Poll

What irritates you the most?

Sticky/Fixed: Headers/Nav Toolbars and Widgets
2 (3.4%)
Dimming overlays
1 (1.7%)
Excessive fake loading spinners/animations
1 (1.7%)
Animated skeleton placeholders & shimmers (FLASHING & CPU HOGGER/slows page load via gradient cycling)
0 (0%)
Chat bots
5 (8.6%)
Autoplay sound and video
6 (10.3%)
Gradients over video, pictures and thumbnails
0 (0%)
Flash/fade/dimming transition elements on page load
0 (0%)
ALL OF THE ABOVE and BELOW (except the last two options)
21 (36.2%)
Page view manipulation: Content jumping/page shift/shrink or expand.
4 (6.9%)
Interference such as Scrolljacking and Clickjacking
1 (1.7%)
Website set to hide contents based on useragent or other
1 (1.7%)
Websites set to discriminate based on country
0 (0%)
Cookie notices
5 (8.6%)
Aggressive advertising: dialogues or same ad on either sides flashing & targeting across platforms
5 (8.6%)
Excessive white spaces
1 (1.7%)
Inappropriately/oversized text or graphics: large & small by relation or ratio
1 (1.7%)
Auto action & mouse hover: Popouts, overlays & expanding, zooming out thumbnail, audio, video autoplay, preview
0 (0%)
Suggestions, predictive texting and history in or under search & text input box
1 (1.7%)
Clickbait trolling: Paywall, authwall, signup (excluding article view limit)
2 (3.4%)
Flash/fade/moving(appearing and disappearing) popout widgets/sliders: xx people viewed this item
0 (0%)
Infinite scrolling
1 (1.7%)
Not sure
0 (0%)
Prefer not to say
0 (0%)

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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #150 on: February 21, 2022, 09:30:27 pm »
Here's a prime example of the crappy state of modern websites:
 * Immediate pop up that stops you reading the content, which you are forced to close - CHECK
 * Cookie confirmation dialog - CHECK
 * Pointless chat dialog with useless bot - CHECK
 * Massive images that pad out the content and add nothing to the content - CHECK
 * Massive, annoying header that resizes as you scroll and restricts your view of content - CHECK
But they didnt break the content across 13 "pages" each with a short paragraph on it? - ENGAGEMENT FAIL
 
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Re: Bad/bloated web design Appuals stupid dimming search overlay
« Reply #151 on: February 22, 2022, 07:35:21 am »
Here's something very stupid. Just looking a thread here about Windows 10 requiring the user to create and account and sign and looked at some articles.
Nothing new but it was for Home.

https://appuals.com/windows-11-os-installation-refuses-to-allow-local-accounts-and-halts-if-internet-connection-is-absent/
I accidently touched a key and this dimming overlay appeared with a large stupid looking search box stuck at the top in the center.

Attempting to hide it and the background is blurred.
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If it wasn't for the dimming overlay the search wouldn't bother me it is just being entirely cut off from what I am trying to read.
Like the dimming overlays is more important than anything else.

I think I have seen something similar to this before where I could hide the dimming overlay but of course it seems when I see it once and then later on it turns into a trend.

Stupid stupid stupid whoever thought that was an excellent idea to cover up the contents with a dimming overlay and something similar behind it by blurring the text.

seattletimes.com


Another ONE:

So this blurring rubbish is a recent trend.

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Very poorly and stupidly implemented.

Kept on appearing when certain key are pressed during typing on the feedback form but after hiding it the scrollbars kept on disappearing.
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One thing I can't stand is being CUT OFF from the contents and have my contrast/brightness levels/effect of the page played with. That search things keeps on appearing.

See imgur pictures of issue:

Dimming overlays:
seattletimes.com##.global-modal.global-search.active
That was accidentally when I pressed a few keys on this form.
Poorly implemented, oversized and very stupid who thought that was an excellent idea.

Then there is another one that blurs the text behind the contents.

What good does that do?
It cuts me off which I find rude.
Hurts my eyes when the entire page/screen flips from light to dark back to light.

