More people are "cloning" their PETS, despite the cost

[cdev]

This I guess will allow some people to get a second lifetime for favored pets. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/333922-more-people-are-cloning-their-pets-despite-the-cost

Although the implications are quite scary.

I'm sure it wont be long before people are being cloned for their body parts. Its already emerged that there is an active market in body parts. Witness the story about the warehouse in Arizona that was found to be filled with human body parts, mostly from older people who has decided to donate their bodies to science when they died. Ive included a comedy segment about the mess, but make no mistake, its a real news story. It is not a joke, although I wish it was.

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Before responding to this, I suggest people consider whether that is too far removed from this forum's objectives.

Alternatively, place your bets as to how many responses it will take before the moderators lock this thread.

[themadhippy]

Its the spirit of the age

[Stray Electron]

This I guess will allow some people to get a second lifetime for favored pets. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/333922-more-people-are-cloning-their-pets-despite-the-cost

Although the implications are quite scary.

  Didn't you ever see "The Boys from Brazil"?  If not, go watch it.

  Even generically identical twins have different personalities. I seriously doubt that a clone of your pet, or your child or yourself, would have the same traits as the original. There are simply too many other factors that also influence who we or our pets turn out to be.

  I think that anyone that pays to have their pet cloned is going to be seriously disappointed.

   The issue that I wonder about, should cloning ever become truly viable, is what will the "rights" of a cloned extinct animal will be?  If we clone say, the Passenger Pigeon, will the clone be treated as a highly endangered animal and be given all sorts of rights such as THE exclusive use of large tracts of land?  What about a cloned T-Rex? What about the clone of someone from an extinct Indian tribe that once owned thousands or millions of acres of land? Will the clone suddenly own all of the land that the tribe once owned?  If so Californians (and many others) might be in trouble!

[MrMobodies]

Even celebrities are hopping onto the pet cloning bandwagon (though this comes as no surprise, given that they’re the ones who can easily afford to do so). Diane von Furstenburg and Barry Diller controversially had their late dog Shannon cloned back in 2016

Joke: If I could afford it I wouldn't do it not without wanting to clone myself.
Maybe they should think about cloning themselves before doing it to the helpless animal being "made".     

They should just stick to cloned household consumer electronics on the market well that actually some of them are not safe.

Anyone care to bring up the engineering element and aspects of how they clone these animals and the equipment used for it to bring it on par with the forum?

I see potential and I'll see what I can find.

https://www.ece.uw.edu/colloquia/what-does-electrical-engineering-have-to-do-with-genomics/

Deirdre Meldrum
University of Washington
EEB 125
10 Dec 2002, 12:00am until 12:00am Abstract
In the past year a new Center for Excellence in Genomic Science called the Microscale Life Sciences Center has been formed. The activities of this center include research and development in MEMS-based devices for analyzing living cells in real-time. Electrical Engineering plays a big role in this work from systems and controls, to MEMS, microsystems, and biosensing. Come and hear about the exciting work on-going in the UW Department of Electrical Engineering as well as many other departments across campus including bioengineering, chemistry, chemical engineering, laboratory medicine, microbiology, and nanotechnology

Mems device
https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8220/19/22/4942/htm

MEMS-Based Sensor for Simultaneous Measurement of Pulse Wave and Respiration Rate
by Thanh-Vinh Nguyen * andMasaaki Ichiki
Sensing System Research Center, National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology (AIST), Ibaraki 305-8564, Japan
*
Author to whom correspondence should be addressed.
Sensors 2019, 19(22), 4942; https://doi.org/10.3390/s19224942
Received: 10 October 2019 / Revised: 30 October 2019 / Accepted: 30 October 2019 / Published: 13 November 2019
(This article belongs to the Section Physical Sensors)

Abstract
The continuous measurements of vital signs (body temperature, blood pressure, pulse wave, and respiration rate) are important in many applications across various fields, including healthcare and sports. To realize such measurements, wearable devices that cause minimal discomfort to the wearers are highly desired. Accordingly, a device that can measure multiple vital signs simultaneously using a single sensing element is important in order to reduce the number of devices attached to the wearer’s body, thereby reducing user discomfort. Thus, in this study, we propose a device with a microelectromechanical systems (MEMS)-based pressure sensor that can simultaneously measure the blood pulse wave and respiration rate using only one sensing element. In particular, in the proposed device, a thin silicone tube, whose inner pressure can be measured via a piezoresistive cantilever, is attached to the nose pad of a pair of eyeglasses. On wearing the eyeglasses, the tube of sensor device is in contact with the area above the angular artery and nasal cavity of the subject, and thus, both pulse wave and breath of the subject cause the tube’s inner pressure to change. We experimentally show that it is possible to extract information related to pulse wave and respiration as the low-frequency and high-frequency components of the sensor signal, respectively.

Attached full page

Interesting learn something new today.

I'll look for more stuff later because I think this might be an interesting subject if it can focus on the electrical engineering side of it used in the cloning of animals.

[SiliconWizard]

Yes:

[cdev]

This I guess will allow some people to get a second lifetime for favored pets. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/333922-more-people-are-cloning-their-pets-despite-the-cost

Although the implications are quite scary.

  Didn't you ever see "The Boys from Brazil"?  If not, go watch it.

