4 examples. including new and (old) SMD size codes. What does the POW column mean ?
Guessing at this one, but typical power ratings in watts for those footprints?
Max A SMOBC @ 0.5 oz -> WTF ? I have no idea what this is about ?
Max A SMOBC @ 1.0 oz -> WTF ? I have no idea what this is about ?
Current-carrying capacity of traces in 0.5 / 1 oz thick copper - the figures are trace width in mils, amps per ten/five/one degree rise above ambient temperature, and (I think) milliohms per inch of trace length. SMOBC = Solder Mask Over Bare Copper.
SQ PIN to DIA mm -> Again, I have no idea what this is about ? Inner surface area of a via maybe ?
Conversion between the size of a square pin and its bounding circle (-> the size of a hole to accommodate it).
EIA SMD TANTALUM -> Nope, does not ring a bell…
Standard case sizes of SMD tantalum caps.
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I got my uRuler in the mail today. I am from Indiana USA.
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Thanks @baljemmett for the detailed explanations
So can anyone clarify the last unknown for me : the last column on the 4th table (Table : Spacing, column >3km)
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Confirmed receipt of my rulers in Brooklyn, NY
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Confirming receipt of rulers in Coolville, OH USA
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Dave, since you gave me mine when I was in Sydney in August
One of the few people who've ever visited the lab!
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Confirming receipt of rulers in Coolville, OH USA
Holy crap, I want to live in Coolville! :-+
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Dave, uRulers arrived in my mail box today in Vancouver Washington, USA. Tyvek envelope is unharmed. Thanks for your efforts.
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Not in Port Angeles, Washington yet but getting closer! . Maybe tomorrow!
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Got mine today (though only 2, and not the 5 =( ). Postmark was from NZ. No Swedish Postmark at all.
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Five uRulers arrived safely in Muskegon, Michigan, USA yesterday via New Zealand.
Thanks Dave :-+
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Don't know if anyone mentioned that Lady Ada has jumped on the PCB Ruler bandwagon.
I also got both. They make a good couple, don't they?
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Don't know if anyone mentioned that Lady Ada has jumped on the PCB Ruler bandwagon.
I also got both. They make a good couple, don't they?
I received my Adafruit rulers for almost 2 weeks. Highly recommended. My uRuler yet to arrive. High chance they may be lost, I am in Singapore.
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Rulers have arrived in the bustling metropolis of Marble, Minnesota.
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Got mine in Massachusetts, USA on the 13th!
The mailing house had truncated my zip code. Mine is 5 digits starting with a zero but since it was stored as a number, the zip code on the envelope was only 4 digits.
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I received my 5 µRulers yesterday(11/14/2013) in Columbus, Indiana, USA. They are from New Zealand. Boy, that envelope is bull-strong. Useful little things. :-+ :clap:
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Received 11/13/2013, "Direct" from New Zealand:
(http://zmabz.smugmug.com/photos/i-5G3vwGx/0/XL/i-5G3vwGx-XL.jpg)
Cheers,
Mark
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I got mine yesterday, as well. Dayton, Ohio.
I forgot that I ordered five!
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Got mine in Massachusetts, USA on the 13th!
The mailing house had truncated my zip code. Mine is 5 digits starting with a zero but since it was stored as a number, the zip code on the envelope was only 4 digits.
That was Dave's Excel Document. I sent him a message about it, specifically. Obviously didn't get through...
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Received all 5 yesterday in Virginia. Thanks, Dave!
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Got my rulers today direct from New Zealand package and rulers in great shape...
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My rulers showed up today in Mpls Minnesota - thanks Dave!
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A comparison of the uRuler to the Adafruit ruler!
uRuler Adafruit
Color Red Black
Length 7 inches 6 inches
Flexibility Flexible 0.6 mm thick Stiff 1.5 mm thick
Content Mostly charts Mostly component footprints
Ego of developer:
uRuler - a full side devoted to the web address - really?
Adafruit "One PCB to RULER them all" - yikes!
Conclusion: complementary collectibles - ya gotta have 'em both!
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Got mine here in Idaho today seems like if we have them here everyone should have them now.
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My 5 rulers arrived today in the middle of nowhere, southern New Hampshire via New Zealand like the rest of the US recipients have posted so far.
Thank you Dave!
PS: I need to remember to get one of the Negative Feedback T-shirts the next time they're available.
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A comparison of the uRuler to the Adafruit ruler!
uRuler Adafruit
Color Red Black
Length 7 inches 6 inches
Flexibility Flexible 0.6 mm thick Stiff 1.5 mm thick
Content Mostly charts Mostly component footprints
Ego of developer:
uRuler - a full side devoted to the web address - really?
It was a promotional item for the Open Hardware Summit! Would be pretty stupid to put one in the conference goodie bag without promotional stuff on it.
BTW, the 2nd side was free (the original one was only single sided) and I had no time to add any other technical stuff to the bottom, so I just whacked on my web address and youtube channel name.
I did not redesign it for the Pozible campaign because it was never supposed to be this big, it was only for those who were asking for one, and I didn't want to put any more work into than I had too at the time.
It's 0.5mm BTW.
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Got mine today in NY via New Zealand!
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Deep south of Louisiana, the rulers have arrived!
Thanks Dave.
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I'm not sure what all of the charts are. Is there a description of what they are?
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I received mine today here in Nebraska, smack dab in the middle of the US. They look great too. Thanks!