Oh my scrollbars have now gone again I believe triggered with the search as I hid the dimming overlay. No I don't want the contents interfered with in this way, isn't not nice just cutting me off and obscuring the contents. The search box (keeps on appearing),  popups,  don't bother me, it is what you put behind everything else. Absolutely spammy behaviour.

Why can't you leave the contents alone?

Looks like web design has gone to the next level of stupidity with this new trend.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2022, 01:11:40 am by MrMobodies »
 

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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #152 on: February 22, 2022, 12:05:22 pm »
Several websites do that also when bothering users with the cookie terror overlay box, like saying "we won't let you see a single pixel until you agree to all of our cookies".
 
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Re: Bad/bloated web design Linkedin animated placeholder cpu hog
« Reply #153 on: February 23, 2022, 11:20:02 pm »
When I was doing a reverse image lookup I was furious to find this new UI crap that I remembered hiding last year flashing all over the page on every page load:


These things continue to flash when paused but check out the cpu time they take.
They have changed the animated skeleton placeholder names but the preloading overlay element  (that appears at first on every page load) hasn't changed.

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Seems to load instant as usual without these things.

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Memory: 861+122+98+78 1159MB
CPU time 48+25+6+1 80%
Animated crap gone
Memory: 80+2+99 +(12+49+18+10) 270mb
CPU time 48+25+6+1 2%

What do these things do for the user?
Absolutely nothing, they can cause annoyance with the excessive flashing animation on every page load wasting cpu time/memory slow it down even more, waste battery power if browsing Linkedin.
Very stupid.

See last attached image
Now with the elements hidden I gave it a fair chance, closed it all the down and most of the other stuff, opened it up go onto Linkedin very fast and instant, and look at the memory and cpu time whereas before was that using around 1 gigabyte even before the page had even loaded or everything it cached.

That is Chrome 74 with an external profile I use for testing like this as with the later Chrome's I can't seem to press F8 on the page which makes it difficult for attimes to pause and capture the animation in time before they disappear.

I am so pleased I don't depend on Linkedin as a platform for looking for work.
I just use it to look up information on people when it requires me to "sign in" which is also on a different profile shortcut with a nice little linkedin ICO icon, that is set to auto login and isolated from everything else.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2022, 05:25:41 am by MrMobodies »
 

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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #154 on: May 06, 2022, 10:41:29 am »
I'd, often, put myself more in the 'Artist' category, even as a machine language programmer Z-80, 6502 Vintage stuff.
The reason I say this, is that THOSE various complex screen mechanisations often distract to the point where I have to STOP; deal with whatever silly crap being thrown at me, wholesale. Whether that's ADs or simply some arcane compiler complexity.
And other posts here are right, that the usual customer feedback process lacks any...,well, any real feedback. (So I've walked, to another compiler, etc.
Can't do that, in a MONOPOLY tolerant environment.
I'd learn the host system stuff, some, but I've got work to do already, on the microprocessor aspects that my employment favors. Let the other specialists do the operating system and utilities maintainance, while I improve my coding skills!
 
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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #155 on: May 09, 2022, 10:05:30 pm »
Back in 2018, a site I regularly used on my PC, updated their web page and asked for customer feedback.

I said the following.

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I   much much much preferred the old site.  This looks too tablet like.

I have your app on my Ipad and don't like using it as I find it much harder to browse courses etc.

Old site was a perfect way of seeing what courses you have, what courses are upcoming ets, all from a really easy to use web page.

Now I have to stare at a screen that looks like something out of the game breakout to find which company I want to find tutorials on.

I really really wish companies would stop jumping on the same bandwagon or seeking the same advice from so called experienced web designers that think they know what everyone wants.

I would imagine most people learning their music software would do it like me, while they are using their music software.

Most musicians using their PCs for Audio, will not have the MS store or any of its apps in use, we don't need them, we don't want them, this looks more like an app (a bad app) than a website.

Why change what was really good to something that's far more clunky to use quickly and much harder on the eyes.

I daresay someone will say that no one likes change.

I don't mind change when it's for the better, I do not like change for changes sake, and more often than not, such changes hinders the majority of peoples workflow rather than enhance it.

Did the people that sat round a table and decided on this direction, even have a music PC/Mac, or did someone just say "mobile is the way to go...." because even on my ipad, I always choose the desktop version for anything as it's far easier to navigate.

