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3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?

Very useful power efficiency control products.
2 (3%)
Software Defined Electricity is the future!
1 (1.5%)
Nothing new, all been done before.
4 (6.1%)
Not sure / don't know.
5 (7.6%)
Probably mostly just snake oil / scam.
54 (81.8%)

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Offline racemaniac

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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #200 on: June 17, 2019, 11:54:55 am »
Wow, based on the uptick in engineering speak, it appears you all feel like you are circling for the kill, except Might I remind you that we are acquiring error free data, so while yes it is only measuring current and voltage, the error free data and calculations allow SDE to receive 24 bit resolution on each of the parameters (i.e. reactive power, phase angle, harmonics, etc.).
Ooh, finally one i can respond on XD. Sorry, but having studied numerical mathematics that handles subjects like this, it's not because your input data has a certain accuracy, that your result will have the same accuracy. How errors propagate through calculations is very interesting, you should read up on it :).
 

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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #201 on: June 20, 2019, 01:56:19 pm »
After telling every EE on the planet that they don't understand electricity, 3DFS try plugging their real time battery chemistry modeling instead, and that doesn't go well either. :palm:
twitter.com/rshandross/status/1141669369531052033
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #202 on: June 20, 2019, 02:18:44 pm »
After telling every EE on the planet that they don't understand electricity, 3DFS try plugging their real time battery chemistry modeling instead, and that doesn't go well either. :palm:
twitter.com/rshandross/status/1141669369531052033

 :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD

Wow!  They know so much that is hidden.  They can't explain it, though, because...  ...secrets.

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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #203 on: June 22, 2019, 04:16:48 pm »
This is probably just a twitter text thing rather than a bonkers claim, but I found it amusing.

Someone asks:
"I'm not a power guy, but think a 100 mile high voltage power transmission line has milliseconds of propagation delay."

Seems a simple enough question, but 3DFS answer:

"Altitude is irrelevant."
 :-DD
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #204 on: July 01, 2019, 04:31:43 pm »
3DFS's entry to the May NATO EMP protection competition, if anyone's really bored. All the usual nonsense is there!
1st mention is in Reply #12.

http://aee-seva.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Gaffney-3DFS-NATO-Innovation-Hub-Challenge-Expanded-Abstract.pdf
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #205 on: July 01, 2019, 08:51:41 pm »
That's gonna be hilarious! Their shit's gonna get blown to bits if they do any heavy surge testing! :-DD :-BROKE
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #206 on: July 01, 2019, 09:37:17 pm »
That's gonna be hilarious! Their shit's gonna get blown to bits if they do any heavy surge testing! :-DD :-BROKE

The competition is over. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/3dfss-vectorq-digital-electricity-technology/msg2463483/#msg2463483

They didn't win which is lucky, because the winner has to demonstrate it 'working', so it didn't get blown to bits.
How did they manage to make the final 7, perhaps the NATO judges just had a strange sense of humour. :horse:


While 3DFS have for years been claiming that every uA in the grid must be digitally measured, modeled and software controlled:

Senate passes cybersecurity bill to decrease grid digitization, move toward manual control
The Securing Energy Infrastructure Act (SEIA) establishes a two-year pilot program to identify new classes of security vulnerabilities and to research and test solutions, including "analog and nondigital control systems."
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/senate-passes-cybersecurity-bill-to-decrease-grid-digitization-move-toward/557959/
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #207 on: August 09, 2019, 12:55:35 am »
These lot seem to have been quiet since the last flurry in this thread, I don't think they've mentioned the VQ2 since!

What would happen if you actually tried to buy a VQ2.
https://twitter.com/connor_daren/status/1153834825481981952

They're now moving into rocket science and suggesting non-combustible rocket fuel.
https://twitter.com/doerfler/status/1156757447836651525
https://twitter.com/doerfler/status/1157649334994919425
 #Bonkers
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #208 on: August 14, 2019, 10:46:49 pm »
Your jealousy is palpable  :-DD
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #209 on: August 14, 2019, 11:00:38 pm »
They're now moving into rocket science and suggesting non-combustible rocket fuel.

Hmm, does that mean they suggest software-defined fuel instead? :-DD
 

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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #210 on: August 14, 2019, 11:03:00 pm »
nope, compressed air and electricity.
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #211 on: August 14, 2019, 11:04:45 pm »
...aaaaaand he's back to add ......nothing whatsoever.   :popcorn:

To reiterate the question tweeted by Darren Connor in Australia that appears to have gone unanswered, what countries DO you currently sell in?   :-//

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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #212 on: August 14, 2019, 11:07:38 pm »
...aaaaaand he's back to add ......nothing whatsoever.   :popcorn:

To reiterate the question tweeted by Darren Connor in Australia that appears to have gone unanswered, what countries DO you currently sell in?   :-//

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I spoke multiple times to Mr. Connor. We are presently only selling in the U.S.
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #213 on: August 14, 2019, 11:38:15 pm »
Sorry for being late to the party, but what's so controversial about all this except the buzzword marketing?

Storing 0.6 KJ for active PFC seems to fit in the box fine. Crowbarring a surge into a water cooled resistor so your MOVs only have to absorb a small amount of a surge doesn't really seem out of the realm of possibility either. Water can absorb a lot more energy than a MOV without breaking.
 