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...and New Jersey too.
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Another consignment of 5 arrived in South Africa via Sweden.
Cheers Dave!
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Hi...I just got out of hospital....And I am one of the unfortunate people to receive an empty envelope....I hope it is not too late to still get the uRulers...Thanks...Jeff
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#439
I know - they're both pretty much promotional. I was just playing around, no criticism intended.
My cheap caliper read 0.57, so I rounded up.
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(http://www.itsfyn.dk/upload/Dave-Thanks.jpg)
Hi Dave
I received my ruler yesterday here in Denmark.
Thanks a lot Dave :)
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Got mine in New Hampshire on November 14 2013 in good shape.
Do most of the rullers have a slight curl to them?
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I received mine yesterday, Nov. 14th here in California. Beauty!
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Got mine in New Hampshire on November 14 2013 in good shape.
Do most of the rullers have a slight curl to them?
Mine do. They may have been rolled by some piece of postal equipment, or maybe there is just a natural curvature to the pcb material.
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Got mine today safe and sound on the other side of the world. Nice looking rulers. :-+
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Got mine today (11/15/2013 or 15/11/2013). Ohio, USA. I guess it is safe to say the flood gates have opened. Once again, through New Zealand DL. Thanks Dave! First impression took me by surprise how small they are. Perfect!
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Received mine in the UK yesterday, cheers Pal, lovely bit of work
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US/NC arrived.
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Received mine today, in Florida, USA. The rulers are things of beauty, especially with the delicate gold traces. Congratulations, Dave, for a job well done-- and for your great persistence.
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Received my rulers in fine shape. They're very nice, thanks (Pennsylvania, USA).
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Got mine in New Hampshire on November 14 2013 in good shape.
Do most of the rullers have a slight curl to them?
Mine do. They may have been rolled by some piece of postal equipment, or maybe there is just a natural curvature to the pcb material.
My rulers also have a slight curvature - all five of them.
The conclusion must be that it is natural curvature of the pcb material, otherwise you would have three curving one way, and the other two (on the other side of the card insert) curving the other way.
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Still nothing in Texas. :(
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Got mine in New Hampshire on November 14 2013 in good shape.
Do most of the rullers have a slight curl to them?
Mine do. They may have been rolled by some piece of postal equipment, or maybe there is just a natural curvature to the pcb material.
My rulers also have a slight curvature - all five of them.
The conclusion must be that it is natural curvature of the pcb material, otherwise you would have three curving one way, and the other two (on the other side of the card insert) curving the other way.
That is most likely caused by the dreaded automated sorting machine. If you bend FR-4 too far it will retain it's new shape. Bending opposite direction will usually fix that.
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Just received mine. It's 18-th of November. It came form Singapore.
Greetings from Bulgaria.
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Yep, just received mine and they also came via Singapore. Because... you know... Sweden is really far away.
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Yep, just received mine and they also came via Singapore. Because... you know... Sweden is really far away.
Yes, strange thing. But the most interesting is they even changed the return address with a sticker over the original one.
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Is it still possible to get one of the rulers? Maybe someone in Germany has more than he needs?
Unfortunately I missed the hole.
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Woohoo! Finally they're here. :)
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finally got mine, and in one piece.
they look great, thanks Dave
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yes, received mine too today. In sweden, shipped from sweden.
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Got mine today, they went all the way around the planet to get to me. Swedish post with a return address for the Swedish mailer on the stamp and the EEVblog return printed on the envelope.
Funny thing is Tyvek is very strong, but the glue used to close the envelope is actually stronger than the Tyvek, which delaminated in trying to open it.
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Mine also arrived today (in Sweden), marked as priority mail from Malmö (like the others). Slightly faded print on the envelope showed my address and the EEVBlog-uRuler Australian address (which lacked country!), and a sticker had the Malmö return address and postage paid for swedish post, but international mail.
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Pennsylvania, USA checking in. It either arrived today or Saturday (didn't check my mail on Saturday). Mine went through NZ. (Picture attached, I think).
Quick edit: there is a orange bar-code style print on the back. I usually see them on the front, and I think it was mentioned this was missing.
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Direct Link are claiming that these rulers didn't all go via NZ or Sweden, they only had that because they had to have something.
Still no explanation why it took 3 weeks to get anywhere, and why there are still dozens of countries without any delivered at all.
They said they should have all been delivered yesterday :-DD
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I got mine here ins Arizona on November 13th.
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Hi! Lithuania, Kaunas checking in. uRulers are in my hands :) The delivery was done by Singapore as I understand :D
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Just went to check the mail and this was waiting for me.
(http://i.imgur.com/xAMATvBl.jpg)
(FIN)
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Greeting from Bulgaria! Got mine all intact via Singapore-mail.
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I finally got my two rulers yesterday! (Sweden)
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Just went to check the mail and this was waiting for me.
http://i.imgur.com/xAMATvBl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/xAMATvBl.jpg)
(FIN)
I went in for a closer look
http://i.imgur.com/xAMATvB.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/xAMATvB.jpg) Bigger picture
The middle one (third from bottom and top), IS FAULTY :-BROKE.
Silkscreen on 2.0mm to 1.4mm is faded. Also text "EEVBLOG.COM µRuler" text has jagged edges for the same reason. When I look really close with good light, I can see it looks like rasterized, with not enough ink. Maybe their machine ran low/out on white ink/silkscreening?