The short version. The old site was easy on the eye and very quick to find what I want. The new version isn't.

I received the following response from their CEO

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That’s funny … I designed this site myself but it’s somewhat amusing to me that you think there’s a bunch of people sitting around a table deciding things. I make what I want to make.

Sorry you don’t like it. I’m actually surprised. Out of the 100s of responses I’ve received, you’re the only person that doesn’t like it so far. Guess you can’t please everyone ...
 
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Re: Tripadvisor triple photo gradient stupidity
« Reply #156 on: May 18, 2022, 01:19:30 pm »
I was looking at some hotels on TripAdvisor and was shocked to find this appear:
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g186239-d664265-Reviews-The_Harbour_Hotel-Newquay_Cornwall_England.html#/media/664265/382196972:p/?albumid=101&type=0&category=101




Now isn't that stupid?
Three gradients overlapping each over and one ontop obscuring parts of the picture they cover up.

Someone might think that is a genuine shadow at the bottom from the scene but it's just the gradients making it look like that.

I blocked a load of elements last year from Tripadvisor but it seems have gotten worse:

Gradients EVERYWHERE as well as gradients over gradients over gradient.
More animated skeleton placeholders.
More dimming overlays popups

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tripadvisor.com##.thumbnail-overlay
tripadvisor.com##.thumbnail-overlay-tag
tripadvisor.com##._3m6lohmL._1FNDxSoQ
tripadvisor.com##.zmSjOGih
tripadvisor.com##.nqu_DTdQ._2oyEnQ3Y
tripadvisor.com##._3qAHn7-r
tripadvisor.com##._2_i1nh4Z
tripadvisor.com##._1NLthPq0
tripadvisor.com##._2MqZYXQo
tripadvisor.com##._3675eQQ_
tripadvisor.com##.ePL5cQFU
tripadvisor.com##._1PZkiPmV
tripadvisor.com##._20k-Wwrc
tripadvisor.com##._2fgOZeQN
tripadvisor.com##._3dWxYFuS
tripadvisor.com##.nqu_DTdQ.A_7_yDE7
tripadvisor.com##._3y4w8kK3
tripadvisor.com##.DrjyGw-P._1SRa-qNz._2oE7snij
tripadvisor.com##.qu_DTdQ.A_7_yDE7
tripadvisor.com##._27pk-lCQ
tripadvisor.com##._3m6lohmL._1FNDxSoQ
tripadvisor.com##._4mF60zVg
tripadvisor.com##._2878pYod
tripadvisor.com##._2tiSupry
tripadvisor.com##._3sXsAqz5


Checkout the other attachments featuring other crap I had to hide.

Unfortunately I am now missing names of places and dates that were the child element of the gradients but I don't mind that, I prefer it like that where I can see what I am looking at much more clearly and properly like before.
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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #157 on: May 18, 2022, 08:04:16 pm »
That's all heavily randomised to stop ad blockers from blocking known element IDs.
 
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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #158 on: May 19, 2022, 01:54:04 pm »
I see, so they care more about me seeing those gradients and other visual annoying stuff than anything else that'd they go to great lengths.

That sounds a bit strange to me that they are obsessed with showing these things insisting I must see them and now I have equally developed an obsession in hiding them due to the distraction and annoyance they cause me.

I wonder since when did intrusive gradients, animated placeholder skeletons, fake loading spinners and dimming overlays make them money?

I know the spammy toolbars/fixed headers were in belief that because it is stuck there constantly it is *going* to be quicker for guests to reach it and click things on there to look at other parts of the site *assuming* they would do that but not all us may do that. For instance, I find a link on the search engine, click it, see the article I want or not and most like close it down after and if I am interested in the site or anything there then I might use stuff but not if it is going to be intrusive as I am there just for the contents.
 

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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #159 on: May 19, 2022, 02:15:33 pm »
It’s part of the whole web design cargo cult. To note the CSS is probably “minified” here as well to save them bandwidth.

