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$159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« on: May 05, 2021, 07:17:56 pm »
Is there any truth to the direction electrons flow thru a fusible link and does it matter?  how about the color of the print on the fuse body?  Please read the ad info from the link below.  I's really comical.

https://www.synergisticresearch.com/fuses/orange-fuse/

Gezzzz.  I guess I'll just stick to my fuses which cost less than $5.00 usd.



 

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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2021, 08:21:07 pm »
"Audiophile" is all you need to know about it.

It's a curious market; it's set up to not just allow but indeed encourage self delusion, and strictly discourages anything that might break the lie -- like double-blind testing.  I guess, since the customers are generally fiendishly wealthy, one might find a certain justice in conning themletting them con themselves, but I wouldn't exactly call that a moral imperative...

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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2021, 08:25:48 pm »
2nd Stage Rev. 2.0 Molecular realignment process

Great, I cannot wait to get some of these fuses. I need to upgrade from these: https://www.ebay.de/itm/181509391782...They simply cannot be as good as they cost only 22€ / pc.
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2021, 08:29:12 pm »
I am considering the ethical implications of this market as there must be enough idiots out there to actually sell this shit to them.

I already have this product in early development:

 
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2021, 08:58:19 pm »
https://www.synergisticresearch.com/cables/coreuef/uef-black/


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UEF Black Power Cable specifications:
Global MSRP
US $499.00/5ft

3 each 12 awg. SR Copper:
Dielectric: (EPDM) Ethylene Propylene
Connector Input US: 1 each Synergistic Research C07 Pure Copper
Connector Input Int'l: 1 each Synergistic Research C07 Pure Copper
Connector Output US: Synergistic Research C07 Pure Copper IEC 15 amp
Connector Output Int'l: Synergistic Research C07 Pure Copper IEC 15 amp
Build Notes:
Atmosphere Level 2 UEF Shielding:
Silver Solder: 4%
Hand build time: 2 hours
*Quantum Tunneling: Post Production process, 1 million volts are passed through finished cable providing a “canal” that allows electrons to pass more freely through conductor material and connection.
*5 day Burn-in: 2 step process
Hand crafted in our California factory
Voltage and current Rating:
US: 20amp/125v
(EU/AU/UK): 16amp/250v


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Blue HC 10 Awg
$649.00/5ft
3 each 10 gauge SR Long-grain Copper Conductor
Ethylene Propylene Dielectric
1,000,000 volt Quantum Treatment
Treated connectors UEF with Graphene
Gold Plated SR G07 Connectors
Level 2 UEF treated conductors with Graphne
Blue Fuse conditioning process
Hand build time 2 hours

2 hours to build one of those?


*Quantum Tunneling: Post Production process, 1 million volts are passed through finished cable providing a “canal” that allows electrons to pass more freely through conductor material and connection.
*5 day Burn-in: 2 step process


Don't those two statements above contradict one another or are they "burn't in" twice?

I was expecting to find something like this at the bottom of the page:

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Frequently asked questions.
Q: Are fuses directional?

A: Yes, fuses are directional.  Electricity should flow from the left to the right when you view the fuse.  If you do not know the direction of flow you should listen to the fuse inserted in both directions. One direction will sound more detailed.  This is the correct way.

Q:  Do fuses have a burn in period?

A: Yes, most products have a settling in period.  The first 200-300 hours of use are the most crucial.
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2021, 09:03:32 pm »
I am considering the ethical implications of this market as there must be enough idiots out there to actually sell this shit to them.

I already have this product in early development:



I think they are upside down.
 
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2021, 09:09:13 pm »
*Quantum Tunneling: Post Production process, 1 million volts are passed through finished cable providing a “canal” that allows electrons to pass more freely through conductor material and connection.
*5 day Burn-in: 2 step process


Don't those two statements above contradict one another or are they "burn't in" twice?

Burn in for audiophiles only consists of music playing, if you want to "burn-in" something with DC or even a sine wave, they don't consider it good enough.

But yeah with 1 million volts I'm surprised the cable doesn't physically burn to a crisp.
 
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2021, 09:35:57 pm »
This to me looks ugly, untidy and way over the top:

https://www.synergisticresearch.com/cables/srx-cables/srx-sc/


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SRX Speaker Cable specifications:
MSRP
$29,995 / 8ft.