I don't actually care about this miniscule fault on mine, it just makes them unique. No need for replacements, just thought it would be good thing to report about this.
Also figured out why the rulers might be curved, only one side has red soldermask, Dave shipped these rulers so fast they didn't have time to dry out while kept straight. Now we have slightly curved rulers. ^-^
Thin "painted" things tend to curve to the side when paint dries. That's why if thin wood needs to be kept straight (diy projector screen), it needs to be painted both sides at same time before either one dries.
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Received mine this morning in Ireland.
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They have arrived!
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Today my uRulers arrived to finland. Nothing special on the envelope
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^-^
Received my 5 Rulers , New Port Richey, FL
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Got my 5 rulers last week , was going to mention here but the BLOG was down :(
Following the thread on using ruler , will copy when it seems done ;)
Thanks John
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Mine arrived on Nov 19th, in Ireland. Thanks!
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Received my two rules today (19-11-2013) in the Netherlands!
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I went in for a closer look
http://i.imgur.com/xAMATvB.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/xAMATvB.jpg) Bigger picture
The middle one (third from bottom and top), IS FAULTY :-BROKE.
Silkscreen on 2.0mm to 1.4mm is faded. Also text "EEVBLOG.COM µRuler" text has jagged edges for the same reason. When I look really close with good light, I can see it looks like rasterized, with not enough ink. Maybe their machine ran low/out on white ink/silkscreening?
Issue can be clearly seen on that top ruler. Rounded corner.
After playing around all day with my shiny new µRulers (I was doing other things and just fiddling around with them, also I played only with two but all five are the same), I noticed all of my 5 rulers have a notch at the inch measurement end. Measurement end is not straight. Not all corners are exactly the same, some rulers have bigger notch than others, one is almost non existent, if the others didn't have it I wouldn't have noticed. Millimeter start and end are straight, inches start is straight and stop looks like router was badly configured to produce these in a hurry, so it took too much from the end.
Anyone else have this? I doubt it's only my rulers. The faded silkscreen might be more rare issue. Not that it is a huge issue for me, thought I should still report it. Might still be enough to complain to pcb manufacturer for discount on possible new batch?
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I got my 5 uRulers today (19-11-2013) in the Netherlands.
And i can also see the very tiny notch on all my rulers like Legit-Design mentioned but that's not a problem.
Tanks Dave :)
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The uRules arrived in the Netherlands.
They look perfectly fine.
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Hai guis
I received mine also in Netherlands
Notice the stamp, though maybe it has to be like that
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My five µRulers arrived today. Greetings from Romania! :D
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Hi Dave,
Received my 5 rulers today in the Netherlands. It took some time, but it was worth the wait.
Thanks,
Peter
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Another one in Finland came today.
Thanks for the rulers and the blog!
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...and my 5 rulers too in Finland today (19.11.)
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I got mine today, envelope looked like ViceSpys' picture. The Australian post label was covered by the sticker; no idea which country they were posted from. (I'm only 200 miles from Sweden, but I don't think they came there.)
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5 rulers reporting in from Czech republic. With singapore stamp, and a return adress to singapore. Why not, it is just a mere 12000km away :o
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Received my uRuler too, Netherlands.. Envelope has some minor damage, the rulers are fine.
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Received 5 uRulers here (Sweden) today, sent from "DLWW Pty Ltd, Malmo, Sweden".
No problems except some slight warping and a slightly smudged silkscreen on one. Already using them. Thanks!
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I was one of the people contacted later into this that was told that my address was not on file, despite me already being aware of the issue and being 100% sure I entered it in the day I pledged the money.
Were those by chance sent at a later date? That might explain why mine hasn't arrived yet.
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Another one in Ireland. 5 awesome µRulers just arrived to my doorstep today :-+
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Were those by chance sent at a later date? That might explain why mine hasn't arrived yet.
No, all were sent at the same time. I exported the database a day before they were sent, so if your address was in by then it would have made it, otherwise nothing was sent at all.
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No sign of uruler here in italy... :-(
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Received the rulers last weekend here in Southern Germany, the stamp says "Malmo, Sweden".
Made 3 friends happy and kept a couple for myself ;)
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Got my ruler today! Envelope in almost perfect condition with 5 rulers really well glued onto the cardboard, took some doing getting them off ^-^
Good job Dave! :-+
Netherlands btw
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0FYDn-5YoK8/UovwEfJOurI/AAAAAAAAI7A/U1PkOcd2eiM/w1113-h835-no/IMG_20131120_001032.jpg)
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This is a list of countries who have not received them yet, as far as I can gather:
ARGENTINA
AUSTRIA
BANGLADESH
BELARUS
BELGIUM
BOLIVIA
BRAZIL
CANADA
CHANNEL ISLANDS (UK)
CHILE
COLOMBIA
COSTA RICA
CROATIA
HOLLAND
HUNGARY
ICELAND
INDIA
ITALY
JAPAN
LATVIA
LEBANON
LUXEMBOURG
MEXICO
NORWAY
POLAND
PORTUGAL
RUSSIA
SLOVAKIA
SLOVENIA
SPAIN
SUOMI
TAIWAN (R.O.C)
THAILAND
TURKEY
UKRAINE
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
URUGUAY
If you have received in one of those countries listed, please report in.
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This is a list of countries who have not received them yet, as far as I can gather:
... ...
If you have received in one of those countries listed, please report in.