Really modern web stacks are garbage. I’m currently tearing one a new asshole. It has three generations of fads in one product all badly integrated. In fact it caused an outage because the SASS pregeneration banged out a pile of CPUs which causes a cluster wide collapse. CSS ffs.  :palm: :palm:
 
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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #160 on: May 19, 2022, 03:37:38 pm »

Just for fun, I made a small site using basic HTML and images.   It is AMAZING how fast a web browser can be nowadays, when fed some high vitamin food!
 
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Re: Bad/bloated web design Seeed.com
« Reply #161 on: June 05, 2022, 10:27:02 pm »
I was looking for something on Seed.com Some wireless kit but doesn't seem to be there anymore any it seem slow and sluggish but noticed the skeleton placeholder crap below before the page finished loading:



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seeedstudio.com###top-search-shadow-control
seeedstudio.com##.r-s-word
seeedstudio.com##.autocomplete-wrapper
seeedstudio.com##.recommend_search-section.active
seeedstudio.com##.al_recommend_right
seeedstudio.com##.al_recommend_left
seeedstudio.com##.fa.fa-search
seeedstudio.com##.autocomplete-wrapper
seeedstudio.com##.preload-logo.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-logo
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-detail-line.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-logo.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-logo
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-detail-line.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-detail-img.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-cart.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-cart
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-detail-line
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-detail-img
seeedstudio.com##.preload-cart.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-cart
seeedstudio.com##.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-search.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-search
seeedstudio.com##.preload-logo.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-category.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-category
seeedstudio.com##.preload-header
seeedstudio.com###product-detail-preload-view
seeedstudio.com##.preload-template-container
seeedstudio.com##.preload-bread
seeedstudio.com##.preload-bread-item.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-bread-item
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-gallery
seeedstudio.com##.large-gallery.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.small-gallery.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-info-button.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-info-button
seeedstudio.com##.preload-template-wrap
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-info-count.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-info-count
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-detail-titile.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-detail-titile
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-detail-img
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-detail-line.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-info-price.preload-mark
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-info-price
seeedstudio.com##.small-gallery
seeedstudio.com##.large-gallery
seeedstudio.com##.small-gallery-box
seeedstudio.com##.large-gallery-box
seeedstudio.com##.preload-product-detail
seeedstudio.com###top-search-shadow-control
seeedstudio.com###autocomplete_extra_template
seeedstudio.com###autocomplete_categories_template
seeedstudio.com###autocomplete_suggestions_template
seeedstudio.com###autocomplete_suggestions_template__back
seeedstudio.com###autocomplete_products_template
seeedstudio.com###autocomplete_products_template_____back

Seems to loads up instantly without the couple of seconds wasted on this crap that they seem to have gone to a lot of effort on implementing it.

Not as bad as the animated ones but still I find it very stupid, wasteful on how it delays it a bit and the irritation of seeing it flash on and off after every page load.

Can't get rid of dimming overlay. If I manually remove element: top-search-shadow-control the dimming overlay stops. If I add it to Adblock/ublock doesn't hide it. Now back in developer tools if I select the text input after removing the element it is reinserted.

I have narrowed it down to this script:
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https://static-cdn.seeedstudio.com/static/version1654074374/frontend/bs_complex/bs_complex5/en_US/Algolia_AlgoliaSearch/internals/Algolia_AlgoliaSearch_Customer.min.css
Reinserts
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<input type="checkbox" id="top-search-shadow-control" style="display: none">
when selecting search input.




I believe this element top-search-shadow-control which has 18 matches to be the culprit in that script.


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#top-search-shadow-control+body.header-content
If I prevent the script from loading it stop it but the search results appear scattered all over the page with it disabled.

Looks to me like a new form of HARASSMENT by injecting this crap but from scripts so not much the element hiders can do or am I missing something.
 

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« Reply #162 on: June 24, 2022, 04:37:54 am »
I kept on coming across Glassdoor which shows a dimming overlay dialogue after a couple of seconds to create an account and sign in which reminds a bit like Pinterest.



Attempting to hide the dimming overlay doesn't restore the scrollbars.
I have to turn off javascript but then I can't sort by ratings.

So I am going to add that to my search exclusions and blocklist incase I click another link to it.

At least Linkedin allows a certain amount of views per day before the authwall appears.