  Even generically identical twins have different personalities. I seriously doubt that a clone of your pet, or your child or yourself, would have the same traits as the original. There are simply too many other factors that also influence who we or our pets turn out to be.

  I think that anyone that pays to have their pet cloned is going to be seriously disappointed.

   The issue that I wonder about, should cloning ever become truly viable, is what will the "rights" of a cloned extinct animal will be?  If we clone say, the Passenger Pigeon, will the clone be treated as a highly endangered animal and be given all sorts of rights such as THE exclusive use of large tracts of land?  What about a cloned T-Rex? What about the clone of someone from an extinct Indian tribe that once owned thousands or millions of acres of land? Will the clone suddenly own all of the land that the tribe once owned?  If so Californians (and many others) might be in trouble!

They will probably clone the woolly mammoth. But I dont think your argument that a cloned person or animal would somehow magically "inherit" anything in opposition to whomever had bought it first holds any water at all. For the first thing, animals or plants cannot own property, last I looked. They can however be owned or patented. Yes, their genetics can be patented. Also, corporations are favored in legal matters of all kinds, especially if they are foreign owned, because in the past countries used to pass laws that discriminated against foreign corporations and their investors, and i favor of the locals. They cant do that any more. Any act "tantamount to expropriation" Is forbidden by all sorts of treaties. An example is when Canada's province Ontario proposed setting up a single-payer,  no-fault auto insurance provider for residents, they were threatened by a demand for compensation by US auto insurance companies for (If they did this) "stealing their investment". Since Canada has signed NAFTA making any new law that adversely impacted their business was strictly forbidden. So Canada might be prevented from any cloning activities as far as woolly mammoths or lost Indian tribes or anything if it threatened business. Where would those woolly mammoths live? Its said that woolly mammoths, like Asian elephants, tended to uproot a lot of trees in order to create dams and habitat for their water activities. That might have a positive effect on climate and habitat for other animals, but its more likely that said intelligent formerly extinct pachyderms might be seen as interference with business activities, or potentially so.

[cdev]

Adolph Hitler may have in fact escaped the downfall of his Nazi regime in 1945 and gone on living in Paraguay, or Argentina, under the protection of US-supported right wing governments, finally dying in the 1970s. This is a true rabbit hole of hidden info and bizarre connections of people that one could waste endless time trying to follow. All very depressing and even horrifying.

I try to be discerning and avoid repeating hearsay, but it makes sense to me from what little I know of the life of the first husband of an actress friend of my father's. He was an Austrian fascist arms merchant and spent a great deal of time after their divorce in South America in the years after the war. . He actually introduced Juan Peron to Eva Peron. I know one of her children (the former wife, not "Evita", thank God). Fascists repulse me. 

Isn't it sad and horrible that Hitler like many Nazi scientists might have gotten off so easily, after what he did in WWII? There is a substantial amount of evidence to that effect. It may well be true, thats what I suspect. If so, he died of old age, in South America, not in the bunker in Berlin like the official story goes. It seems more and more possible as more info emerges.

This I guess will allow some people to get a second lifetime for favored pets. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/333922-more-people-are-cloning-their-pets-despite-the-cost

Although the implications are quite scary.

  Didn't you ever see "The Boys from Brazil"?  If not, go watch it.

  Even generically identical twins have different personalities. I seriously doubt that a clone of your pet, or your child or yourself, would have the same traits as the original. There are simply too many other factors that also influence who we or our pets turn out to be.

  I think that anyone that pays to have their pet cloned is going to be seriously disappointed.

The clones appear to be fairly frail and unhealthy] Just saying

   The issue that I wonder about, should cloning ever become truly viable, is what will the "rights" of a cloned extinct animal will be?  If we clone say, the Passenger Pigeon, will the clone be treated as a highly endangered animal and be given all sorts of rights such as THE exclusive use of large tracts of land?

No, for various reasons, there is no chance of that happening, I suspect. Thats like saying that some group of people have legal rights to "inherit" a country.

  What about a cloned T-Rex? What about the clone of someone from an extinct Indian tribe that once owned thousands or millions of acres of land? Will the clone suddenly own all of the land that the tribe once owned?  If so Californians (and many others) might be in trouble!
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California has a major housing crunch so anything that uses up land is unlikely to get much traction in Sacramento. IMHO.

That kind of suggestion when you see anything of that nature from politicians, is just an act. This is truly the age of fakeness in so many ways.

However the idea of bringing back the woolly mammoth is real, and its a good one, that may happen. See the second video below.  What do you think? I like it a lot. I like elephants and I would like to see the mammoth given a new shot at life. And I do think, kind of, that morally, we, the human species, having made them extinct, (we hunted them to extinction, entire human tribes having feasted on a single mammoth kill. Even building houses with mammoth bones.
So, do we owe them this, if we can engineer it? I think we kind of do. But the DNA wont be woolly mammoth DNA technically, it will be the DNA of another endangered species, the Asian elephant. Which is closely related to the mammoth.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/326964-startup-plans-to-resurrect-the-woolly-mammoth-this-decade

[tggzzz]

Adolph Hitler ...

Well, that didn't take long.

A useful corollory to Godwin's Law is "For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that, when a Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Generalization,_corollaries,_and_usage

Topic closed.

[cdev]

You misunderstood what I said. I actually knew Godwin at around that time. But thats completely unrelated. Also.