New Zealand is not in your list, but I haven't seen mine, keep waiting. 8)
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Got both of mine in perfect condition last week. Just forgot to post up cause I was busy :P
Thanks Dave!
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/MediaRocker543/IMG_20131119_194423.jpg)
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Got mine here in Iceland
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Mine arrived in Alaska today!
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q244/Kryoclasm/microruler.png)
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Another batch made it to Indiana, USA! :-+
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HOLLAND
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SUOMI
I think you can scratch those from the list.
Holland is a region of the Netherlands. Suomi is another name for Finland.
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OK! Welcome to Thailand! ;-)
PS. It supposed to be in my hand last weekend. But messenger put envelope behind my monitor! LOL!
(http://s24.postimg.org/jgrikfzzl/IMG_20131120_151427.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jgrikfzzl/)
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Got mine today in Slovenia, thanks Dave, but this mailing house has strange ways, instead of shipping to all EU countries from Sweden (would be faster I think) they sent from Singapore (probably cheeper).
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Mine arrived yesterday. All five survived the post delivery process successfully to Finland.
Regards,
Janne
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I got mine in the mail yesterday in The netherlands, not sure about Holland though >:D
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Got my rulers this Monday (November 18), in Sweden, cheers!
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Mine arrived here in Ireland this morning 20-Nov-2013. Nice and securely packaged, though I don't see any exotic postmarks as to what route it took. Thanks Dave.
Will be up on Ebay shortly *, get them now and beat the Christmas rush!
Billy.
* - Just kidding.
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This is a list of countries who have not received them yet, as far as I can gather:
(Snip.)
HOLLAND
(Snip.)
If you have received in one of those countries listed, please report in.
Holland is The Netherlands, where at least some ruler recipients are reporting from. :)
Edit: I'm way too slow here, will go hide in a corner now... :palm: ;D
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Just got mine here in Belgium from our friendly postman! :-+
They are just a little bit warped, but in great condition!
Well worth the wait.
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Just got mine delivered to Finland few minutes ago, all 5 are perfect.
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Another one in Belgium.
uRulers arrived today, november 20th 2013.
In perfect condition.
Worth the wait ;)
Thx Dave
Greetings from Alt-hoeselt,
Dirk
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uRulers arrived, Belgium.
(http://jeroen.busschop.be/files/uRuler_belgium.jpg)
The postage stamp is not from Sweden, but the logo on the postage stamp indicates that it was sent with "Emirates post" (http://www.epg.gov.ae/ (http://www.epg.gov.ae/)).
As far as I can tell the "Emirates post" only has post offices in the United Arab Emirates...
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Guernsey in Channel Islands (UK) received two weeks back. Happy Steve
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Received in the Netherlands (or Holland) today. Was feeling a bit left out because there were a lot of reports from here yesterday, but it looks like I left my work address and not my home... All good now :)
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uRulers arrived, Belgium.
The postage stamp is not from Sweden, but the logo on the postage stamp indicates that it was sent with "Emirates post" (http://www.epg.gov.ae/ (http://www.epg.gov.ae/)).
As far as I can tell the "Emirates post" only has post offices in the United Arab Emirates...
If envelopes could talk. :blah:
I am not going to throw it away, it has a story all of it's own!
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This is a list of countries who have not received them yet, as far as I can gather:
...
TAIWAN (R.O.C)
...
If you have received in one of those countries listed, please report in.
I have already reported mine, in fact I was one of the earlier international ones:
Ok, quick international tally in order of arrival:
Sweden
Singapore
Taiwan (me)
Taiwan is 50% complete then! :-+
No Swedish post on mine, that sticker is the local TW post office sticker
(http://i.imgur.com/Ej3dD9H.jpg)
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Yay, what did I get! :scared:
(http://nandblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/WP_000426-1024x768.jpg)
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Arrived in Ireland on the 19th and on initial testing I can confirm it's calibration is within tolerances :-+
Does anyone recognise where it was sent from? DXB is Dubai, but I doubt it was posted from there!
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/uruler/?action=dlattach;attach=67937;image)
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I would say that the combination of the logo and the 'AE' marking strongly suggest the Arab Emirates. Which would also explain why it took longer for these rulers to arrive than for the ones supposedly shipped via Sweden.
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uRulers arrived, Belgium.
The postage stamp is not from Sweden, but the logo on the postage stamp indicates that it was sent with "Emirates post" (http://www.epg.gov.ae/ (http://www.epg.gov.ae/)).
As far as I can tell the "Emirates post" only has post offices in the United Arab Emirates...
So some from Sweden, some from Singapore and now UAE.
With no apparent logic as to which are sent from where. :wtf:
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uRulers arrived, Belgium.
The postage stamp is not from Sweden, but the logo on the postage stamp indicates that it was sent with "Emirates post" (http://www.epg.gov.ae/ (http://www.epg.gov.ae/)).
As far as I can tell the "Emirates post" only has post offices in the United Arab Emirates...
So some from Sweden, some from Singapore and now UAE.
With no apparent logic as to which are sent from where. :wtf:
Maybe they were using this as a test bed for future shipping, now they have all this data collected by us for free. Next time they should apply some common sense, like shipping from Sweden to neighboring countries, not from half wold away. I would be happy if my parcels and letters came from Singapore, preferably with added tracking number so I don't have wait and pray. Usually Chinese/Hong kong ebay sellers offer Singapore post option, since it seems to be fastest and less prone to customs hang up.