I found a solution.
As it is timed I thought it maybe a script:

Looking at the name of the overlay element:

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glassdoor.co.uk##.hardsellOverlay


Just added this one to the blocklist:
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||glassdoor.com/garnish/static/js/gd-user-hardsell-overlay.bundle.js


Now it works fine.

I still feel a bit put off and I debating whether just to block it and exclude from search results as it will be a matter of time when they do other stuff like this.
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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #163 on: June 24, 2022, 06:26:49 am »
Usual upsell crap. 

The worst thing for this is Pinterest which is a cancer upon this planet and should burn.
 
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Re: Bad/bloated web design BBC spammy behaviour/harassment
« Reply #164 on: July 07, 2022, 11:39:53 pm »
I kept on coming across dialogues that would interrupt what I am reading by covering up the background cutting me off and would disappear on trying to select the element and here's one of them:


Unfortunately hiding the element also seems to hide the dialogue too but fortunately not the scroll bars:
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bbc.co.uk###test-overlay
bbc.co.uk##.ssrcss-veoawf-Overlay.e34ixc510
bbc.co.uk##.ssrcss-veoawf-Overlay

I submitted a complaint.
Very intrusive, nasty and disgusting behaviour coming from the BBC.

Another one I found for another post to do with gradients:

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bbc.co.uk##.ssrcss-veoawf-Overlay

Hiding the element also hides the dialogue.

As someone who lives in England, in a household where the BBC license fee is paid for I should not have to "sign in" and see all this crap and be harassed by spammy things that I remember advertising companies doing similar things 20 years ago.

Another I saw last week that I just found.
Dialogues over dialogues:

Spamming the users with things they may not want to see whilst cutting them off. That goes to show the respect they have for the users as if their concentration of trying to read of articles don't matter and they can interfere and interrupt when they feel like it.

That reminds of empty shops where you look through the window or door and see the letters piling up from the ground.
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Re: Bad/bloated web design BBC Picture gradient obscuring stupidity
« Reply #165 on: July 08, 2022, 12:53:05 am »
Like tripadvisor the BBC seems to be doing similar:

Gradient seems to goes past what looks like MORE THAN HALF and way past than than the red outline I put there the more I compare it the second and last:

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bbc.co.uk##.hero-image__picture
Like them putting that there is going "improve" it.

Another gradient:

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bbc.co.uk##.hero-meta


I like that and I find it looks beautiful and nice the way that picture turned out compared to the above which looks horrible and scruffy to me at the bottom. All of that potential to stand out hidden by these picture obscuring gradients applied more than half way through. I can also see the text clearly, higher resolution copy in attachments.

I wonder why they label this picture obscuring nonsense as "hero".
Doesn't it do the opposite of a "hero"ric  term/context like ruin a picture by making it unclear and give false illusions?

 

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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #166 on: July 08, 2022, 06:04:04 am »
BBC are special when it comes to this. They do extensive panelised A-B testing against their design changes like you should do. This is uniquely compromised by the fact the people who run all this shit have no idea what they are doing because they’ve been there since the dark ages and their entire subordinate structure is yes men and arse licking morlocks.

Source: ex BBC contractor. Never contract for them!
 
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Re: Bad/bloated web design XigmaNas menu gaslight stupidity
« Reply #167 on: August 29, 2022, 04:45:24 am »
I was experimenting with Xigmanas and was getting very frustrated with the decorations where I couldn't see things clearly.

Pages FLASH after every load so I hid it.


Adblock:
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###top_dialog_underlay
###editscary_dialog_underlay
###edit_dialog_underlay
###spinner_main
###spinner_overlay
###login_underlay
###header
I am using a dedicated browser profile for it so I don't have to keep on changing or adding the ip addresses to the rules.

I didn' t see the spinner element as of course as I added a lot of wildcard variants some years before that is also added onto the blocklist.

Unclear tabs with black text where one maybe readable on mouse hover where it inverts it to white.

Notice: Loader.config tab forced in hover state so I can find it and stop it flashing on hover.

So I edited some of the CSS files. I removed some of the decorations.

Now I can see what I am doing.

Also irritating me was the white highlighting of the menu on mouse hover so I stopped that too.