Geometry
Isolated 99.9999% pure silver geometries

Construction: Each pair of Synergistic Research SRX speaker cables are made from 20 separate geometries - 8 each 14 awg 99.9999% Pure Silver Air Strings, 8 each 99.9999% Pure Silver mono-filament Air Strings, and 4 each 4th Gen-Tricon conductors.
Dimensions: Standard 8 ft. lengths.  Additional length built to order.
8 each 14awg 99.9999% Pure Silver Air Sting
Silver Air Strings: 99.9999% pure monocrystal silver conductor
Dielectric: Air (sealed)
Shielding: UEF Ground Plane Technology
Hand crafted in our California factory
8 each 2nd Gen 99.9999% Pure Silver Mono-filament Air Sting
Silver Air Strings: 99.9999% pure monocrystal silver conductor
Dielectric: Air (sealed)
Shielding: UEF Ground Plane Technology
Hand crafted in our California factory
4 each 4th Gen-Tricon:
Silver Copper Matrix: Monocrystal conductors
Dielectric: PTFE
Geometry: Tri-axial
Listened to determine signal direction before build
8 each UEF Cell: 99.9995% Pure Silver Ribbons/Copper with UEF
Teflon dielectric
Multi conductor Silver/Copper
Gold plated 2.5mm tuning circuit connector
Shielding : UEF Active Shielding 3rd generation,
Point to Point Wiring
WBT Silver Solder 4%
UEF Spacers/Elevators with built in HFT:
Each 8ft SRX speaker cable pair has 8 Carbon Fiber UEF Elevators with HFTs and 20 Carbon Fiber spacers
Quantum Tunneling: Custom
5 Day burn in : 3 Step process
4 each Gold SR25 UEF Tuning Passive Module: Optional voicing for increased warmth, liquidity
4 each Silver SR25 UEF Tuning Passive Module: Optional voicing for maximum information and refinement.
SR BoFa Banana and SR Gold Spade Connectors:
Build Notes:
Individual EXP Isolated cable geometries for improved vibrational isolation
52 point-to-point hand soldered connections
SRX UEF Matrix Shielding: 2 different UEF coatings with Graphene are applied to UEF Cell, connectors and cabling and ground significantly reducing the noise floor and allowing a purer signal to transfer with less grain providing more warmth and detail. The conductors  and UEF Cell also benefit from dampening effect that UEF provides
4 Termination for SRX tuning Module (Silver and Gold)
WBT Silver Solder: 4%
Hand build time: 15 hours
Quantum Tunneling: After the cable is completely assembled all connections and cabling are treated with 1,000,000 volts of electricity at specific frequencies and pulse modulations, creating a canal in the conductor material and contact points at the molecular level that allows electrons to flow more freely. This allows the maximum amount of low level information through the conductors and provides for the highest amount of realism in your music
Secondary UEF Blue Treatment originally developed for SR Blue Fuses
5-day Burn In: 2 step process
100% Hand Crafted in our California factory

I see some stuff on that list repeated twice.

Also check out their award:

https://www.synergisticresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/PF2019WC_SRX_Power.jpg


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PF Writer's Choice Award, 2019

On behalf of the creative community Aat Postitive *Feedback,and in recognition of significant contributions to the audio arts *2019,this award is hereby presented to**

Synergistic Research for their SRX Power Cord

in order to enourage further excellence in
the fine *audio,to the greater good of all who
love it.

November *16,2019 A.D.

PF
Posi+ive-feedback

David *W.Robinson,Editor-in-chief     David *Clark,Managing Editor

*typo/no spaces?
** Is there suppose to be a :?

Are those mistakes I am seeing?

"Audio arts", I wonder if the whole thing is just art to them, the prettier the art looks the better it is going to sound to the audiphool.
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2021, 09:50:16 pm »
You missed the most important feature:

SRX speaker cables are an exploded geometry with ten individual pure silver cables running in parallel separated by carbon fiber discs to eliminate cross-talk between conductors.

Apparently, with:

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with Silver Matrix Conductors in a Teflon dialectic

Some Teflon! It can differentiate between the true signal and the rest of it. Clever.