However I'm happy I received my rulers in reasonable time, these still arrived relatively quickly comparing to my experiences, some things from china/hong kong have never arrived. (but I got my money back from ebay)
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So some from Sweden, some from Singapore and now UAE.
You forgot New Zealand!
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Latvia 33% completed. They are really nice but I noticed that 2 of the 5 have small defect. Also routing registration against pad position is much worse than on other 3 which is almost perfect.
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Emirates Post logo:
(http://www.epg.gov.ae/epweb/_en/resources/images/epg-logo.png)
And Latvia got theirs from Singapore!
/stefan
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This is a list of countries who have not received them yet, as far as I can gather:
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SUOMI
...
...
If you have received in one of those countries listed, please report in.
You probasbly didn't realize, but that is what people of Finland call Finland: Suomi.
In many lists-of-countries "Finland" is politely "translated" but doesn't necessarily connect for people from elsewhere.
So at least 2 reports, mine and Jahonen's (was there someone else as well, i seem to recall...)
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Croatia! :)
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Great Scott! Finally the uRulers arrived in Austria.
Crazy... Postage from Taiwan.
Perfect rulers. No notch on mine.
Thank you Dave.
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Yesterday in the morning I mentioned waiting for a certain envelope to a housemate of mine. When I came home in the evening there was this certain envelope in the mail :)
BTW, same postage stamp as the other envelopes received in the Netherlands.
There should be a warning regarding PCB and especially SMT stuff though: "objects in photo are way smaller than they appear and then even smaller then you think" :P Gets me every time.
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Received 5 uRulers Today in Norway. AZ postage sticker on top of AZ postage printed on envelope. No dates.
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Received 5 uRulers Today in Norway. AZ postage sticker on top of AZ postage printed on envelope. No dates.
Arizona?
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Still nothing from Canada... >:(
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Today I received 5 uRulers in northern Norway.
They were sent through UAE, despite the fact that Norway is neighboring Sweden, but it might have something to do with Norway not being a member of EU.
They are slightly curved, but no notches nor any paint problems that I have come across..
Anyhow great rulers, and I order stuff from all over the world so 1 month shipping time is nothing new to me.
Thanks for the rulers, how you handled problems and informed us about them; and the blog of course.
I have yet to be a part of crowdfunding projects where communcation have stopped, though many with less details and more infrequent updates, or ones where I have a doubt that something will be delivered at some point in the future.
Most of them are behind schedule, and on that note happy 1 year anniversary for the smARtDUINO kickstarter project, but I do not mind.
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Still nothing from Canada... >:(
I'm sure these are somewhere between whatever other post office Direct Link decided to send these off to and Canada. Anyone wants to guess if this will be through UAE or yet another country totally unrelated to either Australia or Canada? At least shipping them via Austria would have been funny given Dave's pun.
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5 rulers in the mailbox Nov 22nd in Norway.
(If really wanted I can post some of the pictures I took before, during and after opening.)
Rulers are slightly warped it seems (slight arch if you look from one end to the other).
Nothing I worry about though.
The stamp sticker thing says "Postage Paid, AE - 36716 DXB".
"Postage paid Australia" shines a bit through the sticker.
Thanks Dave! :-)
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I'm sure these are somewhere between whatever other post office Direct Link decided to send these off to and Canada. Anyone wants to guess if this will be through UAE or yet another country totally unrelated to either Australia or Canada? At least shipping them via Austria would have been funny given Dave's pun.
;D
It's a weekend now, so it's now over a month since all rulers were "shipped" from my mailing house on the 25th Oct.
:palm:
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I'm sure these are somewhere between whatever other post office Direct Link decided to send these off to and Canada. Anyone wants to guess if this will be through UAE or yet another country totally unrelated to either Australia or Canada? At least shipping them via Austria would have been funny given Dave's pun.
;D
It's a weekend now, so it's now over a month since all rulers were "shipped" from my mailing house on the 25th Oct.
:palm:
Even the "free" shipping offered on AliExpress nearly always beats a month.
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I knew the SAPO was slow, but it seems there is competition for them somewhere in the world.
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;D
It's a weekend now, so it's now over a month since all rulers were "shipped" from my mailing house on the 25th Oct.
:palm:
Pozible should add some kind of feedback system like on ebay, backers could log on and mark their perks/orders arrived. That would be a lot easier than this way, asking people to tell when their orders have arrived. Now that I think about it I don't get why they have not done it yet. Would get nice updating stats when orders are beginning to pop out all over the world.
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Yesterday, Nov 22, my 5 rulers arrived in Austria (not Australia ;)). They were in perfect condition :-+!
For Austria the envelopes seem to have gone through Taipei, Taiwan.
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/uruler/?action=dlattach;attach=68235;image)
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5 rulers in the mailbox Nov 22nd in Norway.
Rulers are slightly warped it seems (slight arch if you look from one end to the other).
I also got my 5 rulers the 22. Nov. here in Norway.
Envelope was intact, rulers were still nicely glued to the cardboard, but all have a slight warp. Two of them significantly more than the three others. The warp is about 4 mm for the worst one. Maybe it is related to moisture getting into the PCB since one of the sides are not covered with solder mask? If that is the case, I guess they will straiten out soon. Anyway, not a problem.
Thanks Dave!
Image of envelope attached.
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This is a list of countries who have not received them yet, as far as I can gather:
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I can't see Malta on that list. No sign of the uRulers here either.
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Just thought i'd add an action shot! Yep, messy workbench, I know ..