As the text is white and there is a gradient that is white at bottom where I struggle to see the text especially for long menus so I just made it black.

Much better in visibility.

Looks much more clearer to me.
No more flashing, menus and tabs I can't see.

Some of the crap I removed or altered:
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txc-nav
txc-nav-hovered
:root {
--bgi-nav-sub-hovered
#navhdr > ul > li:hover > a, #navhdr ul ul li a:hover {
    /* color: black; */
    /* color: var(--txc-nav-sub-hovered);

:root {
    --bgc-root: #D9DCE1;
    --txc-root: #000000;
    --txc-page-title: #777777;
    --bgc-area-data: #EEEEEE;
    --bgc-box-info: #D9DEE8;
    --bgc-box-error: #FFD9D1;
    --bgc-box-warning: #F7F2B9;
    --txc-box: #000000;
    --bgc-setting-tag: #D6D6D6;
    --bgc-topic: #95A7C0;
    /* --bgi-topic: linear-gradient(#95A7C0,#97AAC2,#8197B4); */

REMOVE
    /* --txc-topic: #FFFFFF;


tabs.css
remove
:root {
    /* --bow-tnt-global: 0px; */
    /* --bos-tnt-global: solid; */
    /* --boc-tnt-global: #444444; */
    /* --bgc-tnt: darkgray; */
    /* --bgi-tnt: linear-gradient(#9C9C9C,black); */
    /* --bow-tnt: var(--bow-tnt-global); */
    /* --bos-tnt: var(--bos-tnt-global); */
    /* --boc-tnt: var(--boc-tnt-global); */
    /* --bop-tnt: var(--bow-tnt) var(--bos-tnt) var(--boc-tnt); */
    /* --txc-tnt: grey; */
    /* --bgc-tnt-active: lightgray; */
    /* --bgi-tnt-active: linear-gradient(#9C9C9C,black); */
    /* --bow-tnt-active: var(--bow-tnt-global); */
    /* --bos-tnt-active: var(--bos-tnt-global); */
    /* --boc-tnt-active: var(--boc-tnt-global); */
    /* --bop-tnt-active: var(--bow-tnt-active) var(--bos-tnt-active) var(--boc-tnt-active); */
    /* --txc-tnt-active: white; */
    /* --bgc-tnt-hovered: black; */
    /* --bgi-tnt-hovered: linear-gradient(white 34%,#CCCCCC 78%,#E1E1E1); */
    /* --bow-tnt-hovered: var(--bow-tnt-global); */
    /* --bos-tnt-hovered: var(--bos-tnt-global); */
    /* --boc-tnt-hovered: var(--boc-tnt-global); */
    /* --bop-tnt-hovered: var(--bow-tnt-hovered) var(--bos-tnt-hovered) var(--boc-tnt-hovered); */
    /* --txc-tnt-hovered: black; */
    /* --bgc-tnt-active-hovered: black; */
    /* --bgi-tnt-active-hovered: linear-gradient(white 34%,#CCCCCC 78%,#E1E1E1); */
    /* --bow-tnt-active-hovered: var(--bow-tnt-global); */
    /* --bos-tnt-active-hovered: var(--bos-tnt-global); */
    /* --boc-tnt-active-hovered: var(--boc-tnt-global); */
    /* --bop-tnt-active-hovered: var(--bow-tnt-active-hovered) var(--bos-tnt-active-hovered) var(--boc-tnt-active-hovered); */
    /* --txc-tnt-active-hovered: gray;


Attached CSS files for anyone interested.

In "File editor" here are the direct paths to copy and paste for those also annoyed and inconvenienced:
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/usr/local/www/css/navbar.css
/usr/local/www/css/tabs.css
/usr/local/www/css/gui.css

I don't mind the gradients and other stuff as long as I can see everything.
I should NOT have to mouse hover over the tabs for it to flash and invert it in order to see the text.

In the latest version 12.3 they made the menu text flash white on mouse hover:


Very annoying and stupid so I thought I'd get to work and find some solutions for the rest of the visual annoyances.

