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NiHaoMike:
I remember when CVS sold $30 video cameras. They were pretty decent for the time especially after considering the price.

Nowadays, if you want a really cheap camera that's not complete junk, wait for a deal on a really cheap smartphone.

--- Quote from: GerritMax on January 15, 2021, 07:44:32 pm ---Was said to be a 64 GB phone, yeah, right.
It was lucky to have 2 GB, if that.

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Perhaps it was 2GB + support for up to 64GB micro SD (not included) or 62GB cloud storage free trial?

rsjsouza:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 15, 2021, 05:21:28 pm ---I wasn't under the impression they were non-existent.
https://iclg.com/practice-areas/consumer-protection-laws-and-regulations/usa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising

Besides, this isn't just a consumer protection issue IMHO. Given the average price of Wish's products, as you said, the harm done to consumers is even usually pretty minimal.
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The issue here is that most of the agencies deal in the realm of safety and health/sanitary regulations at the federal or state level, leaving very little room for the individual purchase of an electronic gadget that operates out of its specifications. Up to the 1990s the closest to true enforcement for consumer electronics was the powerful FCC and their strict regulations and tests for electronic equipment - however, in the days of internet e-commerce, this has become a free-for-all market.


--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 15, 2021, 05:21:28 pm ---But it may cause a much larger problem with unfair competition: obviously the market share they "eat", using deceptive practices, is not available to others. You may argue that they don't really take away any business as there's no real competition for such low prices (except with similar businesses of course), but the fact they are using false advertising is still misleading and should be, IMHO, prosecuted.
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I didn't really mention fairness above, but let's ride on this train. Unfair competition comes in many different forms. Selling items out of spec or blatantly lying to the consumer is not exclusive to Wish, as Alibaba, Banggood and eBay are also examples of that (heck, even Amazon with their DMMs with fake CAT ratings). A great thing about the Chinese platforms is that they cut the middlemen between the Chinese marketplace and other countries. However, the tax exemptions and little to no cost shipping due to a century-old international agreement are terribly unfair for the local merchants and importers that need to cover all these expenses. Also, the R&D and market research costs being cut by blatant copyright and patent infringement can be extremely unfair. Some of these aspects have been glossed over for more than twenty years with no action from any of the global economic players - that is, before the current US administration. 


--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 15, 2021, 05:21:28 pm ---There's a difference with companies such as eBay (or even Aliexpress, Banggood, etc), as I see it, because the latter do not actually use false claims and false advertising nearly as much as Wish does. Wish's motto clearly is something like "buy the same products for 90% less"  or something; which is NOT what eBay or Aliexpress claim. Just a thought.

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All of them sell out-of-spec or bad quality crap, thus I personally don't really see much distinction. Buyers need to be much more attentive than ever to these malpractices, given it is almost impossible to sue or solve any disputes outside of the realm of the platform itself.

amyk:
Interesting thought to ponder: if these were selling at that price 20 years ago, they would be awesome. Amazing how much progress has been made since then.

I'm guessing the sensors are from Omnivision --- they seem to be very common in lots of low-end stuff; and if you look up how much they cost, that's most of what those complete cameras cost. The sensor itself is likely capable of 1080p30 but for whatever reason the firmware/encoder isn't. They're also capable of much better quality than shown, but the makers probably just took a reference "make a camera" eval board from one of the various SoC companies and didn't modify much. I have an Android smartphone with OV8825 and the camera with the default settings was roughly as horrible quality as the cameras in Ashen's video, but I figured out how to get it to run in RAW mode and the difference was night and day.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: rsjsouza on January 16, 2021, 07:26:42 pm ---All of them sell out-of-spec or bad quality crap, thus I personally don't really see much distinction. Buyers need to be much more attentive than ever to these malpractices, given it is almost impossible to sue or solve any disputes outside of the realm of the platform itself.

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You possibly missed the distinction as I was trying to show it. Sure you can find the same crap on other platforms such as eBay or Aliexpress; but what I'm saying is that the business model and advertising practices are a bit different.

eBay or Aliexpress allow sellers to sell whatever they want with whatever description they like, but that entirely lies upon the sellers' shoulders, and even though those companies also certainly take advantage of this, they do not *actively* promote this behavior. You can find also genuine and quality stuff on eBay. Wish has a different business model, and deception is the core of their practices. They actively promote deception, which is not the case of other platforms.

peterlewis:
I have such horrible experience from Wish that even the word brings tears in my eyes.  :'(

If you just want to experiment, then go for it. But even that will go wrong, I am telling you. Buy from wish only if the world is coming to an end.

You are welcome

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