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This is a list of countries who have not received them yet, as far as I can gather:
SLOVAKIA
If you have received in one of those countries listed, please report in.
I didn't see Slovakia reported yet. I got mine on Friday (just got home and found them). All five seem to be in perfect condition, no damage to the envelope either.
Thanks, Dave :-+
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So is Texas like the ass end of the planet? Anyone from Texas get theirs yet?
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Another report from Slovakia - mine 5 came.
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I'm received in Poland today.
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Just received my uRulers here in Brazil.
They were sent by Singapore Post, and the return address was changed also.
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Poland, via airmail Singapore
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Just got my uRulers today. Malta - through Singapore Post.
Envelope looks like post #555 above.
Thanks Dave!
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Confirm, Poland via SINGAPORE AIRMAIL.
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Hi, received mine also in Brazil. The same as Frank, Singapure airmail and Sigapure return address over yours.
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I Received in Brazil too. Same as Frank and Julio (Singapore Post, return address overriden).
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Dave,
Like few others I just received my in Poland. Singapore mail.
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USA California here, have not received my rulers yet. I wonder what the tracking for a shipment like this would be. hmmm :-DD
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No joy in The Great White North... :-// :=\ |O :wtf: :scared: :palm: :-- ........ :-DD
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Poland here, via Singapore post
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No delivery here in Colorado, USA, either.
Not true it turns out. It should have said: No delivery to the wrong address (home).
In fact, the rulers were delivered to my work address (which I forgot I'd provided). I just never check my mailbox at work since it just accumulates junk mail.
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Spain checking in! Arrived from Taiwan today.
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They're here... in Canada
Recv'd: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada
Post marked: Malmo, Sweden
Look great.
I truly hope when all the 'dust clears' that this undertaking did in fact help you.
Thanks.
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Just received mine today in germany.
No damage, postage from Malmo Sweden.
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Still AWOL in the Republic of Texas.
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Received my set in Ontario, Canada (via Malmo, Sweden) today.
I must say these are very fine measuring instruments. Worth the wait.
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I truly hope when all the 'dust clears' that this undertaking did in fact help you.
It did.
I learned the hard way that there are some truly horrible shipping companies out there :palm:
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You have not met the truly horrible ones, that lose half the parcels you send via them. As they were a parastatal they did this for a very long time until even the stakeholders got embarrassed of wasting public money so much and closed the division. We liked them, as they had an insurance policy that paid out very fast and paid the shipping back as well, so you could send the goods again next day for free and probably have them get through.
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Got mine up here in Canada as well!
Just a nick on the envelope that went through, but the rulers are in perfect condition. Envelope was forwarded via Sweden.
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Here on the Canadian West Coast I can nearly see Oz if I stand on a mountain top.... nearly. It would have been quicker to swim there and get them myself... btw, still no joy.
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Oh uh, delivery to Russia happened. Just unbelievable, i thought it's gonna to take like 3 months min :)
Envelope went through Sweden post as well. Condition of package and rullers is perfect.
Sorry for the quality of photos, light conditions are not the best today and phone is pretty crappy.
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I received mine today in Spain. Great!
I think it is the first report from my country.
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Yesterday I got mine to Japan. Swedish post stamp... I'm Swedish! :o
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Just got mine in Brazil.
(http://i.imgur.com/S8mK4Tz.jpg) (http://imgur.com/S8mK4Tz)
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Just got mine in Brazil.
*snip*
You might want to black out your address a bit more, it's still readable.
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Got it, Trois-rivieres, Quebec, Canada. Envelope went through Sweden post as well. Ruler are top notch. thank you very much.
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Still have not received my 5 yet here in the UK beginning to wonder if I will.
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Still have not received my 5 yet here in the UK beginning to wonder if I will.
Same here in Portugal.... >:( :(
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Yay! Must have missed them in the Friday afternoon post! :-+ The requisite postmark from Malmo...
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More rulers arrived in Canada.
As is my habit I measured them using some gage blocks (NIST traceable chunks of metal with precise lengths).
They are very good indeed. Perhaps 2 thousandths of an inch too short per inch of measure.
(http://)
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So is Texas like the ass end of the planet? Anyone from Texas get theirs yet?
Nothing here as well...
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So is Texas like the ass end of the planet? Anyone from Texas get theirs yet?
Nothing here as well...
No love for the metroplex... :(
Maybe the mail truck is stuck on that overpass where 75 and 635 intersect.
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I'm in Canada British Columbia and i just got my awesome rulers. It was an interesting wait but worth it. The 2 rulers came glued to a piece of cardboard and they do have Malmo Sweden on the post mark.
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Just got my rulers with Sweden stamp in Russia. Awesome!
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Just got my ruler up here in Vancouver, Canada. Quite nice :)
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Got my µRulers delivered today too, here in Udine, Italy.
Perfect condition, carboard and woven envelope resisted pretty well to our local post system :D
Post mark was from Taipei, Taiwan.
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Italy (Udine): got my 5 rulers!!!
Shipped from Taipei...
Slightly warped but not too seriously! ;)
P.S.: I see there is another forum user from my same city!!!
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Italy (Udine): got my 5 rulers!!!
Shipped from Taipei...
Slightly warped but not too seriously! ;)
P.S.: I see there is another forum user from my same city!!!
I got them too today in Italy. Shipped from Taipei.
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I received my uRulers today in Hungary, with a Sweden post stamp.