Apart from that the platform seems to work alright.
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Re: Bad/bloated web design seekingalpha.com spammy clickbait trolling behaviour
« Reply #168 on: September 22, 2022, 01:30:09 am »
What a great way to treat a visitor, by loading the page in full, seconds later remove the scrollbars, dim most of the page and then harass them into signing up.

Look on the clickbait signing banner that hides the scrollbars and they seem care more about their fixed header than the contents.




Cuplrit:
cdn.tinypass.com/api/tinypass.min.js
||tinypass.min.js

The usual UI garbage preloading skeleton crap:


They might as well put a boxes around then than put those there to flash on just to flash off again.

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Tinypass.js
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###app-loader
seekingalpha.com##.imA.biC.imB.bjgE.bjGS.fvA
seekingalpha.com##.bjgG.bfA.bfM.bjGL.fvA
seekingalpha.combjgG.bfA.bfM.bjGL.fvA
seekingalpha.com###post-skeleton-row
seekingalpha.com##.ewA.glA.bfA.nrA.bjL.bjCE.nrA.bjL.bjCE.nrE.nrE
seekingalpha.com##.ewF.bfA.bfH.bfR
seekingalpha.com##.imA.biC.imB.ewC.ewD.bjGD
seekingalpha.com##.imA.biC.imB.ewE

I will be less willing to create an account or click another one of their links.
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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #169 on: September 27, 2022, 06:37:49 pm »
Animation, mouse on, embedded epileptiform movie, etc utter bollocks and helps no one. It makes me laugh or is it gag, that in our realm its b2b. Are they trying to lure in buyers or engineers. I'll go with AD because thieir site is glossier than TI, as if. Are they deluded?

Then there are the great sites that tell you nothing about the product.  No info no buy. Sorry mate I'm moving on to the vendor who tells me something useful.
So many corporate brag sites. I've got to say I loved the FART (transformers) website.

About us, our philosophy, our mission.... piss off!  You gotta give it to sales people, they can wank in front of you with out being remotely bashful.
 
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Re: Bad/bloated web design Ebay animated loading placeholder cpu hog stupidity
« Reply #170 on: September 28, 2022, 04:51:46 pm »
I see this nonsense has made it's way to Ebay. I removed the picture placeholder element quickly to find out the element name without having to go into developer tools to try to reload and pause to capture them before they disappeared but all of which happened to remain there flashing away and hadn't loaded the content on this occasion.

Checkout the CPU time the the title and text are taking on an "Intel Core i3-6100U" and that is without a picture placeholder and a single row.

18% cpu usage excluding picture placeholders that I already hid.


0 to 1% cpu usage after hiding them.

Culprits found and hidden with Adblock:
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ebay.co.uk##.loading.loading--image
ebay.co.uk##.loading.loading--title
ebay.co.uk##.loading.loading--text

Feedback:
What do you least like:
Listings: Animated skeleton placeholders that slow down page and waste cpu time and power.

What can we do better?
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A new trend that is getting out of control and now here. Animated skeleton placeholders.
Does nothing useful but slows down the page load, takes a lot of CPU time up and wastes battery.

I hid them:
ebay.co.uk##.loading.loading--image
ebay.co.uk##.loading.loading--title
ebay.co.uk##.loading.loading--text

Imgur screenshots of what i mean:
18% cpu time wasted (content behind not loading)
i.imgur.com/4TyzmJ2.jpg

1% cpu time with these things hidden:
i.imgur.com/WbwLsHD.jpg

Very stupid idea get rid of them.
Removed https:// (picture already attached and displayed.

Oops I lost my screenshot for the attachments.
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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #171 on: October 04, 2022, 06:26:14 pm »
I have first encountered a website that doesn't recognize the scroll wheel inside a widget. One has to click and drag
 

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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #172 on: October 05, 2022, 08:52:47 am »
Another annoying thing is when a website prevents copying text. I wonder why the browser developers support such features.
 

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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #173 on: October 05, 2022, 11:39:06 am »
Presumably that kind of thing is in a spec, and the browser makers follow it because if they don't then the website author would start blocking browsers that don't preserve that very necessary feature.
 
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Re: Bad/bloated web design
« Reply #174 on: October 05, 2022, 11:58:25 am »
Fortunately there are plugins to correct that:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/enable-copy-by-gary/
 


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