 

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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2021, 10:01:49 pm »
Geez,  I've spent my life working on projects to pay my bills, but now know that I've defiantly been in the wrong business.  A friend of mine has bought into this fuse idea and has just plunked down $1200.00 for a pair of 12AU7 tubes.  You know, the tubes that used to be used in most all amps of that time.  We used to use these tubes for target practice in my younger days.  He really insists that his sound quality is much better with his super expensive "directional" speaker cables too.  Such is life.

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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2021, 10:31:13 pm »
Burn in for audiophiles only consists of music playing, if you want to "burn-in" something with DC or even a sine wave, they don't consider it good enough.

But yeah with 1 million volts I'm surprised the cable doesn't physically burn to a crisp.
Not that hard to have music at a high voltage.

I suppose if you wanted to market the cable as "high voltage burned in", you could suspend it in the air on nonconductive ropes and connect all conductors at one end to the Tesla coil and provide a discharge path at the other end.
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2021, 10:58:56 pm »
hey quick question.

Why do laptop PSUs have that mains connector and not a ordinary IEC one?
 

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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2021, 11:05:49 pm »
 I can't believe half these things are not some scam to launder money
 

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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2021, 11:07:44 pm »
What do you mean?  All mine have IEC connectors... :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2021, 11:26:21 pm »
There is more than one IEC. ;D

Anyway. The Orange fuse has graphene. So, what's not to like?
 
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2021, 12:44:37 am »
If it's a quantum fuse, does that mean it's simultaneously blown and intact?
 
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2021, 01:21:34 am »
If it's a quantum fuse, does that mean it's simultaneously blown and intact?

Probably.
 

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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2021, 02:13:18 am »
It's Schrödinger's fuse.

It simultaneously conducts and it doesn't, but you will never know until you pass an over current and blow it up.
 

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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2021, 09:43:31 am »
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SRX Speaker Cable specifications:
MSRP
$29,995 / 8ft.

Wow. That's 30k USD if I read it correctly. I'd really like to see a review of these from Dave Jones - pretty, please.  :palm:

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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2021, 10:48:12 am »
Much more intelligent discussion on the topic of fuses, and their potential to affect the sound of an amplifier:

https://www.avforums.com/threads/audiophile-fuses.2348393/

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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2021, 04:47:28 pm »
I am considering the ethical implications of this market as there must be enough idiots out there to actually sell this shit to them.

I already have this product in early development:



I think they are upside down.

That's so that the electrons travelling in the wrong direction fall out, and don't distort the sound.
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2021, 05:53:24 pm »
You’re hired as VP of marketing  :-DD
 
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2021, 01:30:01 am »
hey quick question.

Why do laptop PSUs have that mains connector and not a ordinary IEC one?

You mean the "cloverleaf" shaped one, not the ordinary "jug plug"?

More to the point, why on earth do they use those bloody useless "barrel connectors" for the low voltage side, instead of a plain old 2 pin rectangular connector like CB radios & the like used to use?

It's not that they need a jack which switches, as charge/not charge is all done electronically these days.
 
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2021, 05:04:40 am »
hey quick question.

Why do laptop PSUs have that mains connector and not a ordinary IEC one?

You mean the "cloverleaf" shaped one, not the ordinary "jug plug"?

The same reason figure 8 is used on metal-chassis appliances: it's cheaper.  Mickey-mouse/cloverleaf/C5/C6 IEC cables only need to use wire rated to 2.5A, not 10A.

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More to the point, why on earth do they use those bloody useless "barrel connectors" for the low voltage side, instead of a plain old 2 pin rectangular connector like CB radios & the like used to use?

Do you have a pic of the rectangular connector you're reffering to?  I think I've seen lots over the years, including ones that take mains instead of LVDC.

I know there are some standards from the 1990's about round barrel connectors for power, not sure if there is more history behind that and standardisation of them.

One benefit: don't have to look when plugging them in, very easy to do by feel and rotation doesn't matter.
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Re: $159.00 Directional Fuse Hogwash?
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2021, 01:35:24 pm »
hey quick question.

Why do laptop PSUs have that mains connector and not a ordinary IEC one?

You mean the "cloverleaf" shaped one, not the ordinary "jug plug"?

More to the point, why on earth do they use those bloody useless "barrel connectors" for the low voltage side, instead of a plain old 2 pin rectangular connector like CB radios & the like used to use?

It's not that they need a jack which switches, as charge/not charge is all done electronically these days.

Do you mean these?

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