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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #214 on: August 15, 2019, 12:09:04 am »
Sorry for being late to the party, but what's so controversial about all this except the buzzword marketing?

Storing 0.6 KJ for active PFC seems to fit in the box fine. Crowbarring a surge into a water cooled resistor so your MOVs only have to absorb a small amount of a surge doesn't really seem out of the realm of possibility either. Water can absorb a lot more energy than a MOV without breaking.

Please read the entire thread...then you'll understand the pure lunacy.
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #215 on: August 15, 2019, 12:12:24 am »
Your jealousy is palpable  :-DD

The stench of your incompetance has made the engineering community vomit. :-DD
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #216 on: August 15, 2019, 06:28:31 am »
I spoke multiple times to Mr. Connor. We are presently only selling in the U.S.

Mr. Connor's solar inverter is 1ph.
I'd still like to know how a solar inverter's output voltage and current can be out of phase.

After our posts on AC power measurement starting:  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/3dfss-vectorq-digital-electricity-technology/msg2477325/#msg2477325

your're still complaining about the 15 min. AC power measurement by LLNL.
https://twitter.com/doerfler/status/1161241721881223172
https://twitter.com/doerfler/status/1161254846382727168

So how long should the LLNL's AC power measurement be? 6ns? :)
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #217 on: August 15, 2019, 06:32:58 am »

Mr. Connor's solar inverter is 1ph.
I'd still like to know how a solar inverter's output voltage and current can be out of phase.



Wait...WTF?
 

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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #218 on: August 15, 2019, 07:05:52 am »
Wait...WTF?

Which bit?
From the end of Reply #98: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/3dfss-vectorq-digital-electricity-technology/msg2464896/#msg2464896

cd:
"If a home has solar and an EV, the case becomes very clear though as it improves the output of the solar and charging times and rates of the ev charger"

me:
"You've mentioned the correction of the output power of solar and generators, for these devices does the VectorQ2 have to be connected backwards, think about it!"

Instead of thinking about it he said that the power correction is bi-directional, it only corrects the 3ph balance and PF as seen by the supply side, some of their claims are based on it actually fixing load's PF.
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #219 on: August 15, 2019, 10:14:07 am »
Sorry for being late to the party, but what's so controversial about all this except the buzzword marketing?

Storing 0.6 KJ for active PFC seems to fit in the box fine. Crowbarring a surge into a water cooled resistor so your MOVs only have to absorb a small amount of a surge doesn't really seem out of the realm of possibility either. Water can absorb a lot more energy than a MOV without breaking.

You missed the point of this thread. It is purely for my entertainment.

StillTrying is dying of envy from the now dozen or so products that we are selling and he whips the rest of the "thought leaders" on this thread into conclusively determining that some words on a troll forum outweigh actual science.

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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #220 on: August 15, 2019, 03:27:38 pm »
Wait...WTF?

Which bit?


Err the bit I posted where you asked how a solar inverter's output voltage and current can be out of phase. That bit.

I do realise that the VectorQ is complete bullshit but combating it with crap as above isn't a great look.
 

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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #221 on: August 15, 2019, 08:49:09 pm »
Sorry for being late to the party, but what's so controversial about all this except the buzzword marketing?

Storing 0.6 KJ for active PFC seems to fit in the box fine. Crowbarring a surge into a water cooled resistor so your MOVs only have to absorb a small amount of a surge doesn't really seem out of the realm of possibility either. Water can absorb a lot more energy than a MOV without breaking.

You missed the point of this thread. It is purely for my entertainment.

StillTrying is dying of envy from the now dozen or so products that we are selling and he whips the rest of the "thought leaders" on this thread into conclusively determining that some words on a troll forum outweigh actual science.

We have over 51K members who know actual science over your crap which is BS even on paper let alone practice. You sound exactly like a conspiracy theorist free-energy nut. Believing that everyone is against you because "ooo big brother/big buisiness conspiracy" instead of the fact that you are simply WRONG! :palm: Selling BS to gullible people (aka a scam) is not something to boast. When your crap fails to surge protect properly because it is snake oil it could cause tremendous damage leading to a hefty lawsuit. ;D
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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #222 on: August 15, 2019, 09:13:03 pm »
Selling BS to gullible people (aka a scam) is not something to boast.

He knows that very well, just can't admit in public for obvious reasons.

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When your crap fails to surge protect properly because it is snake oil it could cause tremendous damage leading to a hefty lawsuit. ;D

Rest assured - actual documentation and purchase contract of "product" (if any) most likely is bullet-proof from legal point of view. BTW product could be some rebranded OEM igbt phase balancer with self-made digital electricity nanosecond-level woo-woo software
 

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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #223 on: August 15, 2019, 11:33:54 pm »
You guys are just being jealous. Apparently.

Must be some kind of software-defined jealousy.
 

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Re: 3DFS's VectorQ Digital Electricity Technology ?
« Reply #224 on: August 15, 2019, 11:58:51 pm »
You guys are just being jealous. Apparently.

Must be some kind of software-defined jealousy.

How do you know? Before we draw premature conclusions, it must be measured using 24 bit error free data and calculated accordingly.
 


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