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Ed.Kloonk:
If you think you need any of this junk then go ask a doctor to do your bloodwork. Bloodtests will determine what you are lacking and what you could do with less of. For maximum effect, follow up the info you gathered and take it along to a nutritionist.

If it suddenly shows up in the shops all shiny and for no good reason, you prolly don't need it.

Bassman59:

--- Quote from: nightfire on August 29, 2021, 01:37:36 am ---
--- Quote from: antenna on August 21, 2021, 10:44:14 pm ---Without drinking anything for a little while, spit on a piece of pH paper. You will see it is alkaline. Your body likes running at a higher pH.

That said, the stomach is very acidic and I assume the slight alkalinity will immediately be neutralized when drank. Perhaps the mineral content without adding halogens is beneficial? My friend drinks nothing but alkaline water and he swears by it. I drink nothing but Pepsi, and although my teeth are gone, I feel OK. A bit lethargic most says, but OK.

I am interested in hearing what others have to say about it too, I'm not a doctor and always wondered.

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I did some homework around this a while ago.

Long story short: The body operates generally in a slightly alkaline environment. The stomach is the part where neutral stuff is split into acid and alkaline- the alkaline portion goes into the blood for distribution throughout the whole body, the hydrochloric acid remains in the stomach and is used for digestive purpose.

Normally within a healthy ad wholesome diet, the body will remain in this state. But some things produce acid as byproduct while they are digested, that accumulates in the body. Sugar, alcohol and meat are some of them. If the body cannot get rid of them by neutralizing them, or washing them out by drinking lots of water, they get stored in fat cells. This is also a possible reason why some people don't lose weight at the right places even after cutting down calories...
In those cases the body needs to get hold of an alkaline surplus to have some material to neutralize the excess acid.

As a symptom by failing to do so, the stomach will eventually try to produce more alkaline stuff by producing more stomach acid (that in turn equals the same amount of alkaline molecules) and the person will have some sour breath and heartburn (Sodbrennen in german)

Fun fact: Ancient chinese method to kill people, mostly nobles and other people, that should not get killed like the lowly peasant: These only got as provided food in jail meat and wine, so the body will slowly get an acidose- at some point the heart will ultimately fail...


So alkaline water is quite nice, but whether it is from a natural spring loaded with lots of minerals (and mostly a bit more expensive than other bottled water), or it is designed as a lifestyle product, which would make it very expensive.
If you really need to consume some alkaline stuff, it is simpler to put some baking soda into a glass of tap water and drink it slowly- attention: Not too much soda or other alkaline stuff at once, because otherwise it will neutralize the stomach acid completely, which is not good at all...

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Instead of alkaline water, one could take a couple of Tums whenever one has heartburn or "acid stomach." Tums and the like are calcium carbonate, a base of course. In either case, don't overdo it. That is, drink regular water and reserve the alkaline stuff for when you have heartburn.

Microdoser:

--- Quote from: Bassman59 on September 02, 2021, 04:09:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: nightfire on August 29, 2021, 01:37:36 am ---
--- Quote from: antenna on August 21, 2021, 10:44:14 pm ---Without drinking anything for a little while, spit on a piece of pH paper. You will see it is alkaline. Your body likes running at a higher pH.

That said, the stomach is very acidic and I assume the slight alkalinity will immediately be neutralized when drank. Perhaps the mineral content without adding halogens is beneficial? My friend drinks nothing but alkaline water and he swears by it. I drink nothing but Pepsi, and although my teeth are gone, I feel OK. A bit lethargic most says, but OK.

I am interested in hearing what others have to say about it too, I'm not a doctor and always wondered.

--- End quote ---

I did some homework around this a while ago.

Long story short: The body operates generally in a slightly alkaline environment. The stomach is the part where neutral stuff is split into acid and alkaline- the alkaline portion goes into the blood for distribution throughout the whole body, the hydrochloric acid remains in the stomach and is used for digestive purpose.

Normally within a healthy ad wholesome diet, the body will remain in this state. But some things produce acid as byproduct while they are digested, that accumulates in the body. Sugar, alcohol and meat are some of them. If the body cannot get rid of them by neutralizing them, or washing them out by drinking lots of water, they get stored in fat cells. This is also a possible reason why some people don't lose weight at the right places even after cutting down calories...
In those cases the body needs to get hold of an alkaline surplus to have some material to neutralize the excess acid.

As a symptom by failing to do so, the stomach will eventually try to produce more alkaline stuff by producing more stomach acid (that in turn equals the same amount of alkaline molecules) and the person will have some sour breath and heartburn (Sodbrennen in german)

Fun fact: Ancient chinese method to kill people, mostly nobles and other people, that should not get killed like the lowly peasant: These only got as provided food in jail meat and wine, so the body will slowly get an acidose- at some point the heart will ultimately fail...


So alkaline water is quite nice, but whether it is from a natural spring loaded with lots of minerals (and mostly a bit more expensive than other bottled water), or it is designed as a lifestyle product, which would make it very expensive.
If you really need to consume some alkaline stuff, it is simpler to put some baking soda into a glass of tap water and drink it slowly- attention: Not too much soda or other alkaline stuff at once, because otherwise it will neutralize the stomach acid completely, which is not good at all...

--- End quote ---

Instead of alkaline water, one could take a couple of Tums whenever one has heartburn or "acid stomach." Tums and the like are calcium carbonate, a base of course. In either case, don't overdo it. That is, drink regular water and reserve the alkaline stuff for when you have heartburn.

--- End quote ---

Often, heartburn is caused by the situation where your body thinks your stomach acid is too alkaline, and so it is producing more acid to compensate. If you drink something mildly acidic, your body stops thinking it is not producing enough acid and so the excess is stopped.

Apple cider vinegar (diluted 1:4) works well for this.

Acid reflux is a different beast though and can have many other causes.

erikblue:
PH is regulated by the kidneys and lungs.  If you try to raise or lower your body's PH by food / water your body simply adjusts to bring it back to where it wants it (homeostasis).  Of course I'm sure there are some extreme examples where you could cause issues, but water that is considered "drinkable" by regular standards is not one of them.

helius:
Yes, in my opinion it is a scam. There is research pointing to a change in cellular pH with certain disease processes, with cells becoming more acidic when under stress, for example. But you cannot "fix" this by drinking alkaline water, as your stomach needs very low pH to digest food. Certain digestive problems can actually be helped by taking hydrochloric acid capsules because that is what the stomach naturally secretes to maintain a low pH environment. It's my belief that antacid drugs are overused and do more harm in the long run. To the extent that some mineral waters (alkaline or not) are beneficial, it is not their pH that matters, but the minerals they contain, like magnesium. The Western diet does not provide enough magnesium for most people.

Also, the idea of "neutralizing excess acid" is folk biochemistry. In chemistry, "acid" is not a conserved quantity. It's a secular property of molecules (their pKa) that is not conserved in chemical reactions. When a solution is acidic, it's not the acid but the hydronium ion that makes it so (the pH or "power of the hydrogen"). pH is regulated in the blood by the balance of bicarbonate and CO2. Adding acid or alkaline foods does not have anything to do with this: after they are broken down by digestion they are chemically different.

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