MAGNETIC ENERGY GENERATOR (FREE ENERGY)

[Myklis]

https://infinitysav.com/magneticgenerator/

looks to good to be true hehehhe

[FrankBuss]

If it really works, why do they sell the units? In Germany you get EUR 0.28 per kWh. This would be EUR 12,000 per year for the 5 kWh unit they sell. So in one year they would get much more money from the sold power than selling the units. Just this simple calculation demonstrates that it is a scam.

[harnon]

Wow, they've really gone to town, the build quality looks pretty decent.

[kaz911]

there are lot of prototypes and tear-down as well on the youtube page (of a 1kW unit?)

[chris_leyson]

ElectroBOOM has some really good videos on free energy  Thanks Mehdi

[//Matt//]

This is basically a better-looking version of the fake perpetual motion devices with a PC fan and some magnets. 

 

[ogden]

looks to good to be true hehehhe

LOL indeed

I am in with my 1$ (or maybe more - depends) for crowdfunded debunking of "too good to be true" EEVblog project.

[timgiles]

Set one up on a table with a heater and AC unit, leave on for 1 month with 4 concurrent streams on web - then perhaps I might be interested in how they pulled off a great con!

[JimRemington]

Big catch here, folks! It won't work post-apocalypse, because the GPS system will be down.

The main function of the GPS navigation system is to locate and tie-in the device to its territory (country) in which it has been originally distributed and installed. It means that the device will operate only if the GPS navigation system is on (online) and if it is located within the authorized territory (country). In case if the GPS navigation system is off or the server cannot locate the device, the generator will automatically shut down and could not be used.

[ogden]

Big catch here, folks! It won't work post-apocalypse, because the GPS system will be down.

The main function of the GPS navigation system is to locate and tie-in the device to its territory (country) in which it has been originally distributed and installed. It means that the device will operate only if the GPS navigation system is on (online) and if it is located within the authorized territory (country). In case if the GPS navigation system is off or the server cannot locate the device, the generator will automatically shut down and could not be used.

Wow that is a real problem even in modern days. What if device decides to stop operation just because GPS signal is not strong enough or just inferior? There always may be some "GPS problems" when flywheel slows down due to friction, right?

[0xdeadbeef]

The GPS thing is already pretty weird. I mean, region locking for a scam generator? Who would accept that even for an actually working generator?
But the great ideas keep coming in:

The Magnetic Generator is physically protected from an unauthorized access by various methods, one of which is detection of the external case opening. Each side of the generator is equipped with several motion detection sensors which serve to prevent people from opening the device. In case if one of the sensors detects the opening it will automatically shut down the device and will not let it start until an authorized person activates it.

I wonder if the idea isn't mainly to prevent people from detecting the scam as I'd guess the "authorized person" is most probably someone from "Infinity Sav".

Anyway, stuff like this leaves me puzzled about the business model. Even if the scam generator would be filled with brick stones, the thing looks like it takes a considerable amount of work to build and as if would take less time to detect it isn't working than to produce it. So either they have a superior law department and let customers sign a contract first where they agree that they are happy to be scammed and promise to keep quiet about it or there must be some other catch. Like they use the GPS receiver and GSM to call home to send scammers and burglars to the door of their stupid customers.
And hell, even this would not explain how this is supposed to work in the long run.

[ebastler]

But the great ideas keep coming in:

The Magnetic Generator is physically protected from an unauthorized access by various methods, one of which is detection of the external case opening. Each side of the generator is equipped with several motion detection sensors which serve to prevent people from opening the device. In case if one of the sensors detects the opening it will automatically shut down the device and will not let it start until an authorized person activates it.

I wonder if the idea isn't mainly to prevent people from detecting the scam as I'd guess the "authorized person" is most probably someone from "Infinity Sav".

That certainy looks like an "anti-debunking interlock". 
Like the ghost appearances, telekinetic phenomena or whatever, which never occur if the spirits sense an unfriendly soul around...

[rrinker]

 SO anyone else notice how, at about 2:11, the LED comes on the instant the stack of magnets is broght nea the fan with the magnets glued to it, but when the stack is pulled away, the LED goes out long before the fan stops turning? And then the same thing is repeated.

[blacksheeplogic]

Big & shiny, modern control system, GPS, WiFi, color display, I mean this has to be legit right?

[0xdeadbeef]

For the record, I think it was also discussed here some time ago, but there are similar offers like that:
https://www.gdstechnologies.ca/

I'm still puzzled by the business concept. E.g. there are many scams like audiophile stuff or "water purification", even esoteric/medical stuff that mainly rely on feelings (the sound "feels" betters, the water "feels" more healthy etc.) so a lot of customers will be actually satisfied. Indeed, you could call in a win-win situation especially for non-medical scams where the scammed don't feel cheated but even defend the product.

But with this free energy nonsense, every customer must come to the conclusion that he was cheated in the long run. Like the electricity bill can't get smaller, the self supplying USB charger must reach a point where it can't charge anything etc. So I can imagine that you could make some money with cheap products and a hit and run tactic or mock up a product to cheat investors, but building expensive large scale devices that you can only sell once to each customer with no chance of buzz marketing seems like a safe way to fold after a relatively small amount of time.

The only similar example of a semi-successful scam company that I'm aware of is "Aquapol" which promises to dry out of walls without electricity or chemistry. Their devices are cheap mockups though (more or less empty plastic containers with two "spiral" PCBs) and the long term model is to lure people into oppressive maintenance contracts.
So I'd imagine that "Infinity Sav" (and the like) could use the same approach and still: while drying out a wall is something that can be proven to work or fail,  I guess it's easier to come up with excuses why it doesn't work and prolong the inevitable compared to a "generator" that simply can't produce more energy than it consumes. Adding that there are no development costs for the Aquapol thing at all and production costs are very low, it's easier to understand how this business model could survive quite some time now.

[ebastler]

I'm still puzzled by the business concept.  [...] every customer must come to the conclusion that he was cheated in the long run. Like the electricity bill can't get smaller, the self supplying USB charger must reach a point where it can't charge anything etc.

It seems that most of these schemes are either brought forward just to pull people's leg, without financial interest. (Or maybe it's just about getting Youtube views?) Or the "inventor" seeks funding for the development phase, which then drags on and on, rather than selling actual products.

[0xdeadbeef]

I talked about companies like "Infinity Sav" or "GDS Technologies" (ca) which claim to either sell actual products or let you at least preorder them.
Honestly I didn't invest the time to find out if either every delivered a single device to a customer, so they could of course just be collecting money without having an actual product.

Actually, the longer I looked into this, the more I got the impression that this is the case. E.g., I also overlooked that there's only a "Preorder" button on the "Infinity Sav" site.
So yeah, probably I just found the answer myself: they don't actually build these large scale devices, they just collect money from investors and people willing to preorder. So no long-term business plan just the good old "take you money and run" tactics.
Still weird to come up with details like GPS region locking or anti-tinker measures for a device they will never build but maybe not everybody there is on the same page.

I never understood how Steorn kept going for so long and of course they folded when the actually tried to release a product (that monkey head USB charger). Indeed it was always a mystery to me why they even tried to come up with an actual product which would make it easy to prove that it's not working. Maybe a trick to avoid criminal proceedings at a point where it was no longer possible to prolong the collapse. Guess we'll never know.