Awesome rulers :)
Thanks Dave!
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Got mine here in Hungary today, via Sweden.
They look great, thanks Dave!
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Italy ( Dalmine ) arrived today
All ok, taipei stamps.
Hard glued :D
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3 more undelivered US rulers:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BanOELPCEAAt0FT.jpg:large)
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got my rulers in Uruguay!
Sweden stamp.
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3 more undelivered US rulers:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BanOELPCEAAt0FT.jpg:large)
Hi Dave,
Can I order some of those undelivered uRulers? I just saw them in one of your videos and I fall in love with them. As payment through Pozible isnt available no more, maybe you can accept it as a "donation" through the donate button. Please Dave!
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there's a little hole near the 1" mark and I'm sort of curious as to its purpose
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there's a little hole near the 1" mark and I'm sort of curious as to its purpose
I believe that's the tooling hole Dave mentioned - the PCB house told him they required an extra one for the big batch, so that they could properly handle the rulers during routing.
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Arrived in italy too!
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I received my uRulers yesterday in Belarus.
Thanks.
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Arrived this morning to Belgrade, Serbia via Singapore Post! Knowing well our Customs and Postal Service I thought we will be the last to receive it. Guess I was wrong...
Cheers,
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Anybody else from latin america? I am still waiting
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Anyone from Western Canada have one? Alberta specifically.
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it's too cool, all my nerdy friends want one!
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I got mine in Galicia via Taipei last week ... someone has blanked the original return address. Of course I also got the extra holes for free ! :-+
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Got them finally today via Sweden.
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Anybody else from latin america? I am still waiting
Credo in Brasilia acceperis aliquis eorum.
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Still waiting....
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Has anyone in Colorado/USA received one? I am still waiting.
And Dave do you read the Plozible messages?
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Has anyone in Colorado/USA received one? I am still waiting.
And Dave do you read the Plozible messages?
I can't possibly reply to everyones email and message.
Rulers are still arriving, so I am waiting a bit longer and then I will deal with all the undelivered rulers at the same time.
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(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/14/u8yqyreq.jpg)I received my 5 about mid November in the "States", but I have been away for a few weeks so just now posting. I'm military and in Japan, but the address is a California zip code so I'm actually surprise I got them already. Wasn't expecting to get them until next year.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk (http://tapatalk.com/m?id=1)
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Just received mine in Dallas, TX, USA from Directlink in NZ. They are really a beauty, although I had the impression they were larger. My dad will be glad to get one for Christmas!
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...They are really a beauty, although I had the impression they were larger. ...
I had that same thought. funny.
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...They are really a beauty, although I had the impression they were larger. ...
I had that same thought. funny.
How long did you expect a 7in ruler to be? :-//
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Dave, it is not a complaint at all; it was not about the length but the width (should have been more clear). I think the camera really adds 10 pounds, even to rulers. :)
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Unfortunately after almost 2 months i still didn't receive my rulers.... |O >:(
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Unfortunately after almost 2 months i still didn't receive my rulers.... |O >:(
I am in the same boat |O
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Dave, it is not a complaint at all; it was not about the length but the width (should have been more clear). I think the camera really adds 10 pounds, even to rulers. :)
You need a 4:3 monitor then, not widescreen. :-DD
Actually they are perfect for use.
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...They are really a beauty, although I had the impression they were larger. ...
I had that same thought. funny.
How long did you expect a 7in ruler to be? :-//
I was talking about the width.
(So many jokes about the size not meeting your expectations.... must resist.....)
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Still waiting for my uRullers to arrive to Israel :(
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People are receiving theirs with Singapore Post stamp. But here I am in Singapore, still no xmas surprise. Just wondering is there a final deadline for the shipper to ship. It appears that uRulers are being used to fill up the weigh for other deliveries but not as an assignment by itself.
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People are receiving their with Singapore Post stamp. But here I am in Singapore, still no xmas surprise. Just wondering is there an final deadline for the shipper to ship. It appears that uRulers are being used to fill up the weigh for other deliveries but not as an assigned assignment by itself.
I think it's well past now. I'll have to put a note asking for non-recipients to email me.
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It's funny, everyone who has seen my uRulers just had to stop and say how nice of a ruler it was and where did it come from, rofl.
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I think it's well past now. I'll have to put a note asking for non-recipients to email me.
I read from the blog post that Dave mentioned of 2.5% non-delivery, what is the email address to inform him of non-delivery? Maybe the spam box eaten his email to me, or maybe my email address was not given or given right to him at all? I did not receive any notice from Pozible also.
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I read from the blog post that Dave mentioned of 2.5% non-delivery, what is the email address to inform him of non-delivery? Maybe the spam box eaten his email to me, or maybe my email address was not given or given right to him at all? I did not receive any notice from Pozible also.
The notice is on the pozible update page with my email.
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Finally received my 2 uRulers today.
*I live in Israel.
*Received with Singapore Post stamp.
Thank you Dave.
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Hi.
I just got mine in Poland. Thank You Dave!
And, once again, sorry for the trouble...
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Woo hoo! I got something from NSW today! It wasn't in a Tyvek envelope, just a thick card envelope with a $2.60 stamp with a picture of the Queen on it.
So looks like Dave's re-mailings have finally arrived in Texas. When did you mail it? It seemed pretty quick.
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Received my rulers on the 17th, was postmarked 12th so that was very fast. Thanks.
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So looks like Dave's re-mailings have finally arrived in Texas. When did you mail it? It seemed pretty quick.
I tweeted a photo of it, so whatever day that was...
But yeah, regular airmail is generally pretty quick, always has been.
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I've received the re-mailed rulers in the post today! Thanks Dave! :-+
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Finally... They have arrived!
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:phew: They arrived, thank you Dave. 8)
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My ruler arrived in Cyprus yesterday, thank you Dave:)
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I do not know if this has been in the thread yet, but i post it anyway :)
I killed some time on ebay, and i found this :)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/dUIAAMXQVT9SyiZn/$_57.JPG)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-8inch-30cm-FR4-Electronic-ruler-with-lot-of-useful-info-/370979600754?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56601b7972 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-8inch-30cm-FR4-Electronic-ruler-with-lot-of-useful-info-/370979600754?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56601b7972)
hmm :)
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I have had a couple of reports of people still not receiving their rulers after the 2nd round shipments of existing missing rulers.
Sorry, but the postal system is out of my hands, and I have no more rulers in order to ship another round. I'd have to make another large batch and that isn't economically viable.
So at some point (which is now) I have to make the call that I will simply refund those who haven't received their rulers by now. There are just some countries and regions where loss in the postal system is just too high, and it's pointless to just keep re-shipping ad-infinitum.
So if you are in this boat, please email your paypal address and I'll arrange your refund.
Can we have information about the countries and regions?
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Pozible does not email update to supporters, what a feature for people to keep going to check the site. Also, my data seem to be lost, and I had to comb the site and convinced Dave I was quite early in supporting. The postal system here in SGP is quite reliable, but mine is still no where in sight. Shall wait somemore and see.
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Pozible does not email update to supporters
They do:
Dear .... .. ....
The project 'EEVblog µRuler' you are supporting on Pozible has just received an update from the project creator.
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Pozible does not email update to supporters
They do:
Dear .... .. ....
The project 'EEVblog µRuler' you are supporting on Pozible has just received an update from the project creator.
Hey, I did not get any email update from day 1. For the uCurrent on kickstarter, no issue. I am listed in the supporter page, but no email from them and also my data also not sent to Dave.
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Hey, I did not get any email update from day 1.
That is because your info was not in the Pozible system, why I do not know. I can only presume you did not fill it out.
As per my last update I am now only offering refunds on non-delivered rulers.
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Any chance we can buy some extra rulers you might have left or ones that got returned?
I missed the uRuler thing and I'd like to get one, mainly because I want a ruler with your face on it hehe.
Thanks
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Hey, I did not get any email update from day 1.
That is because your info was not in the Pozible system, why I do not know. I can only presume you did not fill it out.
As per my last update I am now only offering refunds on non-delivered rulers.
Possible, could be my Fat finger, or could be bugs, luckily these errors are seldom. Shall be good to have oa Dave's ruler> I have a small collection of a few different kinds now. If they do turn up, bonus, else won't be too bothered.
For the addict:
www.sv1afn.com/pcbruler.html (http://www.sv1afn.com/pcbruler.html)
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Where is a good place to send this out for fab? I'd like one (and missed out on BOTH the OSH Conference here and on the Pozzible deal), and so would some friends of mine. I can get maybe 10-15 people in on the deal, not much more. I did a quick quote on Sunstone, but that was very costly - I must have selected the wrong service? Or not cost-effective at this quantity?
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Where is a good place to send this out for fab?
I think Dave used http://www.pcbcart.com/ (http://www.pcbcart.com/), no reason you couldn't do the same. From what I remember they have cheap prices also for low quantities.
10 people and 3 rulers each. More is cheaper because of bigger volume.
(http://i.imgur.com/NsSssHh.png) (http://imgur.com/NsSssHh)
Please check and double check everything since those things are just off the top of my head.
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I do not know if this has been in the thread yet, but i post it anyway :)
I killed some time on ebay, and i found this :)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/dUIAAMXQVT9SyiZn/$_57.JPG)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-8inch-30cm-FR4-Electronic-ruler-with-lot-of-useful-info-/370979600754?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56601b7972 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-8inch-30cm-FR4-Electronic-ruler-with-lot-of-useful-info-/370979600754?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56601b7972)
hmm :)
I got mine today. Maybe I start collecting PCB rulers. :)
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I got mine today. Maybe I start collecting PCB rulers. :)
Heres another to add to your collection (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
(http://www.adafruit.com/images/medium/1554_MED.jpg)
http://www.adafruit.com/products/1554 (http://www.adafruit.com/products/1554)
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Just let us know that you are making a living wage on this. AU$15 for 5 is a great deal I think.
Like I said in the other thread, costing is:
For a $10 order of two boards:
$8.86 after fees
-$2 for the boards
-$2.60 for the stamp
-$0.03 for envelope
-$0.02 for label
$4.21 profit for stuffing one envelope.
Worth it? :-//
Then I pay 30% tax on that.
Only 30% Taxes...?
You are really lucky...
Here in Italy :
1) Taxes are between 55% and 65%
2) Also pay taxes even if your business is in trouble and you have a budget at a loss.
Woth it...?
:-\
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Only 30% Taxes...?
Yes, the company tax rate is 30%.
Person income tax rates range from 19% to 45% on a scaled bracket.
http://www.ato.gov.au/Rates/Individual-income-tax-rates/ (http://www.ato.gov.au/Rates/Individual-income-tax